Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly"

[vortexz]

why is  this thread in "hardware" They have no proof, no release date, nothing.
"sales tu public start shortly" ? really ? how shortly ? this month ? next month ? next year ? next 2 years ?

PLEASE MOVE IT TO "MINING SPECULATIONS"

[dogie]

why is  this thread in "hardware" They have no proof, no release date, nothing.
"sales tu public start shortly" ? really ? how shortly ? this month ? next month ? next year ? next 2 years ?

Same as any other hardware announcement ever? This is originally what this subforum was for.

[Mitak]

correction
Back then when it was called "CUSTOM HARDWARE"
it was all about hardware devs , designs etc

[Finksy]

 Tapeout is normally a step MONTHS in advance of producing actual sellable/manufacture with chips.
 Sometimes, if the design wasn't done right, tape-out is just "oops, we designed these but the design don't WORK back to the drawing board to figure out how to FIX what's not working right", though that's not common with modern design tools. More commonly, the design works but doesn't meet the intended specs at which point you have to try to figure out how to fix the design to meet target specs, or you decide to live with the specs achieved if they're close enough to target.

 Even in cases where the tape-out prototype chips meet the target specs, actually ramping up to production is still usually a "months to go" thing.


 It's not hard to picture Bitfury having working chips NOW though, all of their announcements have been a few months ahead of the corresponding Innosilicon ones, and I'm expecting full production out of Innosilicon 1Q next year timeframe.

I would bet we will see Innosilicon chips for sale before we see Bitfury's.

[philipma1957]

 Tapeout is normally a step MONTHS in advance of producing actual sellable/manufacture with chips.
 Sometimes, if the design wasn't done right, tape-out is just "oops, we designed these but the design don't WORK back to the drawing board to figure out how to FIX what's not working right", though that's not common with modern design tools. More commonly, the design works but doesn't meet the intended specs at which point you have to try to figure out how to fix the design to meet target specs, or you decide to live with the specs achieved if they're close enough to target.

 Even in cases where the tape-out prototype chips meet the target specs, actually ramping up to production is still usually a "months to go" thing.


 It's not hard to picture Bitfury having working chips NOW though, all of their announcements have been a few months ahead of the corresponding Innosilicon ones, and I'm expecting full production out of Innosilicon 1Q next year timeframe.

I would bet we will see Innosilicon chips for sale before we see Bitfury's.

ya think.  Maybe so.  My guess we get neither of them.

[GSpgh]

I would bet we will see Innosilicon chips for sale before we see Bitfury's.

can you point towards info about those chips? my search skills failed me

[QuintLeo]

google "innnosilicon" and either "A3" or "A4"

 Quite a few links that will find you, though a lot are reporting of the same few press releases.

[kilo17]

or just go to their website, the new chips are on the website

http://www.innosilicon.com

[Mitak]

I see there is an announcement for A4, but no word for A3 that is sha 256 ASIC
Again "soon" ^tm

And as far I remember Inno will set a mad MOQ corresponding to +1M USD

[dogie]

I see there is an announcement for A4, but no word for A3 that is sha 256 ASIC
Again "soon" ^tm

And as far I remember Inno will set a mad MOQ corresponding to +1M USD

I don't think Inno is really a miner manufacturer or really wants to be. They're actually what the Avalon team originally set out to be - chip designers who design a chip, send it out and immediately get working on the next one. Its possible you'll still be able to attain chips from one of their OEMs.

[GSpgh]

google "innnosilicon" and either "A3" or "A4"

 Quite a few links that will find you, though a lot are reporting of the same few press releases.

or just go to their website, the new chips are on the website

http://www.innosilicon.com

thanks but i know about the scrypt chip

there is nothing about the sha256 chip other than a casual mention of 0.2W which is not that good (similar to s7 at the wall 0.25W)

anyway, offtopic, sorry

[jstefanop]

or just go to their website, the new chips are on the website

http://www.innosilicon.com

They taped out the scrypt A4 chip. Nothing on the SHA A3. They are also still looking for investors to buy the masks for the A4, so it will be a while before anything comes out...and definitely nothing on the horizon for SHA chips.

[Finksy]

I don't think Inno is really a miner manufacturer or really wants to be. They're actually what the Avalon team originally set out to be - chip designers who design a chip, send it out and immediately get working on the next one. Its possible you'll still be able to attain chips from one of their OEMs.

They started out that way, but I think after so many failures on manufacturers' behalves with the A1, they want to be a little more involved with the end-product this time around.  They seemed receptive to the idea anyways.

[lightfoot]

Hm. Are there any pinouts or protocol specs on either of their chips? It would be a hoot to put them on old jalapeno boards....

[QuintLeo]

They haven't put out a lot of hard info on the A3 so far - but they aren't bothering to look for investors for it, and they HAVE said they plan to release the A3 and A4 at the same time.

 I also suspect the A3 is going to be a lot better than 0.2w/GH - based on the efficiency gains of the A4 vs. the A2 and the claimed efficiency of the already-existing full-custom 14/16nm designs, I'm betting on under 0.1 and more likely 0.06 ballpark.


 They probably don't figure there's any significant risk on the A3 of not being able to sell enough of them to make a profit, given how much bigger the SHA256 market is.


 They announced tape-out on the A3 in the SAME "leak" they mentioned it for the A4 back around July or so.


 Innosilicon has been a miner manufacturer before - they built the A2 in 3 versions as a miner, the 88MH and 110MH units and that 60ish MH Farmboy thing.


 I'd suspect that they'll have a fairly high MOQ on the chips for a while, but will drop it down eventually when they're not competing with themselves as much by selling smaller quantities of chips.

[Mitak]

I do not know about MMQ but for sure the chip price will be more expencive than full miners with this chip.
This is what it was with A2 chip sales.
Soecialy for low to medium batches

[BitUsher]

Hashrate is skyrocketing -- 48 blocks were found within the last 4 hours... an event that is supposed to happen once every 50 years by chance. Blocks being found across many pools. My guess is these Bitfury ASICs are coming online and George is pointing them to many pools.

[Mitak]

I think that it's more likely a new batch of chinese iron put online

[sidehack]

Yeah. When are we expecting LK/BW machines to roll out? How many thousand S7 have been made? How many Avalon6 are sitting on their shelves churning away? And whatever happened to KFC's Solar chip? And 21e6 is probably still doing things behind their curtain. And who else might be, that we haven't heard of yet?

[philipma1957]

Well we just had 202 block day = fucking nuts