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September 24, 2013, 12:57:38 AM
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Could what happened to BTC.TC also happen with Havelock? What is the legal situation in Canada regarding virtual exchanges?

We don't know exactly whhy BTC-TC decided to close operations, only what's been mentioned on the threads.  We're still having ongoing discussions with our legal team in order to keep Havelock operational.

As an off-side was talking with Milo from Emgateway and was wondering if your legal team is running into similar issues.
As a recommendation sometimes it makes more sense to get it going then work on the regulators  Smiley
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September 24, 2013, 12:22:10 PM
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Could what happened to BTC.TC also happen with Havelock? What is the legal situation in Canada regarding virtual exchanges?

We don't know exactly whhy BTC-TC decided to close operations, only what's been mentioned on the threads.  We're still having ongoing discussions with our legal team in order to keep Havelock operational.

As an off-side was talking with Milo from Emgateway and was wondering if your legal team is running into similar issues.
As a recommendation sometimes it makes more sense to get it going then work on the regulators  Smiley

We don't actually know what BTC-TC's issues were so I can't even say if they are similar. 

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September 25, 2013, 09:16:28 AM
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We're still having ongoing discussions with our legal team in order to keep Havelock operational.

so it could be your legals advise you to close your operations?

it seems that at least in the USA these types of exchangs  are explicitly illegal, so maybe you should take some action on that like blocking USA's ip addresses?
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September 25, 2013, 11:39:41 AM
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We're still having ongoing discussions with our legal team in order to keep Havelock operational.

so it could be your legals advise you to close your operations?

it seems that at least in the USA these types of exchangs  are explicitly illegal, so maybe you should take some action on that like blocking USA's ip addresses?

We're going to wait and see what our legal team says before taking any action.  Our goal is obviously to keep Havelock operational.

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September 25, 2013, 11:52:08 AM
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We're still having ongoing discussions with our legal team in order to keep Havelock operational.

so it could be your legals advise you to close your operations?

it seems that at least in the USA these types of exchangs  are explicitly illegal, so maybe you should take some action on that like blocking USA's ip addresses?

We're going to wait and see what our legal team says before taking any action.  Our goal is obviously to keep Havelock operational.

Don't keep us in uncertainty too long!
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September 25, 2013, 06:43:09 PM
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Hi Havelock,

just opened an account with you to participate on NEOBEE IPVO. Got one guestion. If for whatever reason anything happen with your exchange and it dissapears tomorow. How could I prove that I am the owner of NEOBEE shares? BitFunder has its assets list which is very transparent. I didn't find anything like that on your website.

Thanks for clarification a keep up the good work!
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September 25, 2013, 08:39:13 PM
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Hi Havelock,

just opened an account with you to participate on NEOBEE IPVO. Got one guestion. If for whatever reason anything happen with your exchange and it dissapears tomorow. How could I prove that I am the owner of NEOBEE shares? BitFunder has its assets list which is very transparent. I didn't find anything like that on your website.

Thanks for clarification a keep up the good work!

Such an asset list would also be a good addition to the Havelock site!
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September 25, 2013, 09:37:38 PM
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Hi Havelock,

just opened an account with you to participate on NEOBEE IPVO. Got one guestion. If for whatever reason anything happen with your exchange and it dissapears tomorow. How could I prove that I am the owner of NEOBEE shares? BitFunder has its assets list which is very transparent. I didn't find anything like that on your website.

Thanks for clarification a keep up the good work!

Such an asset list would also be a good addition to the Havelock site!

Each issuer has a unitholder list.  They know which user has which number of units.

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September 25, 2013, 10:01:21 PM
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lightbox/Havelock, I want to move my ASICMINER shares  from BTC.TC to Havelock.

Can you provide me instruction on how to expedite this?

Thank YOU!
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September 25, 2013, 10:50:43 PM
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lightbox/Havelock, I want to move my ASICMINER shares  from BTC.TC to Havelock.

Can you provide me instruction on how to expedite this?

Thank YOU!

Havelock doesn't run the AM-PT, but ThickAsThieves does.

He tells you how to move shares in this thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300776.0

Warning, read very carefully and follow all instructions.
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September 26, 2013, 06:16:54 AM
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Hi Havelock,

just opened an account with you to participate on NEOBEE IPVO. Got one guestion. If for whatever reason anything happen with your exchange and it dissapears tomorow. How could I prove that I am the owner of NEOBEE shares? BitFunder has its assets list which is very transparent. I didn't find anything like that on your website.

Thanks for clarification a keep up the good work!

Such an asset list would also be a good addition to the Havelock site!

Each issuer has a unitholder list.  They know which user has which number of units.

Ok, but how do they identify me? Just by my login so I have to keep my login as safe as private key to my public adress at BitFunder? Didn't read anything about that on your website. How often is unitholder list updated?
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September 26, 2013, 11:45:49 AM
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Hi Havelock,

just opened an account with you to participate on NEOBEE IPVO. Got one guestion. If for whatever reason anything happen with your exchange and it dissapears tomorow. How could I prove that I am the owner of NEOBEE shares? BitFunder has its assets list which is very transparent. I didn't find anything like that on your website.

Thanks for clarification a keep up the good work!

Such an asset list would also be a good addition to the Havelock site!

Each issuer has a unitholder list.  They know which user has which number of units.

Ok, but how do they identify me? Just by my login so I have to keep my login as safe as private key to my public adress at BitFunder? Didn't read anything about that on your website. How often is unitholder list updated?

They identify you by your email address.  They'll contact you if there is a need for a migration to another platform. It's updated in real-time.

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September 26, 2013, 12:19:56 PM
Last edit: September 26, 2013, 12:43:33 PM by Jay84
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Hi Havelock,

just opened an account with you to participate on NEOBEE IPVO. Got one guestion. If for whatever reason anything happen with your exchange and it dissapears tomorow. How could I prove that I am the owner of NEOBEE shares? BitFunder has its assets list which is very transparent. I didn't find anything like that on your website.

Thanks for clarification a keep up the good work!

Such an asset list would also be a good addition to the Havelock site!

Each issuer has a unitholder list.  They know which user has which number of units.

Ok, but how do they identify me? Just by my login so I have to keep my login as safe as private key to my public adress at BitFunder? Didn't read anything about that on your website. How often is unitholder list updated?

They identify you by your email address.  They'll contact you if there is a need for a migration to another platform. It's updated in real-time.

Thanks. One more question. Don't you think, it would be much safer to run the same public asset list as BF does? Identifying just by email is pretty risky and less practicable. In case of public adress registration, issuer may pay dividends even if he is not able to identify/contact shareholder, which is great because if the shareholder does not know about havelock shut down or for whatever reason may not regularly check his email, he gets what belongs to him anyway. It could save a lot of trouble for both, shareholder and issuer. In my view, this should be standard in this industry.  
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September 26, 2013, 02:52:34 PM
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Thanks. One more question. Don't you think, it would be much safer to run the same public asset list as BF does? Identifying just by email is pretty risky and less practicable. In case of public adress registration, issuer may pay dividends even if he is not able to identify/contact shareholder, which is great because if the shareholder does not know about havelock shut down or for whatever reason may not regularly check his email, he gets what belongs to him anyway. It could save a lot of trouble for both, shareholder and issuer. In my view, this should be standard in this industry.  


not only that, but it would also guard you against your email provider  suddenly closing, like it recently happened with lavabit
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September 26, 2013, 03:41:44 PM
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Thanks. One more question. Don't you think, it would be much safer to run the same public asset list as BF does? Identifying just by email is pretty risky and less practicable. In case of public adress registration, issuer may pay dividends even if he is not able to identify/contact shareholder, which is great because if the shareholder does not know about havelock shut down or for whatever reason may not regularly check his email, he gets what belongs to him anyway. It could save a lot of trouble for both, shareholder and issuer. In my view, this should be standard in this industry.  


not only that, but it would also guard you against your email provider  suddenly closing, like it recently happened with lavabit

As a manager, this is actually a good idea. As was noted, I already have access to everyone's email address, but some of those addresses are corporate (or domain) based, some are typical yahoo/gmail, and others just seem random. If a user's email is compromised, deleted, or their access is otherwise forfeited, I'd have no other way to get in touch with them. Having the option for a user to tie a Bitcoin address they control (outside of Havelock) to their account could make life a bit easier.

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September 26, 2013, 10:56:32 PM
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Hello everyone, just an update on Havleock Investments and the ongoing legal uncertainty in the bitcoin world.
We are still working with our legal team to get our affairs in order and have been told we will have information with which to move forward next week.  We'll be letting everyone know on Thursday October 3rd.
To all the fund managers who have contacted us inquiring about listing, we thank you for your interest and will be able to give some definite answers next Thursday.
Thanks for your time.

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September 28, 2013, 03:23:33 AM
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Thursday October 3rd.

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October 02, 2013, 05:01:10 AM
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Hi everyone,  this maintenance window tonight is going to take much longer than anticipated unfortunately... probably well into tomorrow, I will post here with updates when I have them.  My apologies for the downtime...

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October 07, 2013, 05:11:01 PM
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Hello everyone, just an update on Havleock Investments and the ongoing legal uncertainty in the bitcoin world.
We are still working with our legal team to get our affairs in order and have been told we will have information with which to move forward next week.  We'll be letting everyone know on Thursday October 3rd.
To all the fund managers who have contacted us inquiring about listing, we thank you for your interest and will be able to give some definite answers next Thursday.
Thanks for your time.

The site was down for the week due to that hack, can you post the announcement that was due Oct 3rd Smiley
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October 07, 2013, 08:56:22 PM
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We have discussed with our lawyers our situation and options for us to proceed in setting up Havelock as a long-term viable enterprise.  We are now pursuing these options, but cannot provide a firm time frame as of now.  We were hoping that we could be more specific but this is all the information we can provide at this time.

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