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June 18, 2016, 12:14:21 AM
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I understand you want to enforce some self-regulation and discipline in altcoins, but please note I think that regulation is self-defeating. We can agree to disagree. I am an anarchist.

I'm an anarchist as well, and never mentioned or would advocate for regulation. People should have the freedom to make mistakes or lie to others and I should have the freedom to call them out on it and warn others.
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June 18, 2016, 12:15:57 AM
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I understand you want to enforce some self-regulation and discipline in altcoins, but please note I think that regulation is self-defeating. We can agree to disagree. I am an anarchist.

I'm an anarchist as well, and never mentioned or would advocate for regulation. People should have the freedom to make mistakes or lie to others and I should have the freedom to call them out on it and warn others.

Ok cool. Smiley
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June 18, 2016, 02:25:32 AM
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One of the interesting side effects here, is that while regular contracts need lawyers to check them for loopholes, now smart contracts need coders-hackers-security specialists to check them for code exploits...
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June 18, 2016, 02:38:51 AM
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I understand you want to enforce some self-regulation and discipline in altcoins, but please note I think that regulation is self-defeating. We can agree to disagree. I am an anarchist.

I'm an anarchist as well, and never mentioned or would advocate for regulation. People should have the freedom to make mistakes or lie to others and I should have the freedom to call them out on it and warn others.

Ok cool. Smiley

To clarify that was not me writing on a sock puppet, but reading it I thought it was Smiley
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June 18, 2016, 03:29:32 AM
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Plot thickens?


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June 19, 2016, 06:46:55 AM
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One of the interesting side effects here, is that while regular contracts need lawyers to check them for loopholes, now smart contracts need coders-hackers-security specialists to check them for code exploits...

Are you saying that there's no such thing as a "free ride?"

 Grin
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June 19, 2016, 06:54:32 AM
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Inside job = contradictio in terminis.

- You can figure out what will happen, not when /Warren Buffett
- Pay any Bitcoin address privately with a little help of Monero:
 on your mark, get set, go!
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June 19, 2016, 07:00:35 AM
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Like the dude said ---  Crypto breaks all the rules.....
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June 20, 2016, 12:32:28 PM
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Paradox:

DAO was NOT hacked, rather smart contracted.

Known public before:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1504662.0


The flaw is in the EVM (huh?):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1516067.msg15288371#msg15288371


And manny people still think DAO and/or ETH can Hype further....

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June 20, 2016, 12:35:22 PM
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Paradox:

DAO was NOT hacked, rather smart contracted.

Known public before:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1504662.0


The flaw is in the EVM (huh?):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1516067.msg15288371#msg15288371

Note I expounded on that:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1505886.msg15285734#msg15285734
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1517223.msg15289207#msg15289207
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June 20, 2016, 12:37:07 PM
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Sometimes you cannot say it often enough.... hope it helps this time.

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June 20, 2016, 02:17:26 PM
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As we warned, Ethereum's design broke Nash equilibrium.

I don't think it's funny, it's savvy. A coder found an exploit and took advantage of it. Let's stop this good samaritan bullshit, if you had 3M ether you would travel, do anything you wanted really. You wouldn't have an aristocratic sense to return it, lol.

I would return them...

I would return them too.

That is because you n00bs don't understand that when you break Nash equilibrium, then you destroy your block chain forever:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1515550.msg15292630#msg15292630
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June 20, 2016, 02:30:46 PM
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More accurate meta description is updated. The previous description was so inaccurate it borders on criminal negligence and fraud!

https://github.com/ethereum/ethereum-org/pull/264/files?diff=split



Thank you Eric Lombrozo, you are an asset to our and Eth investor community!
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June 20, 2016, 03:14:15 PM
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More accurate meta description is updated. The previous description was so inaccurate it borders on criminal negligence and fraud!

https://github.com/ethereum/ethereum-org/pull/264/files?diff=split



Thank you Eric Lombrozo, you are an asset to our and Eth investor community!

Actually making the change now without citing the date of effect can be construed as fraudulent activity to suppress the evidence of a crime after the fact.

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June 20, 2016, 03:26:32 PM
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Actually making the change now without citing the date of effect can be construed as fraudulent activity to suppress the evidence of a crime after the fact.

Ridiculous.

First, Eric is a Bitcoin Core Developer , not an ethereum one, thus is merely doing a service to educate the general community.

Secondly, Github keeps a clear history, thus any lawyers can still clearly see the transition and prosecute those like Tual or other ETh devs who have falsely lied or misrepresented their product to investors.

Anyone with common sense knows that their is no possibility to cover up or suppress this type of evidence.
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June 20, 2016, 06:18:26 PM
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Actually making the change now without citing the date of effect can be construed as fraudulent activity to suppress the evidence of a crime after the fact.

Ridiculous.

First, Eric is a Bitcoin Core Developer , not an ethereum one, thus is merely doing a service to educate the general community.

Secondly, Github keeps a clear history, thus any lawyers can still clearly see the transition and prosecute those like Tual or other ETh devs who have falsely lied or misrepresented their product to investors.

Anyone with common sense knows that their is no possibility to cover up or suppress this type of evidence.


Without siting this is a change then it is assumed that it has always been worded as such, not everyone knows about the workings of Git. This change can only be held to from the change date forward. And is possibly not applicable to those that already hold "Gas".

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June 20, 2016, 06:27:16 PM
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Without siting this is a change then it is assumed that it has always been worded as such, not everyone knows about the workings of Git. This change can only be held to from the change date forward. And is possibly not applicable to those that already hold "Gas".

This was a "merged" commit to change the metadescription.

No, one would not assume it had always been worded as such.

I take it that you are completely unfamiliar with github and the way it keeps a timeline of all changes?

One of the primary raison d'être of Github it to maintain these history of changes.
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June 20, 2016, 06:35:29 PM
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Without siting this is a change then it is assumed that it has always been worded as such, not everyone knows about the workings of Git. This change can only be held to from the change date forward. And is possibly not applicable to those that already hold "Gas".

This was a "merged" commit to change the metadescription.

No, one would not assume it had always been worded as such.

I take it that you are completely unfamiliar with github and the way it keeps a timeline of all changes?

One of the primary raison d'être of Github it to maintain these history of changes.

So your argument is that everyone who invested in ETH understands Git. I think you are the moron.

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June 20, 2016, 06:38:50 PM
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So your argument is that everyone who invested in ETH understands Git. I think you are the moron.

I would suggest the opposite. Most investors of Ethereum likely are unfamiliar with Git , and thus why they are more probabilistically likely to invest in the first place. I am suggesting that in a courtroom situation where technical defense experts give a EIL5 of Git they can clearly show there is no attempt at malice or confusion on Eric's part.

can be construed as fraudulent activity

Of course anything can be misunderstood by an idiot or the uninformed. All it takes is a very basic understanding of Git to realize that their was no such intention,
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June 20, 2016, 06:44:10 PM
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inside job makes the most sense

who would know the code well enough to pull this off?

are we supposed to believe some random was just auditing their code in sufficient detail to pull this off? no one talented enough to pull this off would waste their time doing that.
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