280 BTC total bets between Micon and mrb (are BFL ASICs real?)

[Gatekeeper]

i'm not involved in any of this, but what i do know is, if i was running a company and had customers asking what is going on and i had received the chips finally, i'd be excited and keen to get some pictures in and show them off, such a simple thing, a couple of photos and what it would do for your company in terms of trust and profile, to not show any photos at all only has negative effects.

[smoothie]

i'm not involved in any of this, but what i do know is, if i was running a company and had customers asking what is going on and i had received the chips finally, i'd be excited and keen to get some pictures in and show them off, such a simple thing, a couple of photos and what it would do for your company in terms of trust and profile, to not show any photos at all only has negative effects.

Very well said.

Taking pictures would be the first request I would have the bumping facility do.

1. Take pictures of chips.

2. Send to BFL.

3. BFL posts to internet.

BFL could even pay them $100 per hour to do that simple task. 2 hours tops to do that...even if a monkey with a camera had to do it.

BFL is obviously not in control of the chips or the money that was sent to produce the chips or the people who have the chips.

Pix would have been posted by now.


Today is Feb 22, 2013. If i remember correctly their timeline was to ship the week of Feb 17th. Well that timeline one went out the window.

[smoothie]

Not at all.  The bumping is being done by a 3rd party company in California, and no BFL reps are over there.  How could they expect to take pictures of the process or the chips?

Are you under the assumption Bryan is rational and able to think above a 2nd grade level?  That would be your first mistake if so... Bryan is emotionally and mentally at the stage of "The wold revolves around me and I will throw a fit when people don't do what I think they should do." (This is the same stage most 8 - 10 year old are at)  Just check out his conspiracy theories about how there's a world wide cabal of people working to stymie his reddit posts.

How's that investigation going Bryan, did you uncover anything yet?  You have yet to answer Bryan.  Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it? 

It is not Bryan that needs to prove anything. It is the 6000 Ton elephant business that has taken millions in preorder money and nothing to show for it but empty boxes with fans.

No pix, no proof, nothing. Just sweet talking, ad spamming, forum trolling, pre-order money taking monkey business from BFL and yourself.

[Inaba]

Not at all.  The bumping is being done by a 3rd party company in California, and no BFL reps are over there.  How could they expect to take pictures of the process or the chips?

Are you under the assumption Bryan is rational and able to think above a 2nd grade level?  That would be your first mistake if so... Bryan is emotionally and mentally at the stage of "The wold revolves around me and I will throw a fit when people don't do what I think they should do." (This is the same stage most 8 - 10 year old are at)  Just check out his conspiracy theories about how there's a world wide cabal of people working to stymie his reddit posts.

How's that investigation going Bryan, did you uncover anything yet?  You have yet to answer Bryan.  Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it? 

I can only imagine what the harmonious home life of Josh Zerlan is like,  I'm sure it involves mostly green tea, meditation, and Oprah's Master Class on DVR.

Here is a talking point:

 Butterfly Labs refuses to take digital pictures of their ASIC chips, now in the USA.  Josh Zerlan cites oddities like "BFL reps are not on site," as if the not 1 person in the bumping facility has a smartphone.  How can customers accept the fact that there are 0 pictures of the super-mining chips, 1 week after they arrived at the facility?

And this is why you are a failed poker player and not running a successful business.  You are simply unable to understand simple concepts, which is a prerequisite to being able to function in every day society, something you clearly have not mastered yet.

By the way Bryan, how's that investigation going, did you uncover anything yet?  You have yet to answer this, Bryan.  Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it? 

[kayrice]

Josh, would you be willing to let someone in California take a picture at the facility?

[Inaba]

Not at all.  The bumping is being done by a 3rd party company in California, and no BFL reps are over there.  How could they expect to take pictures of the process or the chips?

Are you under the assumption Bryan is rational and able to think above a 2nd grade level?  That would be your first mistake if so... Bryan is emotionally and mentally at the stage of "The wold revolves around me and I will throw a fit when people don't do what I think they should do." (This is the same stage most 8 - 10 year old are at)  Just check out his conspiracy theories about how there's a world wide cabal of people working to stymie his reddit posts.

How's that investigation going Bryan, did you uncover anything yet?  You have yet to answer Bryan.  Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it?  

I can only imagine what the harmonious home life of Josh Zerlan is like,  I'm sure it involves mostly green tea, meditation, and Oprah's Master Class on DVR.

Here is a talking point:

 Butterfly Labs refuses to take digital pictures of their ASIC chips, now in the USA.  Josh Zerlan cites oddities like "BFL reps are not on site," as if the not 1 person in the bumping facility has a smartphone.  How can customers accept the fact that there are 0 pictures of the super-mining chips, 1 week after they arrived at the facility?

And this is why you are a failed poker player and not running a successful business.  You are simply unable to understand simple concepts, which is a prerequisite to being able to function in every day society, something you clearly have not mastered yet.

By the way Bryan, how's that investigation going, did you uncover anything yet?  You have yet to answer this, Bryan.  Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it?  

What's a matter big boy?  can't bet me 20 coins on your own words?   or does BFL only pay you once per scam at the end? Do you not have the mental capacity of a third grader to understand how I offered you a bet based on your own stupid, liar words from your stupid, liar mouth?   Oh, i get it, you are going to play the big-shot, try and push internet kids around and get them to buy your fan boxes, then talk shit to anyone who puts up a legitimate argument.  

With regards to betting on your own words, I will gladly bet you 20 BTC on my own words, immediately after you bet me 2000 BTC or even 100 BTC on YOUR own words, which you continually refuse to do.

So, I would still like to know how that investigation going, did you uncover anything yet?  You have yet to answer this, Bryan.  Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it?    Hitting a little too close to home for you, Bryan?

This is just absolutely epic:

All my words are truth without proof to back them up, and all your words are false even though you do back them up with facts and links and proof.

You don't even see how ludicrous your statements are.  I can't believe you even typed those words, you are CreativeX level of stupid, that is absolutely amazing.

[casascius]

FWIW this argument reflects well on neither of you in my view.  Just sayin'.

[Zedster]

FWIW this argument reflects well on neither of you in my view.  Just sayin'.

So true this is pathetic from both sides for a long.  Neither of them have the balls to just ignore the other and wait to see what time brings.  Or to take it somewhere private and work it out like men.

Now if what I have said provokes a rude response I think the my point is proven.  Both of ya relax for a few days.  Must be better stuff to do?

[mufa23]

FWIW this argument reflects well on neither of you in my view.  Just sayin'.

This with the force of a thousand suns

[Raoul Duke]

Or to take it somewhere private and work it out like men.

Thanks for that horrible image.  Gonna have nightmares now. 

[Zedster]

Or to take it somewhere private and work it out like men.

Thanks for that horrible image.  Gonna have nightmares now. 

LOL sorry bout that

[BTCOnetime]

this whole thing is so absurd, and I feel absolutely awful for the people who spent their money on these non-existent ASIC's....there's no proof, there's no evidence, and there's no legitimate answers to anything, it's just ridiculous.  I give up, science bless you all...

[Zedster]

this whole thing is so absurd, and I feel absolutely awful for the people who spent their money on these non-existent ASIC's....there's no proof, there's no evidence, and there's no legitimate answers to anything, it's just ridiculous.  I give up, science bless you all...

And yet another pot stirrer.  <continues lurking>

[Micon]

Not at all.  The bumping is being done by a 3rd party company in California, and no BFL reps are over there.  How could they expect to take pictures of the process or the chips?

Are you under the assumption Bryan is rational and able to think above a 2nd grade level?  That would be your first mistake if so... Bryan is emotionally and mentally at the stage of "The wold revolves around me and I will throw a fit when people don't do what I think they should do." (This is the same stage most 8 - 10 year old are at)  Just check out his conspiracy theories about how there's a world wide cabal of people working to stymie his reddit posts.

How's that investigation going Bryan, did you uncover anything yet?  You have yet to answer Bryan.  Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it?  

I can only imagine what the harmonious home life of Josh Zerlan is like,  I'm sure it involves mostly green tea, meditation, and Oprah's Master Class on DVR.

Here is a talking point:

 Butterfly Labs refuses to take digital pictures of their ASIC chips, now in the USA.  Josh Zerlan cites oddities like "BFL reps are not on site," as if the not 1 person in the bumping facility has a smartphone.  How can customers accept the fact that there are 0 pictures of the super-mining chips, 1 week after they arrived at the facility?

And this is why you are a failed poker player and not running a successful business.  You are simply unable to understand simple concepts, which is a prerequisite to being able to function in every day society, something you clearly have not mastered yet.

By the way Bryan, how's that investigation going, did you uncover anything yet?  You have yet to answer this, Bryan.  Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it?  

[doing this reply in Josh Zerlan style]

Everyone with 1/3 brain knows that Josh Zerlan is a pedophile.   I personally would never do business with an un-educated kid toucher like Josh Zerlan, but if you guys want to place a pre-order, it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he is involved in child pornography and animal torture.  That's on you if you buy from him.

What's a matter big boy?  can't bet me 20 coins on your own words?   or does BFL only pay you once per scam at the end? Do you not have the mental capacity of a third grader to understand how I offered you a bet based on your own stupid, liar words from your stupid, liar mouth?   Oh, i get it, you are going to play the big-shot, try and push internet kids around and get them to buy your fan boxes, then talk shit to anyone who puts up a legitimate argument.  

A pedophile, huh?  You are pretty pathetic, I must say.

With regards to betting on your own words, I will gladly bet you 20 BTC on my own words, immediately after you bet me 2000 BTC or even 100 BTC on YOUR own words, which you continually refuse to do.

So, I would still like to know how that investigation going, did you uncover anything yet?  You have yet to answer this, Bryan.  Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it?  Are you so full of rage that you are now playing the pedophile card?  Hitting a little too close to home for you, Bryan?

This is just absolutely epic:

All my words are truth without proof to back them up, and all your words are false even though you do back them up with facts and links and proof.

You don't even see how ludicrous your statements are.  I can't believe you even typed those words, you are CreativeX level of stupid, that is absolutely amazing.

even though Inaba already quoted it, Theymos decided to delete my latest post and send me a PM.  Lolz at the pro-BFL forum.  I guess I'm just going to have to start my own with these guys at the helm here:

This is excessive.

Not at all.  The bumping is being done by a 3rd party company in California, and no BFL reps are over there.  How could they expect to take pictures of the process or the chips?

Are you under the assumption Bryan is rational and able to think above a 2nd grade level?  That would be your first mistake if so... Bryan is emotionally and mentally at the stage of "The wold revolves around me and I will throw a fit when people don't do what I think they should do." (This is the same stage most 8 - 10 year old are at)  Just check out his conspiracy theories about how there's a world wide cabal of people working to stymie his reddit posts.

How's that investigation going Bryan, did you uncover anything yet?  You have yet to answer Bryan.  Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it? 

I can only imagine what the harmonious home life of Josh Zerlan is like,  I'm sure it involves mostly green tea, meditation, and Oprah's Master Class on DVR.

Here is a talking point:

 Butterfly Labs refuses to take digital pictures of their ASIC chips, now in the USA.  Josh Zerlan cites oddities like "BFL reps are not on site," as if the not 1 person in the bumping facility has a smartphone.  How can customers accept the fact that there are 0 pictures of the super-mining chips, 1 week after they arrived at the facility?

And this is why you are a failed poker player and not running a successful business.  You are simply unable to understand simple concepts, which is a prerequisite to being able to function in every day society, something you clearly have not mastered yet.

By the way Bryan, how's that investigation going, did you uncover anything yet?  You have yet to answer this, Bryan.  Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it? 

[doing this reply in Josh Zerlan style]

Everyone with 1/3 brain knows that Josh Zerlan is a pedophile.   I personally would never do business with an un-educated kid toucher like Josh Zerlan, but if you guys want to place a pre-order, it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he is involved in child pornography and animal torture.  That's on you if you buy from him.

What's a matter big boy?  can't bet me 20 coins on your own words?   or does BFL only pay you once per scam at the end? Do you not have the mental capacity of a third grader to understand how I offered you a bet based on your own stupid, liar words from your stupid, liar mouth?   Oh, i get it, you are going to play the big-shot, try and push internet kids around and get them to buy your fan boxes, then talk shit to anyone who puts up a legitimate argument.  

All my words are truth without proof to back them up, and all your words are false even though you do back them up with facts and links and proof.

[Micon]

[image is courtesy of JoshZerlan.com]

[Micon]

this whole thing is so absurd, and I feel absolutely awful for the people who spent their money on these non-existent ASIC's....there's no proof, there's no evidence, and there's no legitimate answers to anything, it's just ridiculous.  I give up, science bless you all...

Clearly a solid pot-stirrer.  Well played IMO.  Pot is already exploding.

Josh, would you be willing to let someone in California take a picture at the facility?

whoa!! there's another one Josh Zerlan won't reply to.  This thread, for him, is about trolling me.

FWIW this argument reflects well on neither of you in my view.  Just sayin'.

Agreed, and the words are strongest coming from Mike.  I refuse to let Zerlan come in this thread and bully me around, all the while protected by the mods.  It's pretty clear I have to monitor this thread, as I have ~ $5k+ in booked bets and I am actively seeking more.  Josh has no business here, but he has free-run of the forums from the mods, so it is what it is - I won't let him post insult after insult to me here in this thread without replying with the same, boring facts about the current stage of BFL.   He never wanted to bet in this thread - that is clear - he just wanted to troll, so as he does he will get re-trolled much, much harder.  You have to stand up to a bully IMO.

[Inaba]

See there you go lying again, Micon.  You can't help yourself, can you?

I will bet you 2000 BTC or even 100 BTC, but you continue to waffle and refuse.  Go on, prove me wrong.  Bet me 100 BTC.  Stop with all these caveats and loopholes you keep inserting into your bets. Back up your words, be a man.  But we both know you're just a pathetic little boy trying to play in the big kids playground. 

I would still like to know how that investigation going, did you uncover anything yet?  You have yet to answer this, Bryan.  Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it?

[Micon]

See there you go lying again, Micon.  You can't help yourself, can you?

I will bet you 2000 BTC or even 100 BTC, but you continue to waffle and refuse.  Go on, prove me wrong.  Bet me 100 BTC.  Stop with all these caveats and loopholes you keep inserting into your bets. Back up your words, be a man.  But we both know you're just a pathetic little boy trying to play in the big kids playground.  

I would still like to know how that investigation going, did you uncover anything yet?  You have yet to answer this, Bryan.  Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it?

Hi Josh!  How is work going today? busy?

1)  I hereby once again challenge Josh Zerlan to a 20 coin wager that BFL will not deliver 3+ ASICs by 3/20/2013.   I am willing to bet you up to 20 coins based on your offical BFL Asic Status post:  https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html  that you will deliver 3+ verified ASIC orders that meet your specs of 350+ mhash/joule by 3/20/2013.  

2)  I am not interested in any other offer.  SysRun has agreed to bet me on these terms, and I have requested escrow codes.  Since you have been trolling, I have booked a 50 coin bet (25 each) with the strike date of 4/1.  Even if I think you are running a total scam, which I do, this bet is a much better bet for me:  I get paid faster, and it's what the market dictates ATM.  I would lose this bet if your words from #1 are true, but you and I both know that's not the case.

3) http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201301/are-you-being-manipulated-social-puppeteer    

this is under "The Self-Centered/Narcissist" and it describes Josh Zerlan perfectly:

The self-centered, self-absorbed narcissist needs an adoring audience to fawn over them - ever pliant. There is no shortage of these individuals, including those who will fall for them and whatever it is they are peddling. Whether it is a new way of doing business (think Enron), a new religion (think Jonestown, Guyana), or a superior empire (Third Reich). The self-centered/narcissistic personality needs a willing audience to manipulate, no matter how small, so long as they are blindly obedient and deferential. As such, the narcissist often chooses a profession, guild, organization, occupation, or a job where he or she can manipulate others or the system like a puppeteer. Through their words and actions, intended to impress and seduce, they control lives, thoughts, and perceptions to achieve their objective.

They pull on your strings to make you believe in them, follow them, and act on their behalf. Their grandiosity and sense of entitlement has no bounds which, when coupled with their ability to manipulate others, shocks us. They can be arrested snorting coke but still get reelected (e.g., Marion Barry); in high office they get charged with corruption yet manage to snag television time (think of Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich; they start wars with the ease of one starting a shower (think Saddam Hussein), or they become captains of industry (e.g., Jeffrey Skilling), at the expense of those who must be servile at all times to them.

In interpersonal relationships, they are always performing perception management so that they come out on top. In a personal setting, at home, spouses pay a heavy price. When they can no longer tolerate their self-centered husband or wife any more, they realize that all they have to show for their efforts and dedications is exhaustion and the feeling that they were used. They have little to show for their loyalty and unwavering fidelity, which was at times exacted from them, and there is no sense that they were ever truly appreciated.

[Inaba]

I hereby once again challenge Bryan Micon to a 100 BTC or 2000 BTC (or any number in between) wager that BFL will deliver ASICs in 2013 in escrow.

The end date is given just to satisfy the bet conclusion.  Bryan has stated repeatedly that BFL is a scam and under that claim, it is logical to assume that BFL would not ship ASICs at any time, be it 2013, 2014 or 2015 etc...  Therefore, a wager of 100 BTC to 2000 BTC to validate his claim is on offer.

Furthermore, I have offered to escrow the funds in advance for this wager.  To this date Bryan Micon has refused to back up his claim that BFL is a scam.  To this date Bryan Micon has been unable to produce any evidence that BFL is a scam, yes Bryan Micon continues to make this claim but refuses to bet on it.

Bryan, your claim is that BFL is a scam.  Your claim is NOT, and I must repeat this because you seem to conveniently forget it, it is NOT that BFL won't ship before a given date, but is otherwise a legitimate company.  Therefore your terms and conditions are fallacious and disingenuous, and thus I will not accept them until such time as you accept the 100 - 2000 BTC wager.  After such time as you accept the wager 100BTC - 2000 BTC wager I will gladly accept your wager of 20 BTC with all your caveats.  First prove to me that you aren't lying about your claims by backing them up with a wager, until then you are just a dishonest little white trash boy who makes claims he can't back up.

[mrb]

becoin, can you send me the escrow code that casascius generated for you

I'm sorry, mrb, but I've deleted those PM's the same day I received them. I've warned you I'm not gonna play the little game of a betting junkie!

I'm not too familiar with casascius escrow tools but as far as I know you should be able to collect your funds by getting those codes from the escrow agent (casascius)? If he has also deleted his PM sent to me and lost them then your only chance is to contact forum admin and try to recover the deleted PM? Hopefully they keep some archive of all deleted PMs.

I will accept this as an indicator I should divulge the code:

einvbGg87t4Bxhiz82vs5tMmscvVpu84RM59Ts3dS9Hyvp9tVUcgN8NQvnRojkxy35zQzjxE8cgHamf GRQeDzu6C55rGnAMvN8DW8Z5rWH

einvbGg87t4Bxhiz82vs5tMmscvVpu84RM59Ts3dS9Hyvp9tVUcgN8NQv
nRojkxy35zQzjxE8cgHamfGRQeDzu6C55rGnAMvN8DW8Z5rWH

normally I would do this in private, but I don't anticipate public posting of this to be a security concern (it's 0.1 BTC at worst if it were, and only an issue if the other two codes were also public) I just wanted the process to be publicly visible just so others can understand my tool.

(both are the same code, I have just split one into two lines just in case the forum inserts invisible garbage in the one due to length... it must be rejoined as a single line to be used)

Thanks, I recovered the coins.