Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly"

[Eric Mu]

We are in talks with them.

Let us know what you find out please

Sorry man, signed a non-disclosure agreement.

[carlosmnk]

We are in talks with them.

Let us know what you find out please

Is he talking about bitfury or innosilicon?  

[Eric Mu]

We are in talks with them.

Let us know what you find out please

Is he talking about bitfury or innosilicon?  

BitFury.

[dogie]

We are in talks with them.

Let us know what you find out please

Is he talking about bitfury or innosilicon? 

BitFury.

One day this industry will get by without NDAs. Bitfury has been screaming to the world about their chips so we already know their specs, and the technical information can in large parts be reverse engineered the second any OEM boards are shipped. The prices and sales conditions are something that funamendally should never be NDAed and its a sign of bad things. There's no good tweeting you want 2MB blocks when you're simultaneously keeping people quiet.

[For the record I was asked to sign an invalid NDA with Spondoolies, a gentleman's NDA with Bitmain, and nothing with any other company.]

[alienesb]

We are in talks with them.

Let us know what you find out please

Sorry man, signed a non-disclosure agreement.

What was the point announcing you're talking to them then?

[RichBC]

We are in talks with them.

Let us know what you find out please

Sorry man, signed a non-disclosure agreement.

What was the point announcing you're talking to them then?

Yes does not make a lot of sense... Perhaps he could post a copy of the NDA? 


Rich

[sidehack]

Lucky dog. They haven't gotten back to me yet.

[Micky25]

NDAs.... reminds me of HashFast times 

[Eric Mu]

We are in talks with them.

Let us know what you find out please

Sorry man, signed a non-disclosure agreement.

What was the point announcing you're talking to them then?

To tell you that they are making an effort to sell their technology to Chinese miners?
Not so much as "announcing". Sometimes words just come to your lips and hard to swallow them back. One of such moments.

[alienesb]

We are in talks with them.

Let us know what you find out please

Sorry man, signed a non-disclosure agreement.

What was the point announcing you're talking to them then?

To tell you that they are making an effort to sell their technology to Chinese miners?
Not so much as "announcing". Sometimes words just come to your lips and hard to swallow them back. One of such moments.

Fair enough

[MathewCNichols]

Bitfury just released this demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zPpj1JYw38

[dogie]

Bitfury just released this demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zPpj1JYw38

For those on mobile:
Unheatsinked
(cold)
379mV
37GH
0.062 J/GH

379mV
39GH
0.063 J/GH

390mV
47GH
0.067 J/GH

394mV
52GH
0.070 J/GH

Higher power tests with heatsink uploaded later.

[tutorialevideo]

expecting the price
I guess they will build a 20-25 TH miner with 1.2-1.5kw/ for 5000-6000$

[HerbPean]

Will hit the market in March

[dogie]

Will hit the market in March

That's a lot of sleeps away for industrial pricing, quite a gamble for the OEMs.

[padrino]

We are in talks with them.

Let us know what you find out please

Is he talking about bitfury or innosilicon? 

BitFury.

One day this industry will get by without NDAs. Bitfury has been screaming to the world about their chips so we already know their specs, and the technical information can in large parts be reverse engineered the second any OEM boards are shipped. The prices and sales conditions are something that funamendally should never be NDAed and its a sign of bad things. There's no good tweeting you want 2MB blocks when you're simultaneously keeping people quiet.

[For the record I was asked to sign an invalid NDA with Spondoolies, a gentleman's NDA with Bitmain, and nothing with any other company.]

But then you don't design and sell machines, so why would most companies require an NDA for you? In short it depends on the information being shared..

[el_rlee]

Will this be a chance to make money with mining? Their pricing in the past makes me doubt it...

[dogie]

We are in talks with them.

Let us know what you find out please

Is he talking about bitfury or innosilicon?  

BitFury.

One day this industry will get by without NDAs. Bitfury has been screaming to the world about their chips so we already know their specs, and the technical information can in large parts be reverse engineered the second any OEM boards are shipped. The prices and sales conditions are something that funamendally should never be NDAed and its a sign of bad things. There's no good tweeting you want 2MB blocks when you're simultaneously keeping people quiet.

[For the record I was asked to sign an invalid NDA with Spondoolies, a gentleman's NDA with Bitmain, and nothing with any other company.]

But then you don't design and sell machines, so why would most companies require an NDA for you? In short it depends on the information being shared..

Spondoolies so they could share why their SP3X chips were under-performing in the first batch and Bitmain so that they know if confidential information or designs were leaked to other companies they'd be covered against anyone who could leak it (I wrote most of it). Everyone else I work with operates/ed under the honor system.

I'd turn it around and say what do Bitfury hope to hide under the NDA?

• Chip availability? Well, its not as if anyone can react to a trillion PH being put on the network, you're either in the game or not.
• Chip prices? ... Terrible for all, you can't even be sure if they're charging you more than the next man because they can.
• Chip specs? ... We know them.
• Chip documentation? ... Should be published with the devices anyway. How can the OEMs properly support their products if they've got to keep half the architecture a secret from the end user.

[notlist3d]

Will hit the market in March

That's a lot of sleeps away for industrial pricing, quite a gamble for the OEMs.

It does look still very much in prototype phase.  That video was not showing a very clean board it looked like hacked together and it does work.  It is interesting I figured they already had a working full miner.

I'm a little scared if they don't have a miner yet with all the added difficulty we have been having.

[notlist3d]

We are in talks with them.

Let us know what you find out please

Is he talking about bitfury or innosilicon? 

BitFury.

One day this industry will get by without NDAs. Bitfury has been screaming to the world about their chips so we already know their specs, and the technical information can in large parts be reverse engineered the second any OEM boards are shipped. The prices and sales conditions are something that funamendally should never be NDAed and its a sign of bad things. There's no good tweeting you want 2MB blocks when you're simultaneously keeping people quiet.

[For the record I was asked to sign an invalid NDA with Spondoolies, a gentleman's NDA with Bitmain, and nothing with any other company.]

But then you don't design and sell machines, so why would most companies require an NDA for you? In short it depends on the information being shared..

Spondoolies so they could share why their SP3X chips were under-performing in the first batch and Bitmain so that they know if confidential information or designs were leaked to other companies they'd be covered against anyone who could leak it (I wrote most of it). Everyone else I work with operates/ed under the honor system.

NDA's are scary as heck in this field.  If you are buying bulk gear or a new gear like this them having a NDA is pretty common before public release.   I love eric@haobtc's thread with pictures and sharing everything he has made me a fan.  But I'm honestly surprised he was able to say he was in talks I would have guessed he was under a huge NDA.

Ultimately companies do not want someone to leak info an competition know gear in advance to be able to develop plans knowing so much.  They would rather drop a new item to market and competition be scrambling.