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If you want quiet look at Avalon 4.1 for example it comes quiet, no mods needed. I wish you would have asked on the S5 before buying, and also before selling.
The S5 run's hot and loud. That is just how it was made. There are some who modded it. I think most likely is you modding with much quieter fan's can do push/pull even. But you sold it... so would be a shame to buy another S5.
There are rumors of a new S7 that no one knows much about... so if you wait it is possible it's smaller but no one knows for sure. But chances are it will still be loud, even changing fan's out voids warranty though.
Great information! Can you tell me a little more about the Avalon 4.1? How much is it? Looks pretty cool! https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/Its very hard to get, i had a buying thread opened for months saying i'm interested in buying one and i never had anyone PM me about it, ever. Its more expensive than the S5, its a rare unit, not many were built and the price did not really drop. In term of value i'd put it around 1BTC shipped in term of ROI, a bit more expensive than a S5 but its actual sale value is definitively higher, probably close to 400USD or 1.5BTC~ Yuck! I would like to get back into the game any ideas? Maybe $200ish to spend? Yeah 2 Antminer S3+ , they are 453gh/s each so 2 would give you around 900gh/s and cost you probably 200$ while being quite while stock.
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October 27, 2015, 02:59:21 PM |
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If you want quiet look at Avalon 4.1 for example it comes quiet, no mods needed. I wish you would have asked on the S5 before buying, and also before selling.
The S5 run's hot and loud. That is just how it was made. There are some who modded it. I think most likely is you modding with much quieter fan's can do push/pull even. But you sold it... so would be a shame to buy another S5.
There are rumors of a new S7 that no one knows much about... so if you wait it is possible it's smaller but no one knows for sure. But chances are it will still be loud, even changing fan's out voids warranty though.
Great information! Can you tell me a little more about the Avalon 4.1? How much is it? Looks pretty cool! https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/Its very hard to get, i had a buying thread opened for months saying i'm interested in buying one and i never had anyone PM me about it, ever. Its more expensive than the S5, its a rare unit, not many were built and the price did not really drop. In term of value i'd put it around 1BTC shipped in term of ROI, a bit more expensive than a S5 but its actual sale value is definitively higher, probably close to 400USD or 1.5BTC~ Yuck! I would like to get back into the game any ideas? Maybe $200ish to spend? Yeah 2 Antminer S3+ , they are 453gh/s each so 2 would give you around 900gh/s and cost you probably 200$ while being quite while stock. But he has now also said he pays 0.08~0.10$/kWh. So even at 2% increment and the BTC being this high, he would not be able to ROI a S3 doing 455gh for 355watts for 100$ total.
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October 27, 2015, 03:14:57 PM |
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If you want quiet look at Avalon 4.1 for example it comes quiet, no mods needed. I wish you would have asked on the S5 before buying, and also before selling.
The S5 run's hot and loud. That is just how it was made. There are some who modded it. I think most likely is you modding with much quieter fan's can do push/pull even. But you sold it... so would be a shame to buy another S5.
There are rumors of a new S7 that no one knows much about... so if you wait it is possible it's smaller but no one knows for sure. But chances are it will still be loud, even changing fan's out voids warranty though.
Great information! Can you tell me a little more about the Avalon 4.1? How much is it? Looks pretty cool! https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/Its very hard to get, i had a buying thread opened for months saying i'm interested in buying one and i never had anyone PM me about it, ever. Its more expensive than the S5, its a rare unit, not many were built and the price did not really drop. In term of value i'd put it around 1BTC shipped in term of ROI, a bit more expensive than a S5 but its actual sale value is definitively higher, probably close to 400USD or 1.5BTC~ Yuck! I would like to get back into the game any ideas? Maybe $200ish to spend? Yeah 2 Antminer S3+ , they are 453gh/s each so 2 would give you around 900gh/s and cost you probably 200$ while being quite while stock. But he has now also said he pays 0.08~0.10$/kWh. So even at 2% increment and the BTC being this high, he would not be able to ROI a S3 doing 455gh for 355watts for 100$ total. He isn't going to be able to roi on anything with 200$ but if he wants to mine and keep noise low this is the only option I could think of, that and he could use it for heat and pray the BTC price rises faster than difficulty.
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October 27, 2015, 03:26:54 PM |
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If you want quiet look at Avalon 4.1 for example it comes quiet, no mods needed. I wish you would have asked on the S5 before buying, and also before selling.
The S5 run's hot and loud. That is just how it was made. There are some who modded it. I think most likely is you modding with much quieter fan's can do push/pull even. But you sold it... so would be a shame to buy another S5.
There are rumors of a new S7 that no one knows much about... so if you wait it is possible it's smaller but no one knows for sure. But chances are it will still be loud, even changing fan's out voids warranty though.
Great information! Can you tell me a little more about the Avalon 4.1? How much is it? Looks pretty cool! https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/Its very hard to get, i had a buying thread opened for months saying i'm interested in buying one and i never had anyone PM me about it, ever. Its more expensive than the S5, its a rare unit, not many were built and the price did not really drop. In term of value i'd put it around 1BTC shipped in term of ROI, a bit more expensive than a S5 but its actual sale value is definitively higher, probably close to 400USD or 1.5BTC~ Alavon 4.1 Will be valued at closer to the 400. The were expensive when they came out and the value has came with stayed with them. They are the most quiet stock miner there is. S5 is cheaper but runs hot and loud without mod. I wish you would have asked on here before selling it. As there were some good options left to try. Yeah 2 Antminer S3+ , they are 453gh/s each so 2 would give you around 900gh/s and cost you probably 200$ while being quite while stock.
On S3 or S3+ I would avoid at 10 cents currently. Unless he gets just a huge bargin. The S3's just are not near as efficient as they once was. Cheap and "free" electricity are market for S3's currently.
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October 27, 2015, 03:37:28 PM |
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If you want quiet look at Avalon 4.1 for example it comes quiet, no mods needed. I wish you would have asked on the S5 before buying, and also before selling.
The S5 run's hot and loud. That is just how it was made. There are some who modded it. I think most likely is you modding with much quieter fan's can do push/pull even. But you sold it... so would be a shame to buy another S5.
There are rumors of a new S7 that no one knows much about... so if you wait it is possible it's smaller but no one knows for sure. But chances are it will still be loud, even changing fan's out voids warranty though.
Great information! Can you tell me a little more about the Avalon 4.1? How much is it? Looks pretty cool! https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/Its very hard to get, i had a buying thread opened for months saying i'm interested in buying one and i never had anyone PM me about it, ever. Its more expensive than the S5, its a rare unit, not many were built and the price did not really drop. In term of value i'd put it around 1BTC shipped in term of ROI, a bit more expensive than a S5 but its actual sale value is definitively higher, probably close to 400USD or 1.5BTC~ Alavon 4.1 Will be valued at closer to the 400. The were expensive when they came out and the value has came with stayed with them. They are the most quiet stock miner there is. S5 is cheaper but runs hot and loud without mod. I wish you would have asked on here before selling it. As there were some good options left to try. Yeah 2 Antminer S3+ , they are 453gh/s each so 2 would give you around 900gh/s and cost you probably 200$ while being quite while stock.
On S3 or S3+ I would avoid at 10 cents currently. Unless he gets just a huge bargin. The S3's just are not near as efficient as they once was. Cheap and "free" electricity are market for S3's currently. There are two on the marketplace right now for 75$ a pop, definitely in his price range and could have a possible resale on them locally and use them as heaters during this very soon winter covering most of the power cost until spring.
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October 27, 2015, 03:44:01 PM Last edit: October 27, 2015, 03:59:28 PM by notlist3d |
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If you want quiet look at Avalon 4.1 for example it comes quiet, no mods needed. I wish you would have asked on the S5 before buying, and also before selling.
The S5 run's hot and loud. That is just how it was made. There are some who modded it. I think most likely is you modding with much quieter fan's can do push/pull even. But you sold it... so would be a shame to buy another S5.
There are rumors of a new S7 that no one knows much about... so if you wait it is possible it's smaller but no one knows for sure. But chances are it will still be loud, even changing fan's out voids warranty though.
Great information! Can you tell me a little more about the Avalon 4.1? How much is it? Looks pretty cool! https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/Its very hard to get, i had a buying thread opened for months saying i'm interested in buying one and i never had anyone PM me about it, ever. Its more expensive than the S5, its a rare unit, not many were built and the price did not really drop. In term of value i'd put it around 1BTC shipped in term of ROI, a bit more expensive than a S5 but its actual sale value is definitively higher, probably close to 400USD or 1.5BTC~ Alavon 4.1 Will be valued at closer to the 400. The were expensive when they came out and the value has came with stayed with them. They are the most quiet stock miner there is. S5 is cheaper but runs hot and loud without mod. I wish you would have asked on here before selling it. As there were some good options left to try. Yeah 2 Antminer S3+ , they are 453gh/s each so 2 would give you around 900gh/s and cost you probably 200$ while being quite while stock.
On S3 or S3+ I would avoid at 10 cents currently. Unless he gets just a huge bargin. The S3's just are not near as efficient as they once was. Cheap and "free" electricity are market for S3's currently. There are two on the marketplace right now for 75$ a pop, definitely in his price range and could have a possible resale on them locally and use them as heaters during this very soon winter covering most of the power cost until spring. The reason they are so cheap is the power it uses. Even at 10 cent's I get at current difficulty they are going to lose money even at 75 dollars each. I personally don't believe in losing money and running as a heater. I run ones that I bring over cost of electricity. But I know there are some that do. I just think makes more sense to get free heat and one you are not losing money to run. So at 10 cents yes you could use as space heater, but you lose money and price is just going to continue to dip. I would have him go for S5 (which sucks he sold) or better as far him running during winter even.
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October 27, 2015, 03:55:27 PM |
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If you want quiet look at Avalon 4.1 for example it comes quiet, no mods needed. I wish you would have asked on the S5 before buying, and also before selling.
The S5 run's hot and loud. That is just how it was made. There are some who modded it. I think most likely is you modding with much quieter fan's can do push/pull even. But you sold it... so would be a shame to buy another S5.
There are rumors of a new S7 that no one knows much about... so if you wait it is possible it's smaller but no one knows for sure. But chances are it will still be loud, even changing fan's out voids warranty though.
Great information! Can you tell me a little more about the Avalon 4.1? How much is it? Looks pretty cool! https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/Its very hard to get, i had a buying thread opened for months saying i'm interested in buying one and i never had anyone PM me about it, ever. Its more expensive than the S5, its a rare unit, not many were built and the price did not really drop. In term of value i'd put it around 1BTC shipped in term of ROI, a bit more expensive than a S5 but its actual sale value is definitively higher, probably close to 400USD or 1.5BTC~ Alavon 4.1 Will be valued at closer to the 400. The were expensive when they came out and the value has came with stayed with them. They are the most quiet stock miner there is. S5 is cheaper but runs hot and loud without mod. I wish you would have asked on here before selling it. As there were some good options left to try. Yeah 2 Antminer S3+ , they are 453gh/s each so 2 would give you around 900gh/s and cost you probably 200$ while being quite while stock.
On S3 or S3+ I would avoid at 10 cents currently. Unless he gets just a huge bargin. The S3's just are not near as efficient as they once was. Cheap and "free" electricity are market for S3's currently. There are two on the marketplace right now for 75$ a pop, definitely in his price range and could have a possible resale on them locally and use them as heaters during this very soon winter covering most of the power cost until spring. The reason they are so cheap is the power it uses. Even at 10 cent's I get at current difficulty they are going to lose money even at 75 dollars each. I personally don't believe in losing money and running as a heater. I run ones that I bring over cost of electricity. But I know there are some that do. I just think makes more sense to get free hit and one you are not losing money to run. So at 10 cents yes you could use as space heater, but you lose money and price is just going to continue to dip. I would have him go for S5 (which sucks he sold) or better as far him running during winter even. Definitely an S5 would be better, he would need to fan mod it but I was taking into account the 200$ price limit he was wanting to spend, there is no way to get a fully working S5 for that.
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October 27, 2015, 07:12:34 PM |
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If you want quiet look at Avalon 4.1 for example it comes quiet, no mods needed. I wish you would have asked on the S5 before buying, and also before selling.
The S5 run's hot and loud. That is just how it was made. There are some who modded it. I think most likely is you modding with much quieter fan's can do push/pull even. But you sold it... so would be a shame to buy another S5.
There are rumors of a new S7 that no one knows much about... so if you wait it is possible it's smaller but no one knows for sure. But chances are it will still be loud, even changing fan's out voids warranty though.
Great information! Can you tell me a little more about the Avalon 4.1? How much is it? Looks pretty cool! https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/Its very hard to get, i had a buying thread opened for months saying i'm interested in buying one and i never had anyone PM me about it, ever. Its more expensive than the S5, its a rare unit, not many were built and the price did not really drop. In term of value i'd put it around 1BTC shipped in term of ROI, a bit more expensive than a S5 but its actual sale value is definitively higher, probably close to 400USD or 1.5BTC~ Alavon 4.1 Will be valued at closer to the 400. The were expensive when they came out and the value has came with stayed with them. They are the most quiet stock miner there is. S5 is cheaper but runs hot and loud without mod. I wish you would have asked on here before selling it. As there were some good options left to try. Yeah 2 Antminer S3+ , they are 453gh/s each so 2 would give you around 900gh/s and cost you probably 200$ while being quite while stock.
On S3 or S3+ I would avoid at 10 cents currently. Unless he gets just a huge bargin. The S3's just are not near as efficient as they once was. Cheap and "free" electricity are market for S3's currently. There are two on the marketplace right now for 75$ a pop, definitely in his price range and could have a possible resale on them locally and use them as heaters during this very soon winter covering most of the power cost until spring. The reason they are so cheap is the power it uses. Even at 10 cent's I get at current difficulty they are going to lose money even at 75 dollars each. I personally don't believe in losing money and running as a heater. I run ones that I bring over cost of electricity. But I know there are some that do. I just think makes more sense to get free hit and one you are not losing money to run. So at 10 cents yes you could use as space heater, but you lose money and price is just going to continue to dip. I would have him go for S5 (which sucks he sold) or better as far him running during winter even. Definitely an S5 would be better, he would need to fan mod it but I was taking into account the 200$ price limit he was wanting to spend, there is no way to get a fully working S5 for that. I did get one for 200$ but i guess i would call it a Fluke, especially with the BTC price going up. But i did get half a S5 for 120$ or so and then a second blade for 100$, which result in a S5 for 220$. I guess half a S5 would be the best for op. 600~650GHs for 300~ Watts.
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October 27, 2015, 08:33:44 PM |
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If you want quiet look at Avalon 4.1 for example it comes quiet, no mods needed. I wish you would have asked on the S5 before buying, and also before selling.
The S5 run's hot and loud. That is just how it was made. There are some who modded it. I think most likely is you modding with much quieter fan's can do push/pull even. But you sold it... so would be a shame to buy another S5.
There are rumors of a new S7 that no one knows much about... so if you wait it is possible it's smaller but no one knows for sure. But chances are it will still be loud, even changing fan's out voids warranty though.
Great information! Can you tell me a little more about the Avalon 4.1? How much is it? Looks pretty cool! https://ehash.com/product/avalon4-module-1t/Its very hard to get, i had a buying thread opened for months saying i'm interested in buying one and i never had anyone PM me about it, ever. Its more expensive than the S5, its a rare unit, not many were built and the price did not really drop. In term of value i'd put it around 1BTC shipped in term of ROI, a bit more expensive than a S5 but its actual sale value is definitively higher, probably close to 400USD or 1.5BTC~ Alavon 4.1 Will be valued at closer to the 400. The were expensive when they came out and the value has came with stayed with them. They are the most quiet stock miner there is. S5 is cheaper but runs hot and loud without mod. I wish you would have asked on here before selling it. As there were some good options left to try. Yeah 2 Antminer S3+ , they are 453gh/s each so 2 would give you around 900gh/s and cost you probably 200$ while being quite while stock.
On S3 or S3+ I would avoid at 10 cents currently. Unless he gets just a huge bargin. The S3's just are not near as efficient as they once was. Cheap and "free" electricity are market for S3's currently. There are two on the marketplace right now for 75$ a pop, definitely in his price range and could have a possible resale on them locally and use them as heaters during this very soon winter covering most of the power cost until spring. The reason they are so cheap is the power it uses. Even at 10 cent's I get at current difficulty they are going to lose money even at 75 dollars each. I personally don't believe in losing money and running as a heater. I run ones that I bring over cost of electricity. But I know there are some that do. I just think makes more sense to get free hit and one you are not losing money to run. So at 10 cents yes you could use as space heater, but you lose money and price is just going to continue to dip. I would have him go for S5 (which sucks he sold) or better as far him running during winter even. Definitely an S5 would be better, he would need to fan mod it but I was taking into account the 200$ price limit he was wanting to spend, there is no way to get a fully working S5 for that. I did get one for 200$ but i guess i would call it a Fluke, especially with the BTC price going up. But i did get half a S5 for 120$ or so and then a second blade for 100$, which result in a S5 for 220$. I guess half a S5 would be the best for op. 600~650GHs for 300~ Watts. A half would be great but I don't know how easy it would be to find one for sale.
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October 28, 2015, 05:35:37 AM |
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Thanks for the feedback everyone! I want to get me something small they will make w little money and does not run hot and loud. Something I can run in my room or a extra room any ideas?
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October 28, 2015, 06:33:58 AM |
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Thanks for the feedback everyone! I want to get me something small they will make w little money and does not run hot and loud. Something I can run in my room or a extra room any ideas?
Avalon 4.1 is most quiet there is as far as recent miners. Nothing compares to it as far as stock miner not modded. It is more expensive though. You really need to look into modding. I have a feeling you might end up with a S5 again an do a mod this time.
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October 28, 2015, 06:51:31 AM |
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Thanks for the feedback everyone! I want to get me something small they will make w little money and does not run hot and loud. Something I can run in my room or a extra room any ideas?
Avalon 4.1 is most quiet there is as far as recent miners. Nothing compares to it as far as stock miner not modded. It is more expensive though. You really need to look into modding. I have a feeling you might end up with a S5 again an do a mod this time. Yup! it is quite irritating when you have a noisy rig sometimes the neighbor is confronting you about this so it is good that you had knowledge in modding your rig. but it is quite expensive so sometimes it is not a good idea.
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October 28, 2015, 07:52:18 AM |
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Thanks for the feedback everyone! I want to get me something small they will make w little money and does not run hot and loud. Something I can run in my room or a extra room any ideas?
i think you should simply try to change the fan, after all the noise come from there, when this is done you can use any miner you want i would go with the new s7(lite version) which is very efficient, and smaller than the big s7
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October 28, 2015, 01:56:46 PM |
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Thanks for the feedback everyone! I want to get me something small they will make w little money and does not run hot and loud. Something I can run in my room or a extra room any ideas?
i think you should simply try to change the fan, after all the noise come from there, when this is done you can use any miner you want i would go with the new s7(lite version) which is very efficient, and smaller than the big s7 The only thing is I predict it to run loud. Even if they do have a lite coming out and go to 2 blades . I don't see it being quiet. And now the warranty is so tough if you mod fan's on bitmain gear you lose warranty. So I'm not sure I would go with a new miner if he will be modding chances are. just a high dollar item to lose warranty on.
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October 28, 2015, 03:01:56 PM |
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Thanks for the feedback everyone! I want to get me something small they will make w little money and does not run hot and loud. Something I can run in my room or a extra room any ideas?
i think you should simply try to change the fan, after all the noise come from there, when this is done you can use any miner you want i would go with the new s7(lite version) which is very efficient, and smaller than the big s7 The only thing is I predict it to run loud. Even if they do have a lite coming out and go to 2 blades . I don't see it being quiet. And now the warranty is so tough if you mod fan's on bitmain gear you lose warranty. So I'm not sure I would go with a new miner if he will be modding chances are. just a high dollar item to lose warranty on. Just keep the fans, there is no way they would know and they won't security sticker the hell out of it due to big warehouses needing to replace fans all the time.
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October 28, 2015, 03:13:41 PM |
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Thanks for the feedback everyone! I want to get me something small they will make w little money and does not run hot and loud. Something I can run in my room or a extra room any ideas?
i think you should simply try to change the fan, after all the noise come from there, when this is done you can use any miner you want i would go with the new s7(lite version) which is very efficient, and smaller than the big s7 The only thing is I predict it to run loud. Even if they do have a lite coming out and go to 2 blades . I don't see it being quiet. And now the warranty is so tough if you mod fan's on bitmain gear you lose warranty. So I'm not sure I would go with a new miner if he will be modding chances are. just a high dollar item to lose warranty on. Just keep the fans, there is no way they would know and they won't security sticker the hell out of it due to big warehouses needing to replace fans all the time. The thing is if they catch you on a miner that has warranty and you removed any security sticker, or changed out fan. They have tightened warranty up A LOT. You have to ask bitmain to do pretty much anything at this point. I would not trade out fan's till 90 day's warranty is over. It's just not worth it.
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October 28, 2015, 03:21:20 PM |
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Thanks for the feedback everyone! I want to get me something small they will make w little money and does not run hot and loud. Something I can run in my room or a extra room any ideas?
i think you should simply try to change the fan, after all the noise come from there, when this is done you can use any miner you want i would go with the new s7(lite version) which is very efficient, and smaller than the big s7 The only thing is I predict it to run loud. Even if they do have a lite coming out and go to 2 blades . I don't see it being quiet. And now the warranty is so tough if you mod fan's on bitmain gear you lose warranty. So I'm not sure I would go with a new miner if he will be modding chances are. just a high dollar item to lose warranty on. Just keep the fans, there is no way they would know and they won't security sticker the hell out of it due to big warehouses needing to replace fans all the time. The thing is if they catch you on a miner that has warranty and you removed any security sticker, or changed out fan. They have tightened warranty up A LOT. You have to ask bitmain to do pretty much anything at this point. I would not trade out fan's till 90 day's warranty is over. It's just not worth it. Does the S7 come with the S5's Fan control? If it has it, the step up to a S7 might be doable. Of course it won't be in OP's 200$ Budget but beside a half S5 modded i don't see what would be quiet AND efficient. If it possible to run the S7 Lite cool and quiet during the winter, i might make the jump up from buying and recommending used S5's.
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rockyforever
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October 28, 2015, 03:36:21 PM |
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matt,
from your username you are the same individual who bought an S5 off ebay from me and cancelled after the auction ended prompting me to have to repost the item (luckily I got a higher price...so no worries).
You flooded my ebay message box with all sorts of questions pertaining to the S5 and even stating "you would not pay unless these questions were answered" ..... where upon I answered them and yet you continued to repeat the same questions. After 3 days of this I ignored your ebay messages and than you cancelled your order. I am assuming you bought from somewhere else since you said you bought an S5 and now resold because of the noise.
I am reading this thread and you are asking the same questions without doing ANY research at all hoping for someone to do the work for you. It has been stated many times over how loud the S5 is if you scroll through posts or google.
I would advise other members to stop answering his questions because you are just enabling him to find nothing himself.
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XERES
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October 28, 2015, 03:42:42 PM |
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Zeus fury as well as the upgrades of the models, i have 3 running in my study and its barely audible, sounds like an air conditioner
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notlist3d
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October 28, 2015, 03:44:06 PM |
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matt,
from your username you are the same individual who bought an S5 off ebay from me and cancelled after the auction ended prompting me to have to repost the item (luckily I got a higher price...so no worries).
You flooded my ebay message box with all sorts of questions pertaining to the S5 and even stating "you would not pay unless these questions were answered" ..... where upon I answered them and yet you continued to repeat the same questions. After 3 days of this I ignored your ebay messages and than you cancelled your order. I am assuming you bought from somewhere else since you said you bought an S5 and now resold because of the noise.
I am reading this thread and you are asking the same questions without doing ANY research at all hoping for someone to do the work for you. It has been stated many times over how loud the S5 is if you scroll through posts or google.
I would advise other members to stop answering his questions because you are just enabling him to find nothing himself.
If true that would be a pretty crappy thing to do. Always do research before buying, and ROI math. That is one bad thing about ebay is some miners I sold I did "free" tech support I did not plan on. One or two I tought new miners how to mine... its kinda a pain but normally I got better prices off ebay compared to board here. So it's kinda part of the expected things is everyone in a while someone buys a miner and does not know about mining. Never had one tell me they had question before they would pay. That is a new one.
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