Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly"

[carlosmnk]

I wish Sidehack wasn't anti-Scrypt, I'd love to see what he could come up with for an EFFICIENT Scrypt miner using the A4 (I'm betting Innosilicon and their integrators go for the short-string higher-hash less efficient options).

On the other hand, if Innosilicon actually puts a buck on each string for their A4 based miner(s), it becomes a mostly moot point.

Guess you missed my project...I took the even more efficient Alchminer chip and have squeezed it to under 4w/MH at it most efficient setting (500kh/s). It can go to over 1MH on max speed(about 8-9 watts).

Check out the link in my sig.

And all of innosilicons A4 based miners are non string designs..they have about 4 chips per buck.

When will we see the A4 hashing??

[QuintLeo]

I wish Sidehack wasn't anti-Scrypt, I'd love to see what he could come up with for an EFFICIENT Scrypt miner using the A4 (I'm betting Innosilicon and their integrators go for the short-string higher-hash less efficient options).

On the other hand, if Innosilicon actually puts a buck on each string for their A4 based miner(s), it becomes a mostly moot point.

Guess you missed my project...I took the even more efficient Alchminer chip and have squeezed it to under 4w/MH at it most efficient setting (500kh/s). It can go to over 1MH on max speed(about 8-9 watts).

Check out the link in my sig.

And all of innosilicons A4 based miners are non string designs..they have about 4 chips per buck.

 Nah, I saw the moonlanded - the Alcheminer chip was, from what I've seen of it, about the SAME efficiency as the A2.
 I just don't like the limits the USB/board type design put on the chip for power and cooling.


 Given Innosilicon hasn't even released the A4 chips yet, how can you say how their miner design is going to look?
 Their *A2* designs has bucks, but they have stated the A4 is designed to work in a string setup - I don't recall that being an A2 option.



 Last announcement on Innosilicon's web site was "June" timeframe for the A4 chips to start getting shipped, "July" for miners, as I recall.

 The BIG question is "are they sticking with A3 release at the same time" that they stated in one of their early mentions of both chips?
 The NEXT big question is "how good will the A3 be when they release it"?

[Mikestang]

Why do alt coins always seem to find their way into so many bitcoin discussion topics in the Bitcoin part of this forum?

Scrypt has no place in this topic.

[carlosmnk]

Why do alt coins always seem to find their way into so many bitcoin discussion topics in the Bitcoin part of this forum?

Scrypt has no place in this topic.

Hi, this time, A4 have the bitcoin interest in the A3 "brother". Unfortunally, there is no notice about this chip/miner. BTW, the alt coins are all in the same area, so it is a bit hard to find the topics you are searching or have interest. Here is easyer, but you are right, this is a bitcoin forum area...  

[toptek]

Why do alt coins always seem to find their way into so many bitcoin discussion topics in the Bitcoin part of this forum?

Scrypt has no place in this topic.

Hi, this time, A4 have the bitcoin interest in the A3 "brother". Unfortunally, there is no notice about this chip/miner. BTW, the alt coins are all in the same area, so it is a bit hard to find the topics you are searching or have interest. Here is easyer, but you are right, this is a bitcoin forum area...  

i agree if they are gonna have both forms they should both be formatted the same. maintained the same way. but again rules are rules with out rules things would be a worse mess then they are now
;0.

Why do alt coins always seem to find their way into so many bitcoin discussion topics in the Bitcoin part of this forum?

Scrypt has no place in this topic.

because most will do it regardless of rules it's a chip it mines coins that's why it's that simple....or it's hardware some even believe sense it is hard ware it does not mater what forms it is in ,
.. i tend to agree with that but that's me and rules are rules, so I don't push it .

[mavericklm]

.......''sales'' to ''public'' ''start'' ''shortly''
 

go bitmain go!

[adaseb]

Did they at least send kilo17 the 1 BTC for the bet he won ?

[one4many]

Did they at least send kilo17 the 1 BTC for the bet he won ?

like they kept my 1 BTC when I didn't order on the first original badge (price was 100 BTC btw).

[sidehack]

Was that a nonrefundable deposit?

Last I heard from Kilo, they hadn't sent the 1BTC yet so he was going to try and trade them for sample chips (which had already been sent to big players, but not us).

[HyperMega]

Was that a nonrefundable deposit?

Last I heard from Kilo, they hadn't sent the 1BTC yet so he was going to try and trade them for sample chips (which had already been sent to big players, but not us).

Did one of the "big players" confirm that he received samples to you personally?
Or are this just rumours?

[Gyrsur]

Was that a nonrefundable deposit?

Last I heard from Kilo, they hadn't sent the 1BTC yet so he was going to try and trade them for sample chips (which had already been sent to big players, but not us).

Did one of the "big players" confirm that he received samples to you personally?
Or are this just rumours?

NDA is a hell of drug!

[sidehack]

I have not confirmed anything. It's also entirely possible I wasn't supposed to tell anyone that. With the exception of sporadic updates from Kilo, nobody has talked to me in any official way about chips in a long time. The last word I got from anyone at Bitfury directly was I think around the end of January. I'd suggest, if you want to know something talk to Kilo or talk to punin.

[HyperMega]

I have not confirmed anything. It's also entirely possible I wasn't supposed to tell anyone that. With the exception of sporadic updates from Kilo, nobody has talked to me in any official way about chips in a long time. The last word I got from anyone at Bitfury directly was I think around the end of January. I'd suggest, if you want to know something talk to Kilo or talk to punin.

Just to be clear. This means you don't have any information which confirms your statement "[sample chips] (which had already been sent to big players, but not us)"?
It is just an assumption of you without prove?

[sidehack]

Just to be clear - read what I wrote. The perenthetic "had already been sent to big players" is included in what "I heard from Kilo". "I have not confirmed anything", "nobody has talked to me in any official way about chips in a long time" and "if you want to know something talk to Kilo or talk to punin".

Seriously. Stop asking me questions about the state of Bitfury chips because, like I've been saying for about three months, it's out of my hands. Y'all know everything that I know at this point, which is not much.

[jstefanop]

I wish Sidehack wasn't anti-Scrypt, I'd love to see what he could come up with for an EFFICIENT Scrypt miner using the A4 (I'm betting Innosilicon and their integrators go for the short-string higher-hash less efficient options).

On the other hand, if Innosilicon actually puts a buck on each string for their A4 based miner(s), it becomes a mostly moot point.

Guess you missed my project...I took the even more efficient Alchminer chip and have squeezed it to under 4w/MH at it most efficient setting (500kh/s). It can go to over 1MH on max speed(about 8-9 watts).

Check out the link in my sig.

And all of innosilicons A4 based miners are non string designs..they have about 4 chips per buck.

 Nah, I saw the moonlanded - the Alcheminer chip was, from what I've seen of it, about the SAME efficiency as the A2.
 I just don't like the limits the USB/board type design put on the chip for power and cooling.


 Given Innosilicon hasn't even released the A4 chips yet, how can you say how their miner design is going to look?
 Their *A2* designs has bucks, but they have stated the A4 is designed to work in a string setup - I don't recall that being an A2 option.



 Last announcement on Innosilicon's web site was "June" timeframe for the A4 chips to start getting shipped, "July" for miners, as I recall.

 The BIG question is "are they sticking with A3 release at the same time" that they stated in one of their early mentions of both chips?
 The NEXT big question is "how good will the A3 be when they release it"?

Yea I meant A2, had a brain fart and thought your A4 comment was for the A2. As for the A4 should have some interesting stuff "soonish" to report

[Unacceptable]

I wish Sidehack wasn't anti-Scrypt, I'd love to see what he could come up with for an EFFICIENT Scrypt miner using the A4 (I'm betting Innosilicon and their integrators go for the short-string higher-hash less efficient options).

On the other hand, if Innosilicon actually puts a buck on each string for their A4 based miner(s), it becomes a mostly moot point.

Guess you missed my project...I took the even more efficient Alchminer chip and have squeezed it to under 4w/MH at it most efficient setting (500kh/s). It can go to over 1MH on max speed(about 8-9 watts).

Check out the link in my sig.

And all of innosilicons A4 based miners are non string designs..they have about 4 chips per buck.

 Nah, I saw the moonlanded - the Alcheminer chip was, from what I've seen of it, about the SAME efficiency as the A2.
 I just don't like the limits the USB/board type design put on the chip for power and cooling.


 Given Innosilicon hasn't even released the A4 chips yet, how can you say how their miner design is going to look?
 Their *A2* designs has bucks, but they have stated the A4 is designed to work in a string setup - I don't recall that being an A2 option.



 Last announcement on Innosilicon's web site was "June" timeframe for the A4 chips to start getting shipped, "July" for miners, as I recall.

 The BIG question is "are they sticking with A3 release at the same time" that they stated in one of their early mentions of both chips?
 The NEXT big question is "how good will the A3 be when they release it"?

Yea I meant A2, had a brain fart and thought your A4 comment was for the A2. As for the A4 should have some interesting stuff "soonish" to report

HEY!!!!!!! Only talk about BTC Bitfury chips here!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mikestang will start reporting all those who don't comply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have been warned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[in2tactics]

HEY!!!!!!! Only talk about BTC Bitfury chips here!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mikestang will start reporting all those who don't comply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have been warned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I chuckled at that.

[carlosmnk]

Wow! I'm very interested on A4 news, please, talk about them at the properly post... 

[elrippo]

BITFURY, i would endorse you to sell Miners for the "Home Miner" in large scale at under 0,15$/GH shipped!

You may ask, why this crazy guy wants you to do so, well i'll try to give you an answer to this.

Every time the price hits 2795, somebody sells a large portion of BTC to keep the price under this level, and that seems to be a succesful strategy. I personally suspect some big miners in china to regulate the market this way, and therefore keep the rest of the world outside of the mining business. That sounds somewhat like a monopol, and i truely do believe that is the case (i think you guys know that too, so no surprise here).

BITMAIN is the largest ASIC manufacturer and miner at present it seems, and BITMAIN is getting more and more the dictator of this business, so the natural strategy should be to change this.

What can you guys do to make that happen?

1.) Build a Miner for "Home Miners" with a price less than 0,15$/GH shipped, and a power consumption less than 1600 watts each, to keep that thing running at home.
2.) Offer a bulk sale in logarithmic steps, so small mining farms are able to buy at decent prices to grow.
3.) Offer a great support to your customers, and i believe you will be sold out in a few days.

On the long run that builds a counter part to BITMAIN and we will see a shift from china to the rest of the world in small steps, but we will see it. Secondly it will lift you on top of the market, and take some air from BITMAIN to breathe. Thirdly, and i believe this will happen, all after that the price of BTC will hold a steady level (at the moment speaking, this is left to market makers as BITMAIN is one)

Conclusion: Support the home miner and you will get some strategic pressure on the guys from China 

[Gyrsur]

BITFURY, i would endorse you to sell Miners for the "Home Miner" in large scale at under 0,15$/GH shipped!

You may ask, why this crazy guy wants you to do so, well i'll try to give you an answer to this.

Every time the price hits 2795, somebody sells a large portion of BTC to keep the price under this level, and that seems to be a succesful strategy. I personally suspect some big miners in china to regulate the market this way, and therefore keep the rest of the world outside of the mining business. That sounds somewhat like a monopol, and i truely do believe that is the case (i think you guys know that too, so no surprise here).

BITMAIN is the largest ASIC manufacturer and miner at present it seems, and BITMAIN is getting more and more the dictator of this business, so the natural strategy should be to change this.

What can you guys do to make that happen?

1.) Build a Miner for "Home Miners" with a price less than 0,15$/GH shipped, and a power consumption less than 1600 watts each, to keep that thing running at home.
2.) Offer a bulk sale in logarithmic steps, so small mining farms are able to buy at decent prices to grow.
3.) Offer a great support to your customers, and i believe you will be sold out in a few days.

On the long run that builds a counter part to BITMAIN and we will see a shift from china to the rest of the world in small steps, but we will see it. Secondly it will lift you on top of the market, and take some air from BITMAIN to breathe. Thirdly, and i believe this will happen, all after that the price of BTC will hold a steady level (at the moment speaking, this is left to market makers as BITMAIN is one)

Conclusion: Support the home miner and you will get some strategic pressure on the guys from China  

yes, the chart proves it.

https://snag.gy/4tpVj5

huobi, daily chart.