End the negative appearance of Bitcoin and BitcoinTalk.

[mdgreasyjohn]

This thread is so dumb. Bitcoin's success does not depend on this forum. It depends on mass adaptation. Over time there will be many Bitcoin forums and sites just as big as this one today.

If you think it's dumb, it doesn't make sense to bump the thread and give it more exposure.

What's dumb to you and what's dumb to me are just not in sync. It just indicates that we are two separate individuals with two separate mindsets. That doesn't mean either one of us are dumb.

there are no dollartalk.com or yentalk.com . when btc is generally used there will  no need for a bitcointalk.com but i the mean time it promotes the product.  p.s.    i do think we can be more civil here

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[Television]

Bitcointalk is the old standby for Bitcoin discussion, which for many things usually leads to negativity from the amount of users that participate. It's hard to avoid but the entire community shouldn't be criticized for specific subsets of the user-base.

[achow101]

Regarding the scan accusation section, I think that section is very important. The trust page is not for discussion, you cannot discuss with other people why you think someone is a scammer and whether others think that the lettering deserves trust. The scan accusations section allows people to do that. Accusers and post their proof, and the accused can defend themselves. The section is like the court, where people determine whether someone is a scammer and the trust given is then the punishments.

[codishmumu]

This thread is so dumb. Bitcoin's success does not depend on this forum. It depends on mass adaptation. Over time there will be many Bitcoin forums and sites just as big as this one today.

If you think it's dumb, it doesn't make sense to bump the thread and give it more exposure.

What's dumb to you and what's dumb to me are just not in sync. It just indicates that we are two separate individuals with two separate mindsets. That doesn't mean either one of us are dumb.

there are no dollartalk.com or yentalk.com . when btc is generally used there will  no need for a bitcointalk.com but i the mean time it promotes the product.  p.s.    i do think we can be more civil here

Thank you sweetie-pie. Many love and hugs to you. <3

[codishmumu]

Bitcointalk is the old standby for Bitcoin discussion, which for many things usually leads to negativity from the amount of users that participate. It's hard to avoid but the entire community shouldn't be criticized for specific subsets of the user-base.

It isn't completely hard to avoid. "Just play nice and love one another if you want love back". Why is that difficult? :c

[OROBTC]

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I have always preferred civilized forums, bitcointalk is actually rather good, certainly vs. Zero Hedge's "Fight Club".  ZH has many anti-Semites and Putin bootlickers that just make it hard to enjoy some threads (Middle East and Russia).

I do much prefer bitcointalk to Reddit, I could never work up the enthusiasm to join.

[codishmumu]

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I have always preferred civilized forums, bitcointalk is actually rather good, certainly vs. Zero Hedge's "Fight Club".  ZH has many anti-Semites and Putin bootlickers that just make it hard to enjoy some threads (Middle East and Russia).

I do much prefer bitcointalk to Reddit, I could never work up the enthusiasm to join.

Mhmm. Well you have never experienced the BitcoinTalk that I have.

:c

Give feedback to my charm please.

[Kakmakr]

No matter what anybody else says, this forum is still the best source for quick answers to many of your questions. It has a huge user base and you get lots of different answers to the same question. There are some people who broke away from this forum, to join the XT crowd, but they keep coming back for more to this forum.

Politics and power struggles is part of this scenario and you find it in any group, so it is no different here. 

[OROBTC]

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I have always preferred civilized forums, bitcointalk is actually rather good, certainly vs. Zero Hedge's "Fight Club".  ZH has many anti-Semites and Putin bootlickers that just make it hard to enjoy some threads (Middle East and Russia).

I do much prefer bitcointalk to Reddit, I could never work up the enthusiasm to join.

Mhmm. Well you have never experienced the BitcoinTalk that I have.

:c

Give feedback to my charm please.

Well, then one suggestion I would have for you is never, ever, ever go to Zero Hedge.  Especially the Israel/Middle East threads or anything to do with China vs. the USA or Russia vs. the USA.  They have nasty trolls there...

But, I agree with the thought behind your thread here.  Decent discussion is much better.

bitcointalk.org, please accept my best wishes, and participants please write good things rather than bad.  Cosmic Law and all that.

[codishmumu]

Regarding the scan accusation section, I think that section is very important. The trust page is not for discussion, you cannot discuss with other people why you think someone is a scammer and whether others think that the lettering deserves trust. The scan accusations section allows people to do that. Accusers and post their proof, and the accused can defend themselves. The section is like the court, where people determine whether someone is a scammer and the trust given is then the punishments.

No, it really is not.

What is stopping someone from doing a discussion on somebody privately? Making a standing ovation is unnecessary. That forum is being abused, and turned into an outlet for unneeded harassment.

Some people are wrongly judged. We don't have to discuss other people. If you want to know if somebody is worth your time, talk to them personally. Don't talk about them behind their back. I had no idea that thread about me existed until perhaps 3 days later I was messaged about it. I never really thought anything of it at the time, but then I finally had an opportunity to sit and read the comments, and none of them make sense, or are even accurate.

If people want proof about who I am, they need to talk to me personally. Not make threads about me. I never intentionally attacked Mitchell on his age. I never threatened other users. I'm not lying about who I am.


 Lies, lies, lies, and more lies.

[codishmumu]

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I have always preferred civilized forums, bitcointalk is actually rather good, certainly vs. Zero Hedge's "Fight Club".  ZH has many anti-Semites and Putin bootlickers that just make it hard to enjoy some threads (Middle East and Russia).

I do much prefer bitcointalk to Reddit, I could never work up the enthusiasm to join.

Mhmm. Well you have never experienced the BitcoinTalk that I have.

:c

Give feedback to my charm please.

Well, then one suggestion I would have for you is never, ever, ever go to Zero Hedge.  Especially the Israel/Middle East threads or anything to do with China vs. the USA or Russia vs. the USA.  They have nasty trolls there...

But, I agree with the thought behind your thread here.  Decent discussion is much better.

bitcointalk.org, please accept my best wishes, and participants please write good things rather than bad.  Cosmic Law and all that.

Well now that you said don't go, I have to go now. I like challenges, and changing situations for the better.

[dothebeats]

No matter what anybody else says, this forum is still the best source for quick answers to many of your questions. It has a huge user base and you get lots of different answers to the same question. There are some people who broke away from this forum, to join the XT crowd, but they keep coming back for more to this forum.

Politics and power struggles is part of this scenario and you find it in any group, so it is no different here. 

Yes this still sums it. Even though there are plenty of trolling and other nonsense happening in this forum, still you cannot deny the fact that you can still get some tidbits of information in here when you need it. Also. the place is much active other than any hub that talks about bitcoin, so you'll get a response quicker here than in any other place as well.

[codishmumu]

No matter what anybody else says, this forum is still the best source for quick answers to many of your questions. It has a huge user base and you get lots of different answers to the same question. There are some people who broke away from this forum, to join the XT crowd, but they keep coming back for more to this forum.

Politics and power struggles is part of this scenario and you find it in any group, so it is no different here. 

Yes this still sums it. Even though there are plenty of trolling and other nonsense happening in this forum, still you cannot deny the fact that you can still get some tidbits of information in here when you need it. Also. the place is much active other than any hub that talks about bitcoin, so you'll get a response quicker here than in any other place as well.

That's not the point of my thread.

[dothebeats]

No matter what anybody else says, this forum is still the best source for quick answers to many of your questions. It has a huge user base and you get lots of different answers to the same question. There are some people who broke away from this forum, to join the XT crowd, but they keep coming back for more to this forum.

Politics and power struggles is part of this scenario and you find it in any group, so it is no different here. 

Yes this still sums it. Even though there are plenty of trolling and other nonsense happening in this forum, still you cannot deny the fact that you can still get some tidbits of information in here when you need it. Also. the place is much active other than any hub that talks about bitcoin, so you'll get a response quicker here than in any other place as well.

That's not the point of my thread.

I see it as a positive thing as a person who spends most of his time in the forums. I don't see much negativity besides some trolling and some scams.

[codishmumu]

No matter what anybody else says, this forum is still the best source for quick answers to many of your questions. It has a huge user base and you get lots of different answers to the same question. There are some people who broke away from this forum, to join the XT crowd, but they keep coming back for more to this forum.

Politics and power struggles is part of this scenario and you find it in any group, so it is no different here. 

Yes this still sums it. Even though there are plenty of trolling and other nonsense happening in this forum, still you cannot deny the fact that you can still get some tidbits of information in here when you need it. Also. the place is much active other than any hub that talks about bitcoin, so you'll get a response quicker here than in any other place as well.

That's not the point of my thread.

I see it as a positive thing as a person who spends most of his time in the forums. I don't see much negativity besides some trolling and some scams.

Maybe because you don't do much.

I'm not trying to offend you with that comment by the way.

[OROBTC]

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I have always preferred civilized forums, bitcointalk is actually rather good, certainly vs. Zero Hedge's "Fight Club".  ZH has many anti-Semites and Putin bootlickers that just make it hard to enjoy some threads (Middle East and Russia).

I do much prefer bitcointalk to Reddit, I could never work up the enthusiasm to join.

Mhmm. Well you have never experienced the BitcoinTalk that I have.

:c

Give feedback to my charm please.

Well, then one suggestion I would have for you is never, ever, ever go to Zero Hedge.  Especially the Israel/Middle East threads or anything to do with China vs. the USA or Russia vs. the USA.  They have nasty trolls there...

But, I agree with the thought behind your thread here.  Decent discussion is much better.

bitcointalk.org, please accept my best wishes, and participants please write good things rather than bad.  Cosmic Law and all that.

Well now that you said don't go, I have to go now. I like challenges, and changing situations for the better.

zerohedge.com, bitchez!  <--- If that does not offend you, then you may be OK.  

If you venture into the Middle East threads, here are some suggestions:

1)  arm-up, bring along your AK or AR with at least 1000 rounds of ammo (and 10 clips), also you sidearm with at least 100 rounds
2)  helmet and body-armor
3)  attitude that you will hit more than be hit...  Go tough..., or go home.

There is NO WAY anyone (or even any group) is going to clean-up ZH.  The participants don't want it.  ZH's philosophy more-or-less follows the movie "The Fight Club".

For all its incivility, ZH is perhaps the best source of finance-related news outside the MainStream Media.


EDIT: The majority of ZH members do not like Bitcoin.....

[dothebeats]

No matter what anybody else says, this forum is still the best source for quick answers to many of your questions. It has a huge user base and you get lots of different answers to the same question. There are some people who broke away from this forum, to join the XT crowd, but they keep coming back for more to this forum.

Politics and power struggles is part of this scenario and you find it in any group, so it is no different here. 

Yes this still sums it. Even though there are plenty of trolling and other nonsense happening in this forum, still you cannot deny the fact that you can still get some tidbits of information in here when you need it. Also. the place is much active other than any hub that talks about bitcoin, so you'll get a response quicker here than in any other place as well.

That's not the point of my thread.

I see it as a positive thing as a person who spends most of his time in the forums. I don't see much negativity besides some trolling and some scams.

Maybe because you don't do much.

I'm not trying to offend you with that comment by the way.

Haha it's all cool for me, don't worry. You're just trying to point me on the sense of this thread, and that's not offensive at all, and that is another positive thing on this forum btw.

[codishmumu]

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I have always preferred civilized forums, bitcointalk is actually rather good, certainly vs. Zero Hedge's "Fight Club".  ZH has many anti-Semites and Putin bootlickers that just make it hard to enjoy some threads (Middle East and Russia).

I do much prefer bitcointalk to Reddit, I could never work up the enthusiasm to join.

Mhmm. Well you have never experienced the BitcoinTalk that I have.

:c

Give feedback to my charm please.

Well, then one suggestion I would have for you is never, ever, ever go to Zero Hedge.  Especially the Israel/Middle East threads or anything to do with China vs. the USA or Russia vs. the USA.  They have nasty trolls there...

But, I agree with the thought behind your thread here.  Decent discussion is much better.

bitcointalk.org, please accept my best wishes, and participants please write good things rather than bad.  Cosmic Law and all that.

Well now that you said don't go, I have to go now. I like challenges, and changing situations for the better.

zerohedge.com, bitchez!  <--- If that does not offend you, then you may be OK.  

If you venture into the Middle East threads, here are some suggestions:

1)  arm-up, bring along your AK or AR with at least 1000 rounds of ammo (and 10 clips), also you sidearm with at least 100 rounds
2)  helmet and body-armor
3)  attitude that you will hit more than be hit...  Go tough..., or go home.

There is NO WAY anyone (or even any group) is going to clean-up ZH.  The participants don't want it.  ZH's philosophy more-or-less follows the movie "The Fight Club".

It's okay! I'm sure I can change them!



Edit: Omfg that was WAY too happy of a response.

[disclaimer201]

Sorry, I disagree. I love Bitcointalk as is. I cannot follow when you talk about it making a particularly negative appearance. It must be a very subjective impression. There are some trolls, some scammers  but you can easily ignore them/don't have to do business with them. Done.

[achow101]

Regarding the scan accusation section, I think that section is very important. The trust page is not for discussion, you cannot discuss with other people why you think someone is a scammer and whether others think that the lettering deserves trust. The scan accusations section allows people to do that. Accusers and post their proof, and the accused can defend themselves. The section is like the court, where people determine whether someone is a scammer and the trust given is then the punishments.

No, it really is not.

What is stopping someone from doing a discussion on somebody privately? Making a standing ovation is unnecessary. That forum is being abused, and turned into an outlet for unneeded harassment.

Some people are wrongly judged. We don't have to discuss other people. If you want to know if somebody is worth your time, talk to them personally. Don't talk about them behind their back. I had no idea that thread about me existed until perhaps 3 days later I was messaged about it. I never really thought anything of it at the time, but then I finally had an opportunity to sit and read the comments, and none of them make sense, or are even accurate.

If people want proof about who I am, they need to talk to me personally. Not make threads about me. I never intentionally attacked Mitchell on his age. I never threatened other users. I'm not lying about who I am.


 Lies, lies, lies, and more lies.

Why should it be done privately? If one person thinks you are a scammer, then multiple people might, so you would have to prove yourself over and over again to people who think you are scamming. Secondly, having it public allows other public opinions to weigh in. Trusted members and people who have been here for a while can weigh in and give their opinions. Furthermore, if someone really is a scammer, then they need negative trust. Having a public discussion about someone scamming ensures that people on Default Trust will see the discussion and neg the person, instead of just one guy giving negative feedback which no one else sees or trusts. If you suggest that they can just pm DT members with the proof that you scammed, that proof can be manipulated, quotes that you say or that the accuser says can be changed. Having it public makes it so that it is more difficult to change what was previously said because people have seen it and may have quoted it. The edit times also indicate whether a post has been modified and for big scammers, theymos or badbear can even revert the posts so that people can see what has actually been said.

As for discussing people behind their backs, it isn't. The scam accusations are completely public. If you are active in the marketplace selling things, you should keep an eye on the scam accusations section just to make sure that no one opens an accusation against you. I also think it is common courtesy to give the person warning and inform them that you have opened an accusation against them. Send a few PMs several days before and inform them that they have X days to complete the deal or you will open a scam accusation. Then when you do open one, you send them the link to the accusation thread so that they can also give their side of the story.