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[JackpotRacer]

eric just wanted to help us understand what is happening on our site cause users were hindered to win by a combination of scott hamper' bot and the cookies and hash errors. sounds like a nice guy and we should be thankful

I have no clue about all of this but I know that we dont cheat and gladly ranlo also confirmed that we cant

now lets hear your opinion about the nice guy eric. I post the 2 first sites of a very long conversation on wickr
eric asked in a PM for this conversation

how would you call it? help from a nice guy?

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[ericwrestle27]

The code that was on your site was from a site that on his front page states manipulation software.
due to the fact im not a dev and neither are you, along with the fact you dont seem to fully comprehend the english language to well.
i simply called you out because well your the owner.. you should know whats in your site.
so i asked if we could work out a deal.... i definitely would a took a few bucks and exclusion from a certain code if the price was right ( i'm human judge away) but  anyways  he stated he didn't know what i was talking about i stated my theory like i knew what was going on even know it was only a theory due to i figured he would be responsible/ know about it for obvious reasons!
(i later thought i cleared this up with up with him that it was only a theory...lost in translation i guess.)

Later i inspected what i could from my home to pull files that might be able to help. and had my computer wirelessly took over during same period. which i thought had to be related! i guess crazy coincidence..contacted jp and explained my situation with being hacked.  explained i had some files that might be able to shed light on the site issue... non dev mistake (i didn't know exactly what i had and guess it wasn't to helpful) & then told him i didn't hold him responsible but my privacy and property were involved and if he could help e with any sort of compensation i would appreciate it ... (he blew up towards me).

 and now where here today hopes this clears things up for everyone.

Also jp can you please have a little bit more patient and quit being a dick.
i told you yesterday i dont think you are cheating shit man.

Theory!!!
(thought your code(cookies) was causing something not to function right and may be causing hash errors .... a Theory which was confirmed plausible in this thread...)

[ericwrestle27]

eric just wanted to help us understand what is happening on our site cause users were hindered to win by a combination of scott hamper' bot and the cookies and hash errors. sounds like a nice guy and we should be thankful

I have no clue about all of this but I know that we dont cheat and gladly ranlo also confirmed that we cant

now lets hear your opinion about the nice guy eric. I post the 2 first sites of a very long conversation on wickr
eric asked in a PM for this conversation

how would you call it? help from a nice guy?

(throughout this convo i gave him opinions.
thoughts and theory's  and agreed to help him and hes just a complete ass)


please show full conversation! JP

[Lanzador]

The code that was on your site was from a site that on his front page states manipulation software.
due to the fact im not a dev and neither are you, along with the fact you dont seem to fully comprehend the english language to well.
i simply called you out because well your the owner.. you should know whats in your site.
so i asked if we could work out a deal.... i definitely would a took a few bucks and exclusion from a certain code if the price was right ( i'm human judge away) but  anyways  he stated he didn't know what i was talking about i stated my theory like i knew what was going on even know it was only a theory due to i figured he would be responsible/ know about it for obvious reasons!
(i later thought i cleared this up with up with him that it was only a theory...lost in translation i guess.)

Later i inspected what i could from my home to pull files that might be able to help. and had my computer wirelessly took over during same period. which i thought had to be related! i guess crazy coincidence..contacted jp and explained my situation with being hacked.  explained i had some files that might be able to shed light on the site issue... non dev mistake (i didn't know exactly what i had and guess it wasn't to helpful) & then told him i didn't hold him responsible but my privacy and property were involved and if he could help e with any sort of compensation i would appreciate it ... (he blew up towards me).

 and now where here today hopes this clears things up for everyone.

Also jp can you please have a little bit more patient and quit being a dick.
i told you yesterday i dont think you are cheating shit man.

Theory!!!
(thought your code(cookies) was causing something not to function right and may be causing hash errors .... a Theory which was confirmed plausible in this thread...)

Which website/software are you talking about? Do you have any proof they were using it?

[JackpotRacer]

please show full conversation! JP

I will not post full conversation cause it is to long and you see  I showed only 2 ss and those ss should be enough already to understand your intention.
but if a trusted user wants to see it and will voice his opinion I will be glad to send it to him and all our PM conversations

did I contact you and asked you for money or bribe? you are able to accuse me.

yes my english is not so good but your english is even worse when looking at some postings here or in our wickr conversation. the english knowledge shouldnt be the problem but your ugly behavior and intention to blackmail us should be on the table and for us it is.

imo you behavior shows a sick pattern. in case I am right you should look for a new doctor and medication and if I am wrong and you just did it up cause you think you are a smart blackmailer I suggest that you come back to earth with both of your feet and just apologize

think about it

[Michail1]

due to the fact im not a dev and neither are you, along with the fact you dont seem to fully comprehend the english language to well.

Just when JPR is trying to be nice, you fire off your reply against him.  Both of you should take it to a new thread or personal PMs.

so i asked if we could work out a deal.... i definitely would a took a few bucks and exclusion from a certain code if the price was right ( i'm human judge away)

You were trying to extort/blackmail him?

Later i inspected what i could from my home to pull files that might be able to help. and had my computer wirelessly took over during same period. which i thought had to be related!

You admit your machine was hijacked. At that point, anything could have happened or have been changed, but you followed through with blaming a gambling site for losing money.

i guess crazy coincidence..contacted jp and explained my situation with being hacked.  explained i had some files that might be able to shed light on the site issue... non dev mistake (i didn't know exactly what i had and guess it wasn't to helpful) & then told him i didn't hold him responsible but my privacy and property were involved and if he could help e with any sort of compensation i would appreciate it ... (he blew up towards me).

I would 'blow up towards' you too if you were accusing me of your computer being hijacked.

Theory!!!
(thought your code(cookies) was causing something not to function right and may be causing hash errors .... a Theory which was confirmed plausible in this thread...)

Hash errors didn't cause you to lose money.  Possibly not able to bet, but not a conversion of a winning bet to a losing bet.

[dooglus]

Notice nothing in there did I mention anything of you cheating jackpot winners and taking a 20% cut right off the top of the jackpot.

How is that even possible? I thought MP handled all the payouts with client-side apps, so how can JPR be skimming 20% from the jackpots?

Is that 20% reflected in the house edge as reported by MP?

Has this been discussed publicly elsewhere? Got a link to it?

Thanks.

[RHavar]

How is that even possible? I thought MP handled all the payouts with client-side apps, so how can JPR be skimming 20% from the jackpots?

Would be pretty easy in theory. Send the bet to moneypot as attempting to win 90 BTC, but present it to the user as attempting to win a 72 BTC jackpot. If win, use the tip API to send 18 BTC to an account that collects the fee.


(No idea if that's what they're doing, however)


Actually it's kind of devious.  A "smart" casino could make every bet with as minimal house edge as possible, (which would push investors to 3.33x kelly =/) and then use the tip API to send the money to the app. So from the gamblers perspective the house edge would still be 1%, but investors get screwed with negative expected bankroll growth  and MP itself would make no commission, but the app would make a significant amount more.

[ajareselde]

How is that even possible? I thought MP handled all the payouts with client-side apps, so how can JPR be skimming 20% from the jackpots?

Would be pretty easy in theory. Send the bet to moneypot as attempting to win 90 BTC, but present it to the user as attempting to win a 72 BTC jackpot. If win, use the tip API to send 18 BTC to an account that collects the fee.


(No idea if that's what they're doing, however)


Actually it's kind of devious.  A "smart" casino could make every bet with as minimal house edge as possible, (which would push investors to 3.33x kelly =/) and then use the tip API to send the money to the app. So from the gamblers perspective the house edge would still be 1%, but investors get screwed with negative expected bankroll growth  and MP itself would make no commission, but the app would make a significant amount more.

Well doesn't that mean that JPR is a winner , even when someone wins the jackpot (If they're getting profit either way) ?
I know a lot goes to sharing (aka "rain") with players and promotion, but still; shouldn't the player decide on his/her own what to do with full amount of pot that's won..

[Game_Seller]

Notice nothing in there did I mention anything of you cheating jackpot winners and taking a 20% cut right off the top of the jackpot.

How is that even possible? I thought MP handled all the payouts with client-side apps, so how can JPR be skimming 20% from the jackpots?

Is that 20% reflected in the house edge as reported by MP?

Has this been discussed publicly elsewhere? Got a link to it?

Thanks.

I can't find the thread but remember seeing something about it. All rain receivers are asked to use at least 50% of the rain to wager too. While he pockets huge amount of the wins then calls everyone a shill.buttkisser. or other random name if we call him out on this betting practice. He complains the most of all admins and probably makes more than them. This is just crazy gamble.

[CrazyCraig]

How is that even possible? I thought MP handled all the payouts with client-side apps, so how can JPR be skimming 20% from the jackpots?

Would be pretty easy in theory. Send the bet to moneypot as attempting to win 90 BTC, but present it to the user as attempting to win a 72 BTC jackpot. If win, use the tip API to send 18 BTC to an account that collects the fee.


(No idea if that's what they're doing, however)


Actually it's kind of devious.  A "smart" casino could make every bet with as minimal house edge as possible, (which would push investors to 3.33x kelly =/) and then use the tip API to send the money to the app. So from the gamblers perspective the house edge would still be 1%, but investors get screwed with negative expected bankroll growth  and MP itself would make no commission, but the app would make a significant amount more.

Ryan, this is exactly what is happing. For instance, there was a jackpot winner (NotTardy) last week. On moneypot, the win looks like 95BTC and on JPR's site it is 72 BTC. MoneyPot also shows a tip to JackPotRacer for the remaining 23 BTC. 7 BTC of that was rained to the users on his site, but thats still a huge net profit of 16 BTC.

[ericwrestle27]

The code that was on your site was from a site that on his front page states manipulation software.
due to the fact im not a dev and neither are you, along with the fact you dont seem to fully comprehend the english language to well.
i simply called you out because well your the owner.. you should know whats in your site.
so i asked if we could work out a deal.... i definitely would a took a few bucks and exclusion from a certain code if the price was right ( i'm human judge away) but  anyways  he stated he didn't know what i was talking about i stated my theory like i knew what was going on even know it was only a theory due to i figured he would be responsible/ know about it for obvious reasons!
(i later thought i cleared this up with up with him that it was only a theory...lost in translation i guess.)

Later i inspected what i could from my home to pull files that might be able to help. and had my computer wirelessly took over during same period. which i thought had to be related! i guess crazy coincidence..contacted jp and explained my situation with being hacked.  explained i had some files that might be able to shed light on the site issue... non dev mistake (i didn't know exactly what i had and guess it wasn't to helpful) & then told him i didn't hold him responsible but my privacy and property were involved and if he could help e with any sort of compensation i would appreciate it ... (he blew up towards me).

 and now where here today hopes this clears things up for everyone.

Also jp can you please have a little bit more patient and quit being a dick.
i told you yesterday i dont think you are cheating shit man.

Theory!!!
(thought your code(cookies) was causing something not to function right and may be causing hash errors .... a Theory which was confirmed plausible in this thread...)

Which website/software are you talking about? Do you have any proof they were using it?

Refer to image i posted earlier in thread of his sit being inspected with the website listed
this is was the first thing i saw when i load the site so i though the worst

[AltcoinRambo]

How is that even possible? I thought MP handled all the payouts with client-side apps, so how can JPR be skimming 20% from the jackpots?

Would be pretty easy in theory. Send the bet to moneypot as attempting to win 90 BTC, but present it to the user as attempting to win a 72 BTC jackpot. If win, use the tip API to send 18 BTC to an account that collects the fee.


(No idea if that's what they're doing, however)


Actually it's kind of devious.  A "smart" casino could make every bet with as minimal house edge as possible, (which would push investors to 3.33x kelly =/) and then use the tip API to send the money to the app. So from the gamblers perspective the house edge would still be 1%, but investors get screwed with negative expected bankroll growth  and MP itself would make no commission, but the app would make a significant amount more.

Ryan, this is exactly what is happing. For instance, there was a jackpot winner (NotTardy) last week. On moneypot, the win looks like 95BTC and on JPR's site it is 72 BTC. MoneyPot also shows a tip to JackPotRacer for the remaining 23 BTC. 7 BTC of that was rained to the users on his site, but thats still a huge net profit of 16 BTC.

So after hijacking threads all over the place and fudding other app owners to no end, JPR is finally revealed to be a cheater/scammer himself. I guess karma is a bitch after all ...

[ericwrestle27]

please show full conversation! JP

I will not post full conversation cause it is to long and you see  I showed only 2 ss and those ss should be enough already to understand your intention.
but if a trusted user wants to see it and will voice his opinion I will be glad to send it to him and all our PM conversations

did I contact you and asked you for money or bribe? you are able to accuse me.

yes my english is not so good but your english is even worse when looking at some postings here or in our wickr conversation. the english knowledge shouldnt be the problem but your ugly behavior and intention to blackmail us should be on the table and for us it is.

imo you behavior shows a sick pattern. in case I am right you should look for a new doctor and medication and if I am wrong and you just did it up cause you think you are a smart blackmailer I suggest that you come back to earth with both of your feet and just apologize

think about it

No i would just like it seen how i was being talked to throughout that convo. the fact you asked me what do i really want and i sad just to help you. (specifically wasnt blackmail and didnt ask for a thing) you post those first two messages and people can take out of context. also the fact i didnt blame you for what happened with the hacking of my system. because these are all true things that should be noted.

[MartinL]

What I want to know is why you two keep referring to the "Scott Hamper bot". His cookie library seems completely benign and as far as I can tell the guy isn't even associated with Bitcoin, let alone JackpotRacer.

[katerniko1]

How is that even possible? I thought MP handled all the payouts with client-side apps, so how can JPR be skimming 20% from the jackpots?

Would be pretty easy in theory. Send the bet to moneypot as attempting to win 90 BTC, but present it to the user as attempting to win a 72 BTC jackpot. If win, use the tip API to send 18 BTC to an account that collects the fee.


(No idea if that's what they're doing, however)


Actually it's kind of devious.  A "smart" casino could make every bet with as minimal house edge as possible, (which would push investors to 3.33x kelly =/) and then use the tip API to send the money to the app. So from the gamblers perspective the house edge would still be 1%, but investors get screwed with negative expected bankroll growth  and MP itself would make no commission, but the app would make a significant amount more.

Ryan, this is exactly what is happing. For instance, there was a jackpot winner (NotTardy) last week. On moneypot, the win looks like 95BTC and on JPR's site it is 72 BTC. MoneyPot also shows a tip to JackPotRacer for the remaining 23 BTC. 7 BTC of that was rained to the users on his site, but thats still a huge net profit of 16 BTC.

yeah, as you can see in FAQ there is explanation how does lottery pay out, and when you play you know exactly how much net profit will you get,
as for 16 btc profit might not be true, as there is refferal commission of 10% if someone brought nottardy there.
so i dont see nothing bad in that system .
regards.
-Katerniko1

[ericwrestle27]

due to the fact im not a dev and neither are you, along with the fact you dont seem to fully comprehend the english language to well.

Just when JPR is trying to be nice, you fire off your reply against him.  Both of you should take it to a new thread or personal PMs.

so i asked if we could work out a deal.... i definitely would a took a few bucks and exclusion from a certain code if the price was right ( i'm human judge away)

You were trying to extort/blackmail him?

Later i inspected what i could from my home to pull files that might be able to help. and had my computer wirelessly took over during same period. which i thought had to be related!

You admit your machine was hijacked. At that point, anything could have happened or have been changed, but you followed through with blaming a gambling site for losing money.

i guess crazy coincidence..contacted jp and explained my situation with being hacked.  explained i had some files that might be able to shed light on the site issue... non dev mistake (i didn't know exactly what i had and guess it wasn't to helpful) & then told him i didn't hold him responsible but my privacy and property were involved and if he could help e with any sort of compensation i would appreciate it ... (he blew up towards me).

I would 'blow up towards' you too if you were accusing me of your computer being hijacked.

Theory!!!
(thought your code(cookies) was causing something not to function right and may be causing hash errors .... a Theory which was confirmed plausible in this thread...)

Hash errors didn't cause you to lose money.  Possibly not able to bet, but not a conversion of a winning bet to a losing bet.

due to the fact im not a dev and neither are you, along with the fact you dont seem to fully comprehend the english language to well.

Just when JPR is trying to be nice, you fire off your reply against him.  Both of you should take it to a new thread or personal PMs.

where was he trying to be nice are you ready the same thread? re read his post and the pic he posted, cause what i got from that was sarcasm.

so i asked if we could work out a deal.... i definitely would a took a few bucks and exclusion from a certain code if the price was right ( i'm human judge away)

You were trying to extort/blackmail him?

Not what so ever and it is noted in that conversation he has on wickr was stating that if there was something going on.
i would have taken a bribe to be quiet. everyone has there price.( but nothing was ever threatened for any certain personal gain.) nor the aspect of the statement to jpr privately. only thing that would have been remotely close was my issuing statement in the screenshot he posted saying we could work out a deal.

Later i inspected what i could from my home to pull files that might be able to help. and had my computer wirelessly took over during same period. which i thought had to be related!

You admit your machine was hijacked. At that point, anything could have happened or have been changed, but you followed through with blaming a gambling site for losing money.

Where Have i stated that i blame them for loosing my money?

Theory!!!
(thought your code(cookies) was causing something not to function right and may be causing hash errors .... a Theory which was confirmed plausible in this thread...)

Hash errors didn't cause you to lose money.  Possibly not able to bet, but not a conversion of a winning bet to a losing bet.

refer to previous answer. Never once have i blamed this error/site issue on personal loss. everything related to my posts involving the site issue has been in question format to dev's./ what i personally thought & and the process that led to here!

[ericwrestle27]

What I want to know is why you two keep referring to the "Scott Hamper bot". His cookie library seems completely benign and as far as I can tell the guy isn't even associated with Bitcoin, let alone JackpotRacer.

listing #1823 lists his site being imspected with the website to scott hamper on top

To be clear not making accusations here just explain what happened and what i thought at the time.

[bandung01]

well goodluck guys 

[Lanzador]

What I want to know is why you two keep referring to the "Scott Hamper bot". His cookie library seems completely benign and as far as I can tell the guy isn't even associated with Bitcoin, let alone JackpotRacer.

listing #1823 lists his site being imspected with the website to scott hamper on top

To be clear not making accusations here just explain what happened and what i thought at the time.

Don't see anything here that you didn't bring up...where's the evidence connecting the two of them?