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April 25, 2016, 11:45:56 AM
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the ICO system is a faith based system.

i know who the people behind Lisk are.

some ICOs are a complete joke, with the devs hiding their identities as if they are on the FBI Most Wanted list. i can't 'invest' in people who behave like that.  

You don't need to hide your identity if you have a good lawyer from the start ... but ...wait ....
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April 25, 2016, 11:46:09 AM
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Thank you! Someone who is not an idiot. You exist!


So during next 30 days we will experience big series of moanings here that will result in nothing else but more pages in thread and driving price expectation down. Just because 90% of people here don't understand that ICOs (cryptocurrencies at all) are very high risk investments where everything may happen ;p

Good luck with controlling your emotions.

"The moon doesn't care about barking dogs."

Yep, we all bet, and bet bad. We lost. The thing is the ICO is still pretty cheap so we should still get 3-4X gains, but we're not getting 10-20X anymore that is for sure. The window for that has passed now that there has been 3 delays! No one will trust this system.

20x would have meant 140mio$ marketcap, to expect that amount from a simple crpyti-clone (which had a marketcap of 500k$) is simply childish. LISK may very well start in the range of 10-20mio$ which still would be very remarkable.
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April 25, 2016, 11:49:48 AM
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the ICO system is a faith based system.

i know who the people behind Lisk are.

some ICOs are a complete joke, with the devs hiding their identities as if they are on the FBI Most Wanted list. i can't 'invest' in people who behave like that.  

You don't need to hide your identity if you have a good lawyer from the start ... but ...wait ....

i like that Lisk has a lawyer.
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April 25, 2016, 11:54:38 AM
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Thank you! Someone who is not an idiot. You exist!


So during next 30 days we will experience big series of moanings here that will result in nothing else but more pages in thread and driving price expectation down. Just because 90% of people here don't understand that ICOs (cryptocurrencies at all) are very high risk investments where everything may happen ;p

Good luck with controlling your emotions.

"The moon doesn't care about barking dogs."

Yep, we all bet, and bet bad. We lost. The thing is the ICO is still pretty cheap so we should still get 3-4X gains, but we're not getting 10-20X anymore that is for sure. The window for that has passed now that there has been 3 delays! No one will trust this system.

20x would have meant 140mio$ marketcap, to expect that amount from a simple crpyti-clone (which had a marketcap of 500k$) is simply childish. LISK may very well start in the range of 10-20mio$ which still would be very remarkable.

which would put Lisk high up the coin list cap chart. a good start.
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April 25, 2016, 11:54:43 AM
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Two things:

-Funny that this projects talked about IoT and then exploded on 10tps. Not good.

-I'm still baffled that there is no team in place, at least an amplification of the dev team. It would be trivial to find good help on credit, since so much money will be available in a few weeks/months.

Why is this still a oneman show (on the tech side), it looks like a joke. Get more people/eyes/brains on this thing NOW.
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April 25, 2016, 11:56:56 AM
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So let's skip the FUD and discuss some bottom-line facts.

What broke the Lisk 0.1.4 network was 600 transactions in a minute or 10 transactions per second (10 tps).  

For years, Bitcoin has been limited to 7 tps until changes made to cope with its DDoS attack last year.

https://blog.blockcypher.com/a-bitcoin-spam-attack-post-mortem-s-la-ying-alive-654e914edcf4#.mypx90hpi

http://fc16.ifca.ai/bitcoin/papers/BHMW16.pdf


@liskhq : What tps figure is the new and improved Lisk 0.1.5 network designed to support?  What tps figure has been demonstrated in testing?

A major change made by BTC has been modifications in their transaction queueing system that stores excessive incoming transactions for processing during later blocktimes.   Basically they store on the machines of individual miners those transactions that cannot be processed immediately.  The miners then resubmit those transactions for processing at a later time.

What is the buffer size in Lisk 0.1.5 among the 101 Active Delegates (both in bytes and in transactions) that stores "excessive" transactions for later processing during future blocktimes?

I just quote ETH tps to make a comparison:

How many TPS does Ethereum support

between 20 tps to 45 tps. possibly more.

With CASPER and future iterations what will the block times and tps be?

1-2 second block times and 115000 tps.
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April 25, 2016, 11:57:20 AM
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Two things:

-Funny that this projects talked about IoT and then explded on 10tps. Not good.

-I'm still baffled that there is no team in place, at least an amplification of the dev team. It would be trivial to find good help on credit, since so much money will be available in a few weeks/months.

Why is this still a oneman show (on the tech side), it looks like a joke. Get more people/eyes/brains on this thing NOW.
terms of escrow make it a straight jacket. they should have incorporated first and then borrowed against btc assets to hire developers for the pre launch phase.
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April 25, 2016, 12:00:01 PM
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As a developer who has worked on dev teams for the last 17 years I know that when you need coding/whatever done to finish a project you do whatever is necessary to hire people to get it done.  Put it on a credit card, or go to a bank loan officer and show the 6million in escrow to get a loan to get more developers, anything.  We would freak out for 1 client.  For this there are hundreds of investors waiting.  

This is too long, btc halving coming up.  A release date of 4/11 would have been primo.

My last question - when has anything ever been released perfect? There are always bugs.


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April 25, 2016, 12:23:22 PM
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Catch-22.

You need to hire today right now professional developers to get this done. One man working 12 h/day will not be able to do this. The funds may be locked up in escrow and inaccessible at this time. You need to borrow real money against it and pay for real developers immediately in order to get this done.  Every blunder is a black mark ever step of the way. We are at 3 now unless some real initiative to solving these problems is displayed nearly everyone will be so quick to dump this once it goes live, and never return, you can kiss this dream goodbye.

i think its time for panic mode. this project will fail, you see it. sell your ico coins now for any price.

guys get your thinks together, the boat is sinking!!!!
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April 25, 2016, 12:25:58 PM
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When to launch?
and which exchange?
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April 25, 2016, 12:27:05 PM
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As a developer who has worked on dev teams for the last 17 years I know that when you need coding/whatever done to finish a project you do whatever is necessary to hire people to get it done.  Put it on a credit card, or go to a bank loan officer and show the 6million in escrow to get a loan to get more developers, anything.  We would freak out for 1 client.  For this there are hundreds of investors waiting.  

This is too long, btc halving coming up.  A release date of 4/11 would have been primo.

My last question - when has anything ever been released perfect? There are always bugs.



Agree +100.
Dev,please.set-up a refund for those ones interest to have btc back.since ico rulse were differents.
It's legit to ask refund if anyone is not anymore confortable with those delay. Some investor are getting nervous.
Be legit, and refund who need btc back.

Many investor invested a lot considering launch was planned on april 11, and just in WORST case(your words dev "WORST CASE"), april end.
Now it's MAY END.
Some investors are unable to invest in other crypto due to btc locked on lisk ico.


I have performed the most faster yobit ico sold out in 29 Minutes.
NEW PROJECT SOON!!!
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April 25, 2016, 12:27:53 PM
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When to launch?
and which exchange?

summer 2016
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April 25, 2016, 12:28:59 PM
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When to launch?
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summer 2016
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It's funny.
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April 25, 2016, 12:30:07 PM
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As a developer who has worked on dev teams for the last 17 years I know that when you need coding/whatever done to finish a project you do whatever is necessary to hire people to get it done.  Put it on a credit card, or go to a bank loan officer and show the 6million in escrow to get a loan to get more developers, anything.  We would freak out for 1 client.  For this there are hundreds of investors waiting.  

This is too long, btc halving coming up.  A release date of 4/11 would have been primo.

My last question - when has anything ever been released perfect? There are always bugs.



Agree +100.
Dev,please.set-up a refund for those ones interest to have btc back.since ico rulse were differents.
It's legit to ask refund if anyone is not anymore confortable with those delay. Some investor are getting nervous.
Be legit, and refund who need btc back.

Many investor invested a lot considering launch was planned on april 11, and just in WORST case(your words dev "WORST CASE"), april end.
Now it's MAY END.
Some investors are unable to invest in other crypto due to btc locked on lisk ico.


screaming refund.. refund.. refund..
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April 25, 2016, 12:30:59 PM
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Please REFUND dev!
Give investor free possibility to be refunded.

I have performed the most faster yobit ico sold out in 29 Minutes.
NEW PROJECT SOON!!!
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April 25, 2016, 12:31:22 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1450006.msg14654981#msg14654981 <popcorn>  Grin

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April 25, 2016, 12:31:40 PM
Last edit: April 25, 2016, 04:28:37 PM by LiskHQ
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"Pre-launch Development Plan

Security

To improve the overall security of accounts, we are implementing the BIP39 scheme for first and second passphrases, i.e. a string of 12 words. By additionally salting the second passphrase we are aiming to prevent rainbow table attacks. Additionally, users who are using multiple Lisk accounts with the same second passphrase will become more difficult to trace.

• Enforce mnemonic checksum (BIP39) on passphrases (1st & 2nd).
• Salting the second passphrase with the public key of the first passphrase.
• Fix recently discovered XSS attack vulnerabilities."

Dose this related to the upcoming Lisk clients only? or also to our validated ICO addresses??

I never had a second passphrase, just the 12 word key I generated during the ICO


The "12 word key" generated during the ICO IS your first passphrase. The second passphrase is optional and can be configured later in the client against a small network fee. The words in the "12 word key" are called mnemonics. The checksum makes sure that the specific format (12 words) are used. The generated passphrases during the ICO already follow this principle, which is explained in the BIP39 (Bitcoin Improvement Proposal #39).

So you don't need to worry about anything. All is OK. If you ask yourself why we do this. I saw MANY passphrases cracked at Nxt, because people chose easily passphrases. The BIP39 passphrases are extremely secure and uncrackable in the next centuries. Wink


Also shouldnt they have tested it before and then announce a date? I feel like this is going to be the most dissapointing ico of 2016.

We thought that the Crypti code base would be more robust. We already implemented a lot of improvements and Lisk is not just a Crypti fork anymore. It's a completely new "beast" now. Smiley


"As planned", "Delay", "promised release date",…

Am I the only one remembering that all given dates before were ESTIMATIONS? They never promised anything, up until now. May 24th is the FIRST release date that they are firm on.

Correct.


So let's skip the FUD and discuss some bottom-line facts.

What broke the Lisk 0.1.4 network was 600 transactions in a minute or 10 transactions per second (10 tps).  

For years, Bitcoin has been limited to 7 tps until changes made to cope with its DDoS attack last year.

https://blog.blockcypher.com/a-bitcoin-spam-attack-post-mortem-s-la-ying-alive-654e914edcf4#.mypx90hpi

http://fc16.ifca.ai/bitcoin/papers/BHMW16.pdf


@liskhq : What tps figure is the new and improved Lisk 0.1.5 network designed to support?  What tps figure has been demonstrated in testing?

A major change made by BTC has been modifications in their transaction queueing system that stores excessive incoming transactions for processing during later blocktimes.   Basically they store on the machines of individual miners those transactions that cannot be processed immediately.  The miners then resubmit those transactions for processing at a later time.

What is the buffer size in Lisk 0.1.5 among the 101 Active Delegates (both in bytes and in transactions) that stores "excessive" transactions for later processing during future blocktimes?

We successfully tested 3 full rounds with 50tx per block, i.e. 16200tx per hour. We are certain that later on there is much more upside potential. We are just taking the more reliable/secure route right now and set the limit to 25tx per block. The new version will be 0.2.0 because it's quite a big update.

Regarding the "buffer size" which is called payload in Lisk, I'm not 100% certain. Better ask Oliver later on the Lisk Chat or forum. However, a regular transaction requires 117 bytes (without 2nd passphrase). The payload maximum size is currently 1MB. That means (1024*1024)/117=8962 tx. This can obviously be increased. As I said, better ask Oliver for this. Smiley


I just quote ETH tps to make a comparison:

How many TPS does Ethereum support

between 20 tps to 45 tps. possibly more.

With CASPER and future iterations what will the block times and tps be?

1-2 second block times and 115000 tps.

You know it's marketing. Same as BitShares 100000 tps and in the end they can handle 1000 tps. Our numbers look small in that regard right now, but (1) much volume will happen on our sidechains only and (2) we will gradually increase our supported tps. Smiley

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April 25, 2016, 12:36:08 PM
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Two things:

-Funny that this projects talked about IoT and then exploded on 10tps. Not good.

-I'm still baffled that there is no team in place, at least an amplification of the dev team. It would be trivial to find good help on credit, since so much money will be available in a few weeks/months.

Why is this still a oneman show (on the tech side), it looks like a joke. Get more people/eyes/brains on this thing NOW.

yes i am little bit worried about this too. you should have hired developers as soon as ico was over wasnt like they asking payment upfront. also this exploded on 10tps only thats a bit worrying. i think it was great it happened now if it happened after launch this would fall faster than a hooker knickers. also it was 2 years in the making why now was it not tested before am kind of worried because you worked on something for 2 years and it collapsed  and you rushing it to be fixed in a matter of weeks hope no more problems or weakness arise. this is gonna get alot of people spooked and the fud now is gonna be terriblle where is cannabanna when you need him.

if anyone is wanting to sell their lisk ico funds PM me.
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April 25, 2016, 12:40:29 PM
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I'm here to buy shares of all these idiots that wants to give up.

Please idiots feel free to PM me I'll buy ur shares.


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April 25, 2016, 12:43:35 PM
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Please REFUND dev!
Give investor free possibility to be refunded.

I'll buy ur shares and stop your shity FUD
Come on brave man. Pm ne
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