Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly"

[adaseb]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302481.0


However I think he maybe got Bitfury confused with Bitmain

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[AleScamHole]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1302481.0


However I think he maybe got Bitfury confused with Bitmain

i think so haha.  unless he knows someone NOONE else even punin does ;p

[laowzE]

May 21 is Bitmain Antminer S9 launch, info comes in an email from Sharif (Bitmain sales guy). Email is from May 11, said will be available in 10 days = 21 May. I talked to him on my S7-F1 orders, very reliable. Could be selling S7 and S9 in future?

Keep faith in Bitfury to soon release a photo and video about new Bitfury miner who doesnt exist, available VERY VERY SHORTLY. This is Bitfury recipe for marketing. Maybe after another 100MW mega mine.

I would have to agree with OgNasty on the release date due to this msg:

"2016-05-11 00:52:07
Hi ,

thank you for your message.

New miner will be S9, it will be launched in 10 days, please check our main webpage for updates.

Best Regards,
Sharif
Sales and Business Development,
Mobile: +86 13264017056
"One small machine is changing the World" "

[NotFuzzyWarm]

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I wonder if that quote means they're changing their formula and reintroducing it to Home miners? Possibly they have increased their production size and can pump out more miners.

If TSMC Fab 14A is fully back online then yes, full production runs of ASICS for both Bitmain and BitFury could be going now. If so then Bitmain is in the Cat-bird seat with miners ready to go vs BitFury who rely on their integrators (including their own div that does the farms) to actually use their chips.

[philipma1957]

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I wonder if that quote means they're changing their formula and reintroducing it to Home miners? Possibly they have increased their production size and can pump out more miners.

If TSMC Fab 14A is fully back online then yes, full production runs of ASICS for both Bitmain and BitFury could be going now. If so then Bitmain is in the Cat-bird seat with miners ready to go vs BitFury who rely on their integrators (including their own div that does the farms) to actually use their chips.

this could force bitfury to simply sell chips

Way too much to hope for!

[sidehack]

Yeah wouldn't that be nice.

[kilo17]

Yeah wouldn't that be nice.

I am still hopeful, although if the 1 BTC bet payoff (no sign of it after over a month  ) is any indication of the willingness to sell chips then I think we are screwed.  

[Unacceptable]

Yeah wouldn't that be nice.

I am still hopeful, although if the 1 BTC bet payoff (no sign of it after over a month  ) is any indication of the willingness to sell chips then I think we are screwed.  

Finally seeing the light....the network takeover is almost complete 

[OneInchWonder]

Ok next gen miners need to come out in two weeks I will have 3k to 4k to get going bigger.

[tmfp]

I am still hopeful, although if the 1 BTC bet payoff (no sign of it after over a month  ) ....

Really???
A department head of a multi million $ outfit makes a clear public bet and then welshes on paying when he loses?
Who the fuck do these people think they are?

The asshole needs red trust for that, let alone for his highly misleading posts and subsequent silence.
Still, I guess I shouldn't expect any better from someone who's bezzie buddies with the crew that run BitClub Network.

[mavericklm]

Is that shortly in 2017?!?!

[sidehack]

He did come back and ask for an address to send the 1BTC to. I don't know if an address was ever given, as that was around the time Kilo was offline for a couple weeks. I know Kilo mentioned asking about trading the 1BTC for some sample chips or documentation but I can't say if that was ever addressed by BitFury.

[punin]

I am still hopeful, although if the 1 BTC bet payoff (no sign of it after over a month  ) ....

Really???
A department head of a multi million $ outfit makes a clear public bet and then welshes on paying when he loses?
Who the fuck do these people think they are?

The asshole needs red trust for that, let alone for his highly misleading posts and subsequent silence.
Still, I guess I shouldn't expect any better from someone who's bezzie buddies with the crew that run BitClub Network.

First of all the bet was personal. Second, I asked kilo17 for a BTC address for settlement, and I'm still waiting for him to provide me that address. He later on wrote in another thread that he was hoping to get chips instead.

I'm unable to send him chips, so I can't do much but wait for him to provide an address, or for him to wait until I can send some sample chips to him.

There has been a lot of speculation in this thread and I could say notfuzzy has done his homework well

I've been waiting to get some solid good info to you all, and I'm hopeful I'll be able to share it with you soon™. You have not been forgotten!

[sidehack]

Hey punin, good to see you back in the thread. Thanks for clarifying a few things.

So sample chips are out for a while. Good to know. Can I request some documentation on the chips? Pinout, voltage range and maybe a bit of info on the comm multiplexer chip would be nice. This can be taken to PM or email.

[KNK]

Pinout, voltage range and maybe a bit of info on the comm multiplexer chip would be nice. This can be taken to PM or email.

Pinout and footprint for both chips for me too if possible.

[kilo17]

I am still hopeful, although if the 1 BTC bet payoff (no sign of it after over a month  ) ....

Really???
A department head of a multi million $ outfit makes a clear public bet and then welshes on paying when he loses?
Who the fuck do these people think they are?

The asshole needs red trust for that, let alone for his highly misleading posts and subsequent silence.
Still, I guess I shouldn't expect any better from someone who's bezzie buddies with the crew that run BitClub Network.

First of all the bet was personal. Second, I asked kilo17 for a BTC address for settlement, and I'm still waiting for him to provide me that address. He later on wrote in another thread that he was hoping to get chips instead.

I'm unable to send him chips, so I can't do much but wait for him to provide an address, or for him to wait until I can send some sample chips to him.

There has been a lot of speculation in this thread and I could say notfuzzy has done his homework well

I've been waiting to get some solid good info to you all, and I'm hopeful I'll be able to share it with you soon™. You have not been forgotten!

I am more interested in the chips than the 1 BTC, I am glad to see you are around.  I may have missed you asking for my address, I apologize.  I am more interested in getting our project underway. 

[NotFuzzyWarm]

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There has been a lot of speculation in this thread and I could say notfuzzy has done his homework well

I've been waiting to get some solid good info to you all, and I'm hopeful I'll be able to share it with you soon™. You have not been forgotten!

Thanks for the complement but aside from digging up TSMC's Guidance press release it wasn't homework per se. Supplying bleeding-edge critical process equipment for over 25 years to one of the if not the largest chip packaging/contract sub-assemblies company in Taiwan gives a lot of insight on process timing and new product development cycle times along with the customer pecking order when issues like fire/flood/earthquake arise.

BitFury and others looking for boutique 16/14nm chips have invested several 10's, even maybe up to the low 100's of millions $$ to get chips made but Tier-1 customers have invested literally Billions with TSMC over the past few years so 1 guess who is first in line once a fab is back online...

That aside, rather enigmatic comment as well. Since 2Q (ref the TSMC PR) is almost 2/3 over I take it BitFury is starting to get initial pre-production/engineering sample wafers or gods forbid - full production approved wafers even if in limited numbers?

[HyperMega]

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There has been a lot of speculation in this thread and I could say notfuzzy has done his homework well

I've been waiting to get some solid good info to you all, and I'm hopeful I'll be able to share it with you soon™. You have not been forgotten!

Thanks for the complement but aside from digging up TSMC's Guidance press release it wasn't homework per se. Supplying critical process equipment for over 25 years to one of the if not the largest chip packaging/contract sub-assemblies company in Taiwan gives a lot of insight on process timing and new product development cycle times along with the customer pecking order when issues like fire/flood/earthquake arise.

BitFury and others looking for boutique 16/14nm chips have invested several 10's, even 100's of millions $$ to get chips made but Tier-1 customers have literally invested Billions with TSMC over the past few years so 1 guess who is first in line once a fab is back online...

That aside, rather enigmatic comment as well. Since 2Q (ref the TSMC PR) is almost 2/3 over I take it BitFury is starting to get initial pre-production/engineering sample wafers or gods forbid - full production approved wafers even if in limited numbers?

Hey Hey! I dug up the press release!

Not long time ago a foundry guy told me that he thinks that it is the wrong way for a foundry to hunt for the big $500M opportunities only. He said, the foundries have to take the “small” $50M opportunities seriously in the future.

The sad thing is, that $50M in 28nm wafers would be about 1000 PH!

[NotFuzzyWarm]

I agree.
Ja you were the 1st to post a link here to TSMC's PR though I think it was to their shorter one (they did 2 on the extended production recovery timeline) but I think that Punin was referring more to my posts expounding upon the implications of what TSMC said. Oh, link to my (last) post on the TSMC Guidance PR https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1291890.msg14775020#msg14775020

However when it comes to the 16/14nm nodes there are only 3 Foundries that after years of 'just around the corner' can finally do them. Excluding Intel and IBM who only make chips for themselves you have TSMC with their 16nm FinFets, and Samsung along with Global Foundries for 14nm size. Of those last 2 Samsung would REALLY rather keep production for their use only but have shown they *are* willing to shall we say dabble in boutique chips. GF... Well they finally had to license Samsung's (edit for clarity: 14nm) tech because their attempts were still not working but at least they are open to all comers.

Now 22/28nm nodes -- The big 3 have all that now very mature tech long ago paid for not to mention that those nodes are also available from several other foundries as well. Hell, even India has 2 'home-grown' 28nm Foundries that also handle the even now more mundane bigger nodes up to micron size...

edit 2: after an inquiry I did a search on India and fabs -- seems the progress on them stalled last year... Still, lots of high node fabs around ref https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants

[NotFuzzyWarm]

heh heh Just tossing this out there... https://hosteddocs.emediausa.com/foundation_ip_for_7nm_finfets_wp.pdf
And folks think the birthing of 16/14nm chips was/is painful...

As a most-basic primer on just what a FinFET is https://www.synopsys.com/COMPANY/PUBLICATIONS/SYNOPSYSINSIGHT/Pages/Art2-finfet-challenges-ip-IssQ3-12.aspx

Can't wait to see the hubbub and speculation about mining ASICs based on those nodes in the coming year(s)

edit: To those who like to talk of designing/producing a community mining ASIC using the latest and greatest node sizes -- at least skim through that to get a hint of just what is involved.