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[CHRISBIN702]

I am 100% in agreement with BAC here.

Serial scammer Dean Nolan stolen over $400,000 worth of Bitcoin investor bankroll and blamed it on an imaginary hack. Then closed down the failing betking website. On that basis alone Bitsler should not be associating itself with betking regardless of who will benefit in the end. Add to that all the other issues such as the millions of USD$ that serial scammer Dean Nolan stole from the ICO and post-ICO still has not been located.

Sadly a very bad move by Bitsler by associating with betking in any way shape or form.

You clearly just want to attack Dean (probably deserved) without caring for the people who actually lost money to the hack (real or not). Regardless of what actually happened, the most important part should be trying to get those who were scammed to be made whole. I can't believe that you're advocating for Bitsler to not refund legitimate players that happened to lose money because of Dean.

I basically just typed out this same response. Good thing I read through before I hit send. I can't say anything about Dean or his character because I only know what I've read here at Bitcointalk and of course from his departure from the CGF. However, I can say with 100% confidence that if Baryom is now involved in any way shape or form, then the community should be thankful for his interest in this situation. I love the fact that instead of dropping $20k on some AdWords campaign of which Google absorbs the lump sum in its entirety, Baryom has found a way to promote Bitsler and keep the entire budget circulating throughout the crypto community. Many refunded players will withdraw and take their ≤$200 to another casino but they will now have an account at Bitsler and one way or another those coins will pass through a Bitsler wallet again.
Respect level, unmeasurable. Keep it crypto.


post post addendum: I don't know of any scammers that have stuck around 1+ years after the alleged scam trying to make things right. Personally, I hate the "s" word and the semantic shift it's suffered here in this forum.
Dear crypto community,
   Negligence is not the same as a scam or fraud. Let's use our big boy words correctly, please.

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[BayAreaCoins]

Which you and Jollygood etc have went out of your way for years to try and make impossible.

You are a scammer.  Don't blame other people for your bullshit.  We didn't make you steal from people or screw people over time and time again or run dishonest promotions.

I've met very few "bad" people in my life (less than ten and I've been around some pretty nasty people), but you are certainly one of the bad ones.

Please Bay tell us why you are attacking one scammer and helping other one?
We all remember how you help scammer kyle with his scammy buisness.

Helped KYLE?  I don't remember helping KYLE... I've given him some coins for drawing pictures and I encourage him to pay people back.

Dear crypto community,
   Negligence is not the same as a scam or fraud. Let's use our big boy words correctly, please.

I can 100% assure that I am using the word correctly.  S-c-a-m.

Dean isn't negligent, he's a flat out a scammer.

Dean stole millions and now is "trying to make it right" by giving $200 back... lol.  It's unbelievable frankly.

Anyways, I've said my piece and I've spoken privately to my contact at Bitler (Baryom).  He's a good guy.

I hope they ditch Dean because the thought of him making a penny off my efforts makes me sick.

[RHavar]

Dean stole millions and now is "trying to make it right" by giving $200 back... lol.  It's unbelievable frankly.

Well, the funny thing is he isn't even doing that -- it's bitsler who is, to try get some positive PR and potentially players.  Which on the whole, is a pretty good thing -- a lot of innocent victims are going to get a couple hundred bucks. That's clearly good.


Although, it's also pretty obvious why Dean is doing this. It's a cost-free way for him to try cover the fact he blatant scammed hundreds of people. And now try legitimize his obviously fabricated "sorry, I did nothing wrong. Someone knew the server seeds, and somehow won more than the bankroll, so I had to also take players funds after I had just a couple months earlier scammed investors").


I feel it would have been a lot more fair to allocate the recompensation funds by the amount scammed (e.g. bitsler pays back 1% of scammed to everyone), rather than cap it (as it's just structured now as a cheap way to lower the amount of scam victims, without paying the big dollars).


That said, I'm pretty happy to see a bunch of people (and probably Dean on a bunch of alt accounts, lol) are getting some of their money back. 

[BayAreaCoins]

Dean stole millions and now is "trying to make it right" by giving $200 back... lol.  It's unbelievable frankly.

Well, the funny thing is he isn't even doing that -- it's bitsler who is

That said, I'm pretty happy to see a bunch of people (and probably Dean on a bunch of alt accounts, lol) are getting some of their money back.  

[RHavar]

post post addendum: I don't know of any scammers that have stuck around 1+ years after the alleged scam trying to make things right. Personally, I hate the "s" word and the semantic shift it's suffered here in this forum.
Dear crypto community,
   Negligence is not the same as a scam or fraud. Let's use our big boy words correctly, please.

^ I actually think this highlights the danger of bitsler associating with Dean, it legitimizes him for people who don't know the full story.

@CHRISBIN702 If you want the tldr version; A few months before he closed betking he already had just blatantly scammed investors. He offered a token which was "pegged" to USD price, which he sold for bitcoin. So he made a killing when bitcoin price went up, and was quite aggressive in promoting. But after bitcoin price took a crash, the second bitcoin price went under the nominal value of the tokens, he just unilaterally decided that he'd rather keep peoples money than take any loses whats so ever, and wasn't going to honor the deal at all (which of course made the tokens virtually worthless).

He tried for a few months to keep his site running, but had pretty much zero volume as he couldn't escape his reputation after having just so blatantly scammed people. So instead of just shutting down like a decent human being, suddenly "whoops" oh no, someone knew the server seed. They won the entire bankroll + all players funds! Sorry everyone!!! Site is gone and all money too!


Now the only reason he's back, is because he attached his real name to the project. And even with millions of dollars, being known as a scammer kinda sucks.

[Brandon]

Which you and Jollygood etc have went out of your way for years to try and make impossible.

You are a scammer.  Don't blame other people for your bullshit.  We didn't make you steal from people or screw people over time and time again or run dishonest promotions.

I've met very few "bad" people in my life (less than ten and I've been around some pretty nasty people), but you are certainly one of the bad ones.

Please Bay tell us why you are attacking one scammer and helping other one?
We all remember how you help scammer kyle with his scammy buisness.

Helped KYLE?  I don't remember helping KYLE... I've given him some coins for drawing pictures and I encourage him to pay people back.

Dear crypto community,
   Negligence is not the same as a scam or fraud. Let's use our big boy words correctly, please.

I can 100% assure that I am using the word correctly.  S-c-a-m.

Dean isn't negligent, he's a flat out a scammer.

Dean stole millions and now is "trying to make it right" by giving $200 back... lol.  It's unbelievable frankly.

Anyways, I've said my piece and I've spoken privately to my contact at Bitler (Baryom).  He's a good guy.

I hope they ditch Dean because the thought of him making a penny off my efforts makes me sick.

Maybe you have bad memory but not me I remember how you attack people and give them red trust only becouse they want get back money from KLYE.
I remember how you defend him and tell that he will pay money. DID HE PAY IT ? ANSWER IS NO.
And when we start topic about your friend scammer you are always joking, and why you are so seriously when you are talking about other scammers?
Someone is big hypocrite
Come on make fun and start joking that your friend scam a lot of people.

[RHavar]

On a side note, I noticed that bitsler added "blast" which is using the bustabit code (for posterity) but was unable to find a link to the modified source code (like the AGPLv3 would require) and didn't see it using a paid license (like would be specified in https://bustabit.com/license.txt ). What's the backstory there?


Edit: I'm wrong, bitsler did buy a license years ago

[BayAreaCoins]

1. Maybe you have bad memory but not me I remember how you attack people and give them red trust only becouse they want get back money from KLYE.
2. I remember how you defend him and tell that he will pay money. DID HE PAY IT ? ANSWER IS NO.

1.  That isn't true.  I wouldn't do that.  In fact, I just encourage KLYE to keep on going and not kill himself before he pays everyone in full.

2.  That isn't true either.  As I understand... Everyone that wanted to be paid back with no interest has been paid back by KLYE.  His investors now are there by choice and will be earning interest.  KLYE is still working and active in the crypto scene... he was involved with all the STEEMIT stuff lately.

Anyways this is offtopic.  I won't be responding further.

Nice account btw. 2010 noob account rofl... glad you spent those millions on nice things!  That thing is rare af!! ID #146!

[Brandon]

1. Maybe you have bad memory but not me I remember how you attack people and give them red trust only becouse they want get back money from KLYE.
2. I remember how you defend him and tell that he will pay money. DID HE PAY IT ? ANSWER IS NO.

1.  That isn't true.  I wouldn't do that.  In fact, I just encourage KLYE to keep on going and not kill himself before he pays everyone in full.

2.  That isn't true either.  As I understand... Everyone that wanted to be paid back with no interest has been paid back by KLYE.  His investors now are there by choice and will be earning interest.  KLYE is still working and active in the crypto scene... he was involved with all the STEEMIT stuff lately.

Anyways this is offtopic.  I won't be responding further.

Nice account btw. 2010 noob account rofl... glad you spent those millions on nice things!  That thing is rare af!! ID #146!

Ok so now we both know that you are lying.
If Dean say that he will kill himself you will help him ?
We both know the answer, you are big hypocrite and now everyone can see it
BTW: you must be real weak person if some dirty scammer from canada is playing with you like with doll xDDD
"Omg help me i scammed so many people, i will kill myself, send me money now !"

[JollyGood]

Sorry but you are mistaken DarkStar_ the motive behind the post in this thread and all the other posts in all the other threads is because I was the loudest voice of a handful of voices that were advocating extreme caution from the days of the ICO yet sadly many his signature campaign participants drowned out those concerns with walls of text.

My post (which you replied to) was not designed to clearly attack serial scammer Dean Nolan. On the contrary if I wanted to attack him there were plenty of ways to do it and plenty of posts I have made about him in the past have clearly beyond any doubt unequivocally attacked him because of he is a scammer and a thief - not for any other reason.

When you say regardless of what actually happened the most important part should be trying to get those were scammed to be made whole again, that part I agree with in principle. Where we disagree is that the one who scammed investors and legitimate winners of wagers and scammed ICO investors and scammed BKB token holders and scammed BKT token holders and scammed the bankroll investors in October 2019 out of the final $400,000 worth of bitcoin by blaming it on an imaginary hack was serial scammer Dean Nolan. In his private Telegram for investors he even had the nerve to ask for more investment when he initially promised he would not. He threatened to close the group down and go back to a 9-5 job too saying was living a hand to mouth existence BUT where are the USD$ millions he stole?

How on earth could the proprietors of a business such as Bitsler be negotiating any sort of deal with the scammer that caused all the damage? It is beyond preposterous. When trying to say a third party such as Bitsler will pay $18,000 towards 250 ex-betking (or alleged ex-betking) players, it allows for just 250 new sign-ups for Bitsler at a cost of $18,000 as well as other caveats who will probably end up betting more than the free $250 over the course of a few months there Bitsler will be getting their $18,000 within no time.

If Bitsler really were interested about those that were victims of betking in a wider-ranging manner of helping, they could have completely disassociated with the person central to the betking scam which sadly cost many people a lot of money.

I am 100% in agreement with BAC here.

Serial scammer Dean Nolan stolen over $400,000 worth of Bitcoin investor bankroll and blamed it on an imaginary hack. Then closed down the failing betking website. On that basis alone Bitsler should not be associating itself with betking regardless of who will benefit in the end. Add to that all the other issues such as the millions of USD$ that serial scammer Dean Nolan stole from the ICO and post-ICO still has not been located.

Sadly a very bad move by Bitsler by associating with betking in any way shape or form.

You clearly just want to attack Dean (probably deserved) without caring for the people who actually lost money to the hack (real or not). Regardless of what actually happened, the most important part should be trying to get those who were scammed to be made whole. I can't believe that you're advocating for Bitsler to not refund legitimate players that happened to lose money because of Dean.

[NeuroticFish]

If Bitsler really were interested about those that were victims of betking in a wider-ranging manner of helping, they could have completely disassociated with the person central to the betking scam which sadly cost many people a lot of money.

I think that Bitsler made a well calculated step. They may gain some gamblers, also quite some of that redeemed money will get gambled away at Bitsler... and their name is spoken even more, which is advertising.
I don't think that such big percent of the gamblers have the same strong feelings about Betking (especially now as they get their money back) so it's more a plus than a minus for Bitsler.
(Of course, it's my opinion and I'm only human, so I may be wrong.)

[slaman29]

I agree with Chrisbin that we should judge people so quickly when they are still sticking around trying to make things right. BUT at the same time I have heard from 2 users on this forum (not me thankfully) about BK because I asked them about it when I wanted to join.

I saw the communication and I think BK should have been upfront with them, but instead BK made promises and then stopped replying on money owed. These guys were so understanding, which is why they are good forum users, and it is up to them to forgive but I think we need to remember what has happened and not allow it to take place again.

[chazley]

My only question here is did Bitsler verify what Dean said happened actually happened? Otherwise, Dean is either taking advantage of the Bitsler owner's goodwill to repay Betking users and cover his ass if he exit scammed or Bitsler sees this as an strictly a business opportunity (emails lists in particular come to mind). I'd be shocked if the liability for all accounts with $200 or less on Betking is more than $10k total.

If they did verify Dean's version of what happened and did this as an of goodwill like they're framing it, kudos to Dean and Bitsler for making good of the situation.

[JollyGood]

Where does the $400,000 worth of Bitcoin that he stole in October 2019 which resulted in closing down the betking website (by blaming it on a hack that never took place) fit in with all this goodwill? How can there be any decent way of having goodwill towards somebody who stole from investors and users even if the end result would allegedly benefit victims?

If there was a burglar who stole $400,000 worth of goods from let us say 50 houses in burglaries, who in their right mind would enter negotiations with that burglar even if the end aim was to help victims? How can it be ascertained the burglar is a reformed character? The burglar did not even apologise for any of the thefts, ever.

Bitsler have obviously found a way to dangle a carrot to ex-betking users by giving them $200 worth of Bitsler credit which they can use to play for free on their website, in the hope those users will contiue to play after the $200 credit is used up. They should never ever have associated themselves with this serial scammer called Dean Nolan.

My only question here is did Bitsler verify what Dean said happened actually happened? Otherwise, Dean is either taking advantage of the Bitsler owner's goodwill to repay Betking users and cover his ass if he exit scammed or Bitsler sees this as an strictly a business opportunity (emails lists in particular come to mind). I'd be shocked if the liability for all accounts with $200 or less on Betking is more than $10k total.

If they did verify Dean's version of what happened and did this as an of goodwill like they're framing it, kudos to Dean and Bitsler for making good of the situation.

[chazley]

You're probably right, but I'm willing to accept the possibility that Dean would be willing to and could prove his version of events to a third party if requested.

[arwin100]

If Bitsler really were interested about those that were victims of betking in a wider-ranging manner of helping, they could have completely disassociated with the person central to the betking scam which sadly cost many people a lot of money.

I think that Bitsler made a well calculated step. They may gain some gamblers, also quite some of that redeemed money will get gambled away at Bitsler... and their name is spoken even more, which is advertising.
I don't think that such big percent of the gamblers have the same strong feelings about Betking (especially now as they get their money back) so it's more a plus than a minus for Bitsler.
(Of course, it's my opinion and I'm only human, so I may be wrong.)

This is a sort of marketing strategy for bitsler since if you see it create a noise already here and more curious people more exposure for them so I think by refunding those betking compromised player could possibly gather more player on their site and the other who could read this news will turn their tables to play on them.

This is a great move made by bitsler.

[posi]

I must confess Baryom is a smart, amazing and business intellectual guy because what he's planning to do will clean the name of Betkings and also advertised his casino while more gamblers trust about his company will increase. But out of curiosity, is there any strong relationship between Dean and Baryom because things like this dont just happen?
I'm sorry of i offend anyone with my curiosity.

[TwitchySeal]

I would be surprised if Dean doesn't claim a big chunk of these refunds directly into his pocket with alt accounts of his own on Bitsler.

[hulla]

I must confess Baryom is a smart, amazing and business intellectual guy because what he's planning to do will clean the name of Betkings and also advertised his casino while more gamblers trust about his company will increase. But out of curiosity, is there any strong relationship between Dean and Baryom because things like this dont just happen?
I'm sorry of i offend anyone with my curiosity.

They run a partnership program but how they intent to do it after the BK debt paid is what i dont understand.

I agree with Chrisbin that we should judge people so quickly when they are still sticking around trying to make things right. BUT at the same time I have heard from 2 users on this forum (not me thankfully) about BK because I asked them about it when I wanted to join.
we need to remember what has happened and not allow it to take place again.

That's correct but i learn something long ago that things that involve huge number of people is not easy to control cause it consist of people from different background, culture and understanding. However, most people from the crypto sphere usually quick answer to things especially when it have to do with fund and it good to see someone like Baryom standing up to clear the issue.

[JollyGood]

I would also advocate a manner in which the serial scammer (Dean) will not be involved in any way shape or form even if the end result is to help victims of the betking scam.

The betking website has many affiliate links, where is the money going (if it generates any money at all)? Why has no mechanism been created which is allegedly designed to benefit victims specifically to bypass the serial scammer Dean Nolan? There are so many honest escrow services here, I can vouch for at least two users and others would probably vouch for their own - any could be used to receive and forward the funds to victims AFTER it was clearly stated who these victims were because serial scammer  Dean Nolan could create as many alleged victims as he wanted and be receiving a large chunk of any goodwill payments himself.

Regarding Bitsler giving freebie money to play at their website and making it clear bankroll investors who became victims will get nothing, they are making the wrong move associating with betking and more specifically serial scammer Dean Nolan.

I am 100% in agreement with BAC here.

Serial scammer Dean Nolan stolen over $400,000 worth of Bitcoin investor bankroll and blamed it on an imaginary hack. Then closed down the failing betking website. On that basis alone Bitsler should not be associating itself with betking regardless of who will benefit in the end. Add to that all the other issues such as the millions of USD$ that serial scammer Dean Nolan stole from the ICO and post-ICO still has not been located.

Sadly a very bad move by Bitsler by associating with betking in any way shape or form.

You clearly just want to attack Dean (probably deserved) without caring for the people who actually lost money to the hack (real or not). Regardless of what actually happened, the most important part should be trying to get those who were scammed to be made whole. I can't believe that you're advocating for Bitsler to not refund legitimate players that happened to lose money because of Dean.

It seems like a great way for Dean to make even more money.

Dean is completely untrustable and I have no doubt that he will use this to rob Bitsler.  

As an affiliate, I just don't want my work to benefit Dean at ALL.  It's great that Bitsler values potential players so much so that they would make a scam right, but I fear this isn't it.

Anything that helps make Dean seem charitable is bad as well IMO.