Butterfly Labs November Update (ASIC Chips are "flawed". Delays.)

[AndrewBUD]

Are you saying that you guys already have a working chip that needed improvements?

Like others have said why not put people at ease and show the community this "slower" working chip in action.



Would it not make sense to release this slower chip to miner devs to have working software?


 

[bitmar]

Like others have said why not put people at ease and show the community this "slower" working chip in action.

why ? Because it is a top secret project of BFL + NASA + FBI + Obama 
BFL likes to boast about proof of success, they showed a lot of photos. If they would have working chips that would also be shown. Now just fix their PR. The news about defective chips frightens new customers. It is a wise strategy.

[AndrewBUD]

That's why I think they changed the story.


If they had a working chip they would be pushing it in everyones face... They would get more orders because their the first to show a working prototype.

But nothing but stories and delays..



Why not get the miner dev's an underclocked working prototype so we have working software for these ASIC's?

[Korbman]

Why not get the miner dev's an underclocked working prototype so we have working software for these ASIC's?

+1

I'm not sure I'm understanding the operational and PR processes BFL is going through on all this. In this case, because the product is very much still in R&D, it doesn't need to be absolutely perfect in every way before the customer sees a prototype. Just show me a board with some chips hashing on a test network...it may have noise, heat, wattage, hashing, or other problems, but at least it would be known that it does exist and does work.

I can take pictures of circuit boards with chips on them all day..doesn't mean they work though 

Come on BFL..give us something to work with here.

[wormbog]

That's why I think they changed the story.


If they had a working chip they would be pushing it in everyones face... They would get more orders because their the first to show a working prototype.

But nothing but stories and delays..



Why not get the miner dev's an underclocked working prototype so we have working software for these ASIC's?

Anything they show by video will be immediately dismissed as a fake.

If they send early release devices to a few operators, everyone will be howling about how unfair it is that a few inner-circle people get to use the hardware while the difficulty is still low.

BFL needs to invite a BTC-savvy reporter in to review their pre-release hardware, someone with enough of a reputation to be widely perceived as legit.

[Jack1Rip1BurnIt]

People won't be pissed if the developers receive a freaking jalepeno. Period.

[Syke]

Hi Everyone,

We've been very busy recently, unfortunately I couldn't catch up with the forums. There is a correction to be made: Chips are not and were not flawed. We decided to add certain clock buffers to improve noise-resistance and possibly increase frequency even further. The improve in noise resistance was our real goal (average frequency increase across a full wafer can be a bi-product). The decision was made to increase the near 100% chance of success even more. We'll keep you posted. If you had any questions, please let us know.


Regards,
Nasser

You already have a chip with near 100% success and you postponed release so you could get even better than near 100% success? Right.

[PuertoLibre]

That's why I think they changed the story.


If they had a working chip they would be pushing it in everyones face... They would get more orders because their the first to show a working prototype.

But nothing but stories and delays..



Why not get the miner dev's an underclocked working prototype so we have working software for these ASIC's?

Anything they show by video will be immediately dismissed as a fake.

If they send early release devices to a few operators, everyone will be howling about how unfair it is that a few inner-circle people get to use the hardware while the difficulty is still low.

BFL needs to invite a BTC-savvy reporter in to review their pre-release hardware, someone with enough of a reputation to be widely perceived as legit.

You mean like Yochdog and Kano? Hows that going?

[AndrewBUD]

Kanoi said he has not heard anything.. No updates.

[PuertoLibre]

Kanoi said he has not heard anything.. No updates.

We should hire a resident nutjob to make like "Signs" as to when the BFL ASICs will ship. Then walk around with a sign in their Avatar.

The first sign will be when Kano and Yochdog appear at BFL.

The second sign is when BFL begins to gloat about their (actual) hardware.

The third sign, is when people receive emails to the effect that they must select their shipping service as a final check and confirmation.

Until these three are not fulfilled (he says in a Biblical tone) it shall not be!

[CoinHoarder]

Hi Everyone,

We've been very busy recently, unfortunately I couldn't catch up with the forums. There is a correction to be made: Chips are not and were not flawed. We decided to add certain clock buffers to improve noise-resistance and possibly increase frequency even further. The improve in noise resistance was our real goal (average frequency increase across a full wafer can be a bi-product). The decision was made to increase the near 100% chance of success even more. We'll keep you posted. If you had any questions, please let us know.


Regards,
Nasser

You already have a chip with near 100% success and you postponed release so you could get even better than near 100% success? Right.

Ya... um... THIS.  

[crazyates]

That's why I think they changed the story.

If they had a working chip they would be pushing it in everyones face... They would get more orders because their the first to show a working prototype.

But nothing but stories and delays..

Why not get the miner dev's an underclocked working prototype so we have working software for these ASIC's?

Anything they show by video will be immediately dismissed as a fake.

If they send early release devices to a few operators, everyone will be howling about how unfair it is that a few inner-circle people get to use the hardware while the difficulty is still low.

BFL needs to invite a BTC-savvy reporter in to review their pre-release hardware, someone with enough of a reputation to be widely perceived as legit.

You mean like Yochdog and Kano? Hows that going?

For those that don't know, BFL offered to fly 2 members of the community out and look at their new hardware, and confirm that they are worked as intended. In a vote on the BFL forums, Yochdog (a very trusted trader) and Kano (one of the developers of CGMiner) were chosen. Unfortunately, nothing has happened so far, and no plans have been made public.

Original thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112543.0

[michaelmclees]

When I asked them about this, they said they wouldn't send anyone until everything was up and running.  Personally, I think this is a waste of time.  It was always my opinion the visit should be to see their progress, whatever it may be.  BFL seems to have the opinion that it is a waste to send anyone with a camera until their basically shipping.  If that's the plan ... What's the point?

[MeSarah]

Is this the knitting circle with bitchy house wives I was looking for?

[AndrewBUD]

Is this the knitting circle with bitchy house wives I was looking for?

Naww.. Fat dudes with walking phobias

[Bogart]

Hi Everyone,

We've been very busy recently, unfortunately I couldn't catch up with the forums. There is a correction to be made: Chips are not and were not flawed. We decided to add certain clock buffers to improve noise-resistance and possibly increase frequency even further. The improve in noise resistance was our real goal (average frequency increase across a full wafer can be a bi-product). The decision was made to increase the near 100% chance of success even more. We'll keep you posted. If you had any questions, please let us know.


Regards,
Nasser

You said the same thing yesterday on the BFL forums.  It doesn't make any more sense when you say it again here today.

If you haz chips that are not critically flawed, Y U no ship dem?

If they don't perform up to spec, that is indeed a flaw.  Yet you say there is no flaw?

Hearing things like this that don't make sense is making the flocks restless.

[greyhawk]

Maybe someone at BFL went to the Duke Nukem Forever School of Hardware Design?

[psilan]

Maybe someone at BFL went to the Duke Nukem Forever School of Hardware Design?

Man that sucked when it came out.

[Starlightbreaker]

Maybe someone at BFL went to the Duke Nukem Forever School of Hardware Design?

or probably Valve with HL3.


but valve's a great company, unlike BFL...so i dunno.

[greyhawk]

Maybe someone at BFL went to the Duke Nukem Forever School of Hardware Design?

Man that sucked when it came out.

Both of them. At the same time.