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June 02, 2016, 03:34:53 PM
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or beat  here we go i hope it happens cat and mouse.!!!

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June 02, 2016, 04:04:32 PM
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or beat  here we go i hope it happens cat and mouse.!!!


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all i want is a scrypt miner that's a moonlander with the hashspeed of a blade, or a U3 with the hashspeed of an S1.
is that so much to ask? ;(

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June 03, 2016, 05:15:38 AM
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What would be interesting to me would be a scrypt OR a SHA256 board with a current chip that was designed to bolt onto the HS/fan assembly from the old Gridseed "80 blade" design.

 Plenty of heat soak capasity, it was badly misused and UNDERutilised for that gridseed design, and a TON of them around cheaply available.


 (no, the horse isn't dead yet.)

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June 03, 2016, 05:41:04 AM
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Your pleas will fall on deaf ears, as this is primarily my project and I've never cared about scrypt ASICs. Maybe someone will extend it someday, but I'm really only interested in SHA256 miners.

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Your pleas will fall on deaf ears, as this is primarily my project and I've never cared about scrypt ASICs. Maybe someone will extend it someday, but I'm really only interested in SHA256 miners.

Too bad....because scrypt miners are just killing it on LTC right now.....(19 months with Titans and still making bucko bucks)

then again...all asic's will be 'doorstops's eventually don't ya know so maybe it don't matter hobby project wise.


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June 03, 2016, 07:11:22 AM
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Your pleas will fall on deaf ears, as this is primarily my project and I've never cared about scrypt ASICs. Maybe someone will extend it someday, but I'm really only interested in SHA256 miners.

Too bad....because scrypt miners are just killing it on LTC right now.....(19 months with Titans and still making bucko bucks)

then again...all asic's will be 'doorstops's eventually don't ya know so maybe it don't matter hobby project wise.



That's only because NO ONE HAS MADE ANOTHER MINER to compete with yours,unlike in BTCland(where even the makers compete with customers) !!!! Be grateful !!!!

Personally I think Bitmain(& Avalon) is the last hoorah for home miners,Bitfury will succumb to the greed & keep the chips/miners to themselves as long as they can,if they even exist  Roll Eyes

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June 03, 2016, 07:39:12 AM
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Your pleas will fall on deaf ears, as this is primarily my project and I've never cared about scrypt ASICs. Maybe someone will extend it someday, but I'm really only interested in SHA256 miners.

Too bad....because scrypt miners are just killing it on LTC right now.....(19 months with Titans and still making bucko bucks)

then again...all asic's will be 'doorstops's eventually don't ya know so maybe it don't matter hobby project wise.



That's only because NO ONE HAS MADE ANOTHER MINER to compete with yours,unlike in BTCland(where even the makers compete with customers) !!!! Be grateful !!!!

Personally I think Bitmain(& Avalon) is the last hoorah for home miners,Bitfury will succumb to the greed & keep the chips/miners to themselves as long as they can,if they even exist  Roll Eyes

Yeah I agree...but if anyone makes a miner...scrypt seems a bit more nimble imho on the whole difficulty exploding thing.

Would sure help you ethereum miners (and turn me to one to) if the folk developing ethereum would say ..er never mind we decided to have it stay a pow coin and not go pos..
the problem with that happy dream is as soon as they were to really seem to be gonna do so..someone would make an asic chip for such.

But yeah 19 months and my Titans are still killing it is utterly confusing and probably 'wrong' if there are asic morals on so many levels...I'm utterly befuddled myself on wth is going on.

They will doorstop someday...but they have a whole 'knc we are evil vampire hard to kill' kinda thing going on at the moment

(probably should make an ethereum rig for a toy but alas I think that may soon pass due to difficulty increases on that network or am I mis-informed)

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Your pleas will fall on deaf ears, as this is primarily my project and I've never cared about scrypt ASICs. Maybe someone will extend it someday, but I'm really only interested in SHA256 miners.

Too bad....because scrypt miners are just killing it on LTC right now.....(19 months with Titans and still making bucko bucks)

then again...all asic's will be 'doorstops's eventually don't ya know so maybe it don't matter hobby project wise.



That's only because NO ONE HAS MADE ANOTHER MINER to compete with yours,unlike in BTCland(where even the makers compete with customers) !!!! Be grateful !!!!

Personally I think Bitmain(& Avalon) is the last hoorah for home miners,Bitfury will succumb to the greed & keep the chips/miners to themselves as long as they can,if they even exist  Roll Eyes

Yeah I agree...but if anyone makes a miner...scrypt seems a bit more nimble imho on the whole difficulty exploding thing.

Would sure help you ethereum miners (and turn me to one to) if the folk developing ethereum would say ..er never mind we decided to have it stay a pow coin and not go pos..
the problem with that happy dream is as soon as they were to really seem to be gonna do so..someone would make an asic chip for such.

But yeah 19 months and my Titans are still killing it is utterly confusing and probably 'wrong' if there are asic morals on so many levels...I'm utterly befuddled myself on wth is going on.

They will doorstop someday...but they have a whole 'knc we are evil vampire hard to kill' kinda thing going on at the moment

(probably should make an ethereum rig for a toy but alas I think that may soon pass due to difficulty increases on that network or am I mis-informed)

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isn't it  awesome even my Alchemist 256 i have 5 blades online is getting a killing  i want more power and am about to put two more blades online and donating one blade to a school so they can learn about  coins hands on . my eth rig right now is two cards but im about to make it 6 and yea i wish the S9 was a little cheaper id get one but may  get one or two s7 now they will drop even lower or one or two A6's . there is a reason i won't do much more for now , i won't get into here . even if the difficulty increase it won't be as bad as bitcoins because eth  runs off of gpu's, some place i read is paying wages in ETH now, so it's here to stay.

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June 03, 2016, 06:14:17 PM
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Less competition is why Scrypt designs like the Titan/A2/Alcheminer have had a long profitable run indeed.

 But in fairness, the S5/SP20 generation continued to be profitable even with the introduction and mass deployment of the S7/A6/B11 generation - as long as your electric wasn't sky-high.


 The other big difference is that Scrypt pricing and hashrate were VERY close to flat for almost a year after the Litecoin halfing - and what increase there was in diff was very small and gradual (and got mostly wiped out the last 2 weeks, WTF is happening there with the 20% drop on that last adjustment?).


 I believe Bitcoin is going to settle down into a similar period starting in the fall of this year, once all the big miner makers get their offerings on the market and the halfing has had time to settle in - with the potential of major price swings continuing to be driven by the ongoing issues in the Chinese economy that are looking like they might start impacting the WORLD economy before long.



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God bless this topic, I enjoyed a lot. I am from and live in a Middle Eastern country. We have good electricity fees here for industrial sector. But industry is f*d up, business is f*d up , politics is corrupted, government is ruined totally, .... the worst corner of the hell, the Middle Hell.
I think btc is (or can be) a relief and mining is a door, the right one for us to begin entering to the btc world. We (millions of educated people here)  need bitcoin community's help and you need ours as well:
We can and must take part in the decentralization agenda of the bitcoin community, by our energy, by our money, by our knowledge and human resources.
We can beat Chinese or participate in beating them, they subsidize electricity? We own the source of their electricity.
We should start and for this we need help. We can't pay 2K$  to buy an already retired off-the-shelf Chinese miner hardware and wait for the halving , the difficulty to raise or some btc price drop to set us up. I can't convince people here to invest in the darkness, they won't. We need a certain minimum level of mastering and enough options and space to maneuver. We have to customize, to have the ability and the option to customize the technology.
For the moment I am deeply interested in this 'sidehack project'.  Unfortunately I couldn't be able to put together a good conclusive answer to my following questions (a lot of slang has been used, not a good practice for an international forum, though):
1- How can we define the ultimate, big picture target of the project today, after all discussions and improvements?
2- In what specific stage are we at the moment?
3- How can one contribute (financially, technically, ... )?

I am deeply familiar with Blockchain and bitcoin/altcoin technology and terminology but It would be highly appreciated if somebody please give me brief answers (from a technical/philosophical/social/economical/... perspective ) to the above questions using a formal plain language and literature. I need to know about this project's potentials to be hired as a platform for my plan to start a campaign for coordinating people's knowledge and financial resources here to take a role in the btc movement.

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June 12, 2016, 04:09:49 PM
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IMHO:

1- How can we define the ultimate, big picture target of the project today, after all discussions and improvements?
To the extent that sidehack can, in the current fluid BTC mining environment, he has.

2- In what specific stage are we at the moment?
Waiting/pursuing a stable supply of "state-of-art" SHA256 hash chips.

3- How can one contribute (financially, technically, ... )?
3a: Financial:
Design, produce, and make available a reasonably priced 12nm-16nm SHA256 hash chip.
3b. technically:
create a driver module for that mythical chip that can be forked into the cgminer development effort.

Stated simply: if sidehack had a stable supply chain for a hash chips, 3 months out, the community would have a miner that would "BLOW THE DOORS OFF" anything offered by any other manufacturer. And I believe this is what frightens the current ilk of suppliers.

It's not a technical issue/problem, it's a power/control over the BTC mining environment issue/problem.

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June 12, 2016, 06:29:54 PM
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Stated simply: if sidehack had a stable supply chain for a hash chips, 3 months out, the community would have a miner that would "BLOW THE DOORS OFF" anything offered by any other manufacturer. And I believe this is what frightens the current ilk of suppliers.

I don't doubt that sidehack can design a very efficient miner that "home/hobby miners" can use with their existing electrical and cooling infrastructure. I have one of his "green heatsink" Compac miners toiling away beside my computer adding insignificantly to the global hash rate.

My gut feeling with respect to the availability of chips of any generation is that the producers are relatively small and have excess demand from far larger existing customers for this current generation of chips, and so they have chosen to focus on the biggest bang for the BTC/USD/RMB/EUR/GBP or whatever currency you choose. It's a business decision. Additionally the mining machine producers can only get so many chips/wafers from the foundries that they use. Those foundries are making priority calls, too.

At the end of the day the home/hobby miner is pretty much the lowest priority for the mining ASIC companies. As long as there are huge commercial farms with hundreds of PH looking to upgrade, and/or investors with deep pockets looking to buy hundreds of PH in one go to build a new farm, the hobby miner will be relegated to the dust bin.

edit added: That said, if sidehack can get chips and produce an efficient home/hobby miner I'd definitely be interested in buying one or more.

"Opinions are like butts, everybodies got one and they all stink."
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Nice one. I typically use, "Opinions are like noses. Everyone has one and you can't pick mine."

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IMHO:

1- How can we define the ultimate, big picture target of the project today, after all discussions and improvements?
To the extent that sidehack can, in the current fluid BTC mining environment, he has.

2- In what specific stage are we at the moment?
Waiting/pursuing a stable supply of "state-of-art" SHA256 hash chips.

3- How can one contribute (financially, technically, ... )?
3a: Financial:
Design, produce, and make available a reasonably priced 12nm-16nm SHA256 hash chip.
3b. technically:
create a driver module for that mythical chip that can be forked into the cgminer development effort.

Stated simply: if sidehack had a stable supply chain for a hash chips, 3 months out, the community would have a miner that would "BLOW THE DOORS OFF" anything offered by any other manufacturer. And I believe this is what frightens the current ilk of suppliers.

It's not a technical issue/problem, it's a power/control over the BTC mining environment issue/problem.

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Well said  Wink  Sidehack would steal their thunder!!!!  Cheesy

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Nice one. I typically use, "Opinions are like noses. Everyone has one and you can't pick mine."


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June 19, 2016, 12:10:00 AM
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God bless this topic, I enjoyed a lot. I am from and live in a Middle Eastern country. We have good electricity fees here for industrial sector. But industry is f*d up, business is f*d up , politics is corrupted, government is ruined totally, .... the worst corner of the hell, the Middle Hell.
I think btc is (or can be) a relief and mining is a door, the right one for us to begin entering to the btc world. We (millions of educated people here)  need bitcoin community's help and you need ours as well:
We can and must take part in the decentralization agenda of the bitcoin community, by our energy, by our money, by our knowledge and human resources.
We can beat Chinese or participate in beating them, they subsidize electricity? We own the source of their electricity.
We should start and for this we need help. We can't pay 2K$  to buy an already retired off-the-shelf Chinese miner hardware and wait for the halving , the difficulty to raise or some btc price drop to set us up. I can't convince people here to invest in the darkness, they won't. We need a certain minimum level of mastering and enough options and space to maneuver. We have to customize, to have the ability and the option to customize the technology.
For the moment I am deeply interested in this 'sidehack project'.  Unfortunately I couldn't be able to put together a good conclusive answer to my following questions (a lot of slang has been used, not a good practice for an international forum, though):
1- How can we define the ultimate, big picture target of the project today, after all discussions and improvements?
2- In what specific stage are we at the moment?
3- How can one contribute (financially, technically, ... )?

I am deeply familiar with Blockchain and bitcoin/altcoin technology and terminology but It would be highly appreciated if somebody please give me brief answers (from a technical/philosophical/social/economical/... perspective ) to the above questions using a formal plain language and literature. I need to know about this project's potentials to be hired as a platform for my plan to start a campaign for coordinating people's knowledge and financial resources here to take a role in the btc movement.

BTW, my response was not meant to be belittling, caustic, or condescending.
So if I came off that way, my apologies.

Your first couple of sentences pegged it.
Problem is there's little we "small guys" can do to fight the 800 lbs gorilla.
Wish there was.


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June 20, 2016, 04:30:48 PM
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God bless this topic, ....
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BTW, my response was not meant to be belittling, caustic, or condescending.
So if I came off that way, my apologies.

Your first couple of sentences pegged it.
Problem is there's little we "small guys" can do to fight the 800 lbs gorilla.
Wish there was.


thanks for the reply and NO, it was polite quite enough ...
I have to apologize for not checking this thread last few days and missing the atmosphere. I'll digest your answers and put forward my issues very soon.

For the time being: nano meter ASIC race is about electricity cost vs investment if hypothetically we could fill the gap relatively and at the same time we had access to  cheap electricity we would be able to compete.

Analogically speaking if we were about 400 lbs or so, using our other advantages it would be possible to do something about the 800 lbs gorilla under consideration. This is how I see this sidehack project and 'our' access to cheap electricity.

It is actually 'our' access, I can and I'll share it with the community, I got some ideas about it  Wink

The thing is the gap being so deep: no access to chips, no access to specifications and parts, nothing, nothing other than our money and our obligation to buy their exhausted stuff. bad situation man. Angry

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I'm not sure how much I can talk about, and nothing's official yet, but I may have been given a solution to "no access to chips, no access to specifications and parts".

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I'm not sure how much I can talk about, and nothing's official yet, but I may have been given a solution to "no access to chips, no access to specifications and parts".
Absolutely most interesting news I have heared in last couple of months ... looking forward for more info ...pleeeeease Kiss

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Well it's something that's just come up in the last few days, basically I've been asked for assistance on a project with the benefit of being able to piggyback my own project on some of their resources. But since I'm just an assistant and tagalong I don't think I have the right to talk about anything yet. But yeah, it's an exciting possibility if it works.

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Well it's something that's just come up in the last few days, basically I've been asked for assistance on a project with the benefit of being able to piggyback my own project on some of their resources. But since I'm just an assistant and tagalong I don't think I have the right to talk about anything yet. But yeah, it's an exciting possibility if it works.
It is good, very good opportunity dude, use it extensively and keep all the negotiations documented and legal. I'm following your works, you are great and among the few people who can make a difference, take care, it is about saving a very promising technology and a young community, seriously take care! . Looking forward for more and more great news from you.

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