Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly"

[AleScamHole]

For reference each 12038 loads at ~1.9A at 4000rpm, making each fan up to 23W.

12038 is just a generic reference to 120mmx38mm fans, it's not a specific model. I was under the impression the fans were similar to the AFC1212DE 3900RPM fans which draw 3.0A max each. Not that this is remotely on topic or anything.

 AFB aren't focused flow, they're FFB something-or-the-other or one of the FFB derivatives.

 Bitmain announced IN THE SAME ANNOUNCEMENT where they announced the S7 that they were working on another chip - I forget if it was 14nm or 16nm offhand. They have also in the last couple days mentioned that they would have information on the "upcomming S9" soon - but since they're not selling off "used" S7 units yet I'd guess at least another month perhaps 2 before they even think about starting sales on the S9, except perhaps on a pre-order basis.

 Given their roll-back on the efficiency spec of the A4 and the miner based on it from their original announcement, and that they were working on it at the same time as the A3, I suspect it turned out to have similar efficiency to the BW.COM LK-1401 chip rather than being a "new ground breaking" level of efficiency like the BitFury chip.

 It's also possible that the LK-1401 is actually the Innosilocon A3 design, given the long-standing relationship between Innosilocon and LKetc (which owns part of BW.COM), but that is pure speculation.

ya BW has has 16mn for a while, and SAY they have 14mn too. wish their site wasent imposible to use, as they are other best option out there for little guy

[sidehack]

I'm assuming you'll want to hack the regulators on later batch machines and get about 25% better efficiency?

[Sierra8561]

I'm assuming you'll want to hack the regulators on later batch machines and get about 25% better efficiency?

Is that possible?

[sidehack]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1420909.0

It's listed as a repair because the volt-setting circuit has been known to shoot craps, but many would consider it an upgrade.

[CjMapope]

For reference each 12038 loads at ~1.9A at 4000rpm, making each fan up to 23W.

12038 is just a generic reference to 120mmx38mm fans, it's not a specific model. I was under the impression the fans were similar to the AFC1212DE 3900RPM fans which draw 3.0A max each. Not that this is remotely on topic or anything.

 AFB aren't focused flow, they're FFB something-or-the-other or one of the FFB derivatives.

 Bitmain announced IN THE SAME ANNOUNCEMENT where they announced the S7 that they were working on another chip - I forget if it was 14nm or 16nm offhand. They have also in the last couple days mentioned that they would have information on the "upcomming S9" soon - but since they're not selling off "used" S7 units yet I'd guess at least another month perhaps 2 before they even think about starting sales on the S9, except perhaps on a pre-order basis.

 Given their roll-back on the efficiency spec of the A4 and the miner based on it from their original announcement, and that they were working on it at the same time as the A3, I suspect it turned out to have similar efficiency to the BW.COM LK-1401 chip rather than being a "new ground breaking" level of efficiency like the BitFury chip.

 It's also possible that the LK-1401 is actually the Innosilocon A3 design, given the long-standing relationship between Innosilocon and LKetc (which owns part of BW.COM), but that is pure speculation.

Got a link to this BW.com Can't find anything on it with google or bing  

https://www.bw.com/
these guys are huge, just ya site hard to translate, but 14mn announced from them in 2015
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bw-to-launch-nm-chip-and-miner-for-general-population-1445278227

they ran preorders from 2015, should be hashing the 14mn now. their impressive chips, check their site (advertise 160w per TH)
https://www.bw.com/news/show-65-proclamation

[Biomech]

...

Or they could have increased power efficiency by using gold wires.

...

Why do you suppose gold wires will increase power efficiency?

While gold is not as good a conductor as copper when clean, it does not tarnish and so remains very stable at power conductivity over time. Almost all other conductors (aside from exotic supeconductors) degrade over time do to corrosion.

[elrippo]

For reference each 12038 loads at ~1.9A at 4000rpm, making each fan up to 23W.

12038 is just a generic reference to 120mmx38mm fans, it's not a specific model. I was under the impression the fans were similar to the AFC1212DE 3900RPM fans which draw 3.0A max each. Not that this is remotely on topic or anything.

 AFB aren't focused flow, they're FFB something-or-the-other or one of the FFB derivatives.

 Bitmain announced IN THE SAME ANNOUNCEMENT where they announced the S7 that they were working on another chip - I forget if it was 14nm or 16nm offhand. They have also in the last couple days mentioned that they would have information on the "upcomming S9" soon - but since they're not selling off "used" S7 units yet I'd guess at least another month perhaps 2 before they even think about starting sales on the S9, except perhaps on a pre-order basis.

 Given their roll-back on the efficiency spec of the A4 and the miner based on it from their original announcement, and that they were working on it at the same time as the A3, I suspect it turned out to have similar efficiency to the BW.COM LK-1401 chip rather than being a "new ground breaking" level of efficiency like the BitFury chip.

 It's also possible that the LK-1401 is actually the Innosilocon A3 design, given the long-standing relationship between Innosilocon and LKetc (which owns part of BW.COM), but that is pure speculation.

Got a link to this BW.com Can't find anything on it with google or bing  

https://www.bw.com/
these guys are huge, just ya site hard to translate, but 14mn announced from them in 2015
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bw-to-launch-nm-chip-and-miner-for-general-population-1445278227

they ran preorders from 2015, should be hashing the 14mn now. their impressive chips, check their site (advertise 160w per TH)
https://www.bw.com/news/show-65-proclamation

Practically the B16 has the same specs as the SP50 (from October 2015) with the only difference that you can not buy the B16, so i do not really trust in the model from BW.com --> Renderings are nice but i personally prefer real, existing physical gear 

[CjMapope]

For reference each 12038 loads at ~1.9A at 4000rpm, making each fan up to 23W.

12038 is just a generic reference to 120mmx38mm fans, it's not a specific model. I was under the impression the fans were similar to the AFC1212DE 3900RPM fans which draw 3.0A max each. Not that this is remotely on topic or anything.

 AFB aren't focused flow, they're FFB something-or-the-other or one of the FFB derivatives.

 Bitmain announced IN THE SAME ANNOUNCEMENT where they announced the S7 that they were working on another chip - I forget if it was 14nm or 16nm offhand. They have also in the last couple days mentioned that they would have information on the "upcomming S9" soon - but since they're not selling off "used" S7 units yet I'd guess at least another month perhaps 2 before they even think about starting sales on the S9, except perhaps on a pre-order basis.

 Given their roll-back on the efficiency spec of the A4 and the miner based on it from their original announcement, and that they were working on it at the same time as the A3, I suspect it turned out to have similar efficiency to the BW.COM LK-1401 chip rather than being a "new ground breaking" level of efficiency like the BitFury chip.

 It's also possible that the LK-1401 is actually the Innosilocon A3 design, given the long-standing relationship between Innosilocon and LKetc (which owns part of BW.COM), but that is pure speculation.

Got a link to this BW.com Can't find anything on it with google or bing  

https://www.bw.com/
these guys are huge, just ya site hard to translate, but 14mn announced from them in 2015
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bw-to-launch-nm-chip-and-miner-for-general-population-1445278227

they ran preorders from 2015, should be hashing the 14mn now. their impressive chips, check their site (advertise 160w per TH)
https://www.bw.com/news/show-65-proclamation

Practically the B16 has the same specs as the SP50 (from October 2015) with the only difference that you can not buy the B16, so i do not really trust in the model from BW.com --> Renderings are nice but i personally prefer real, existing physical gear 

TRUE!  so little known about them, and yes it dosen't look like they actually SELL any hardware to outsiders (tho i can't get thru half the site ;p)

[suchmoon]

Practically the B16 has the same specs as the SP50 (from October 2015) with the only difference that you can not buy the B16, so i do not really trust in the model from BW.com --> Renderings are nice but i personally prefer real, existing physical gear 

That's not really a difference though, is it? Does an actual SP50 exist anywhere, let alone available for purchase?

[sidehack]

I would doubt the SP50 exists anywhere. I'd say 50/50 that they didn't even get engineering samples of the chip, let alone a factory batch.

[elrippo]

Practically the B16 has the same specs as the SP50 (from October 2015) with the only difference that you can not buy the B16, so i do not really trust in the model from BW.com --> Renderings are nice but i personally prefer real, existing physical gear 

That's not really a difference though, is it? Does an actual SP50 exist anywhere, let alone available for purchase?

Well, i haven't seen either one of the miners, but the picture of the SP50 makes me think they have build it because they really sold existing HW before the SP50. In case of the B16 i just see CAD models and noone ever posted an unboxing of a B16... 

[elrippo]

I would doubt the SP50 exists anywhere. I'd say 50/50 that they didn't even get engineering samples of the chip, let alone a factory batch.

If you know somebody in the project lead of spondoolies we could ask that person, everything else tends to be pure speculation 

[AleScamHole]

I would doubt the SP50 exists anywhere. I'd say 50/50 that they didn't even get engineering samples of the chip, let alone a factory batch.

If you know somebody in the project lead of spondoolies we could ask that person, everything else tends to be pure speculation 

Not to be rude, but does that position even exist anymore?    i would think the company would disband asap to deal with costs and the "road ahead"

[elrippo]

I would doubt the SP50 exists anywhere. I'd say 50/50 that they didn't even get engineering samples of the chip, let alone a factory batch.

If you know somebody in the project lead of spondoolies we could ask that person, everything else tends to be pure speculation 

They're no longer, I was reading the thread and it seemed like someone didn't pay employees as well.

Well BINGO, then we all can let spondoolies rest in peace, finally, and do some something really interesting instead of raping this thread, idea 

[AleScamHole]

I would doubt the SP50 exists anywhere. I'd say 50/50 that they didn't even get engineering samples of the chip, let alone a factory batch.

If you know somebody in the project lead of spondoolies we could ask that person, everything else tends to be pure speculation 

They're no longer, I was reading the thread and it seemed like someone didn't pay employees as well.

Well BINGO, then we all can let spondoolies rest in peace, finally, and do some something really interesting instead of raping this thread, idea 

true... as i think bitfury is about done with the community too.... 

[elrippo]

I would doubt the SP50 exists anywhere. I'd say 50/50 that they didn't even get engineering samples of the chip, let alone a factory batch.

If you know somebody in the project lead of spondoolies we could ask that person, everything else tends to be pure speculation 

They're no longer, I was reading the thread and it seemed like someone didn't pay employees as well.

Well BINGO, then we all can let spondoolies rest in peace, finally, and do some something really interesting instead of raping this thread, idea 

true... as i think bitfury is about done with the community too.... 

You know I really wanted those mining light bulbs from them though!

I believe you guys, but could we really do something more interesting than raping this corpse, for example by having a beer and a nice chat about the weather outside 

[AleScamHole]

i remember my noob ass telling my friends and family   "O Bitfury's gonna help us put them in our fridges!, in our washers! ANYTHING THAT USES electricity!"   in our car brakes to harness kinetic energy wasted in braking!    
thank god nooone ever asks me  "So how's that mining chip in your fridge doing?..."  

 -_-

[sidehack]

Putting a mining chip in anything that uses electricicy is a stupid idea for the same reason farms aren't built out of stick miners.

Here before long I'm gonna have to do some running around talking to folks and see if I can't find any info on chips from anyone, since if Bitmain's rolling an S9 it looks like we have three different outfits in the 14/16nm scale already. Hopefully someone actually talks. Gettin' friggin' tired of waiting on nothing.

[adaseb]

Apparently Bitfury is suppose to release some miners on May 21th according to the other thread. Any other proof or is it just a rumor?

[suchmoon]

Apparently Bitfury is suppose to release some miners on May 21th according to the other thread. Any other proof or is it just a rumor?

What other thread? Impossible to answer without a link.