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January 20, 2013, 01:36:19 PM
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I can't believe this moron is still arguing his point even after a mod changed the title of the thread.
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January 20, 2013, 09:32:05 PM
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If they do that they should buy an options for buying bitcoins as an insurance like serious companies do, but 1st is it possible with bitcoins, and if it is, how expensive, and are they so serious company?
It is simple. If you can't afford and you can't manage bitcoin exchange rate risk you should not accept bitcoin payments.

Bitcoin is amazing. Bitcoin payments unmistakably expose every merchant scam. You can't treat people as customers when accepting their bitcoin payments and later treat them as investors when refunding their purchases! The very nature of bitcoin won't allow shady commercial practices.



Have you seen them advertise in BTC prices ANYWHERE? (i mean advertise, not tell you what the exchange rate is at time of purchase)

This debate is just stupid. If you wanted to return a $9.99 shirt to walmart, and the value of the USD had dropped 1% in the prior week, would you therefore demand they pay you back $10.09 (101%) of your purchase price? Get real.

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January 20, 2013, 10:05:45 PM
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Have you seen them advertise in BTC prices ANYWHERE? (i mean advertise, not tell you what the exchange rate is at time of purchase)
Why don't BFL fan boys read before they post 100 times same stupid argument? It has been answered and proof shown 100 times!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.msg1460393#msg1460393
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January 20, 2013, 11:28:02 PM
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Have you seen them advertise in BTC prices ANYWHERE? (i mean advertise, not tell you what the exchange rate is at time of purchase)
Why don't BFL fan boys read before they post 100 times same stupid argument? It has been answered and proof shown 100 times!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.msg1460393#msg1460393
Why do people not get this? It was NOT priced in bitcoins!!! Here's an example of what did NOT happen...
You are wrong!!!
It WAS and still IS priced in bitcoins as well. I don't give wishful examples. I give proof!



That is not pricing in Bitcoins.  That is asking for payment in Bitcoins in an amount equivalent to the USD pricing.

Im out of here, you're just straight trolling at this point

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January 21, 2013, 12:07:31 AM
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Have you seen them advertise in BTC prices ANYWHERE? (i mean advertise, not tell you what the exchange rate is at time of purchase)
Why doesn't becoin read before he posts 100 times the same stupid, idiotic argument? Its troll argument has been answered and  LACK of proof shown 100 times!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137026.msg1460393#msg1460393

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January 21, 2013, 01:04:37 AM
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Did Becoin go to court yet?  Sue them, nobody likes BFL. You'll be a hero here. In small claims court you don't have a need for a lawyer, not even BFL have lawyers, they have to send an employee (although that employee might also be an attorney) but come on, do it asshole!

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January 21, 2013, 08:17:06 AM
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Did Becoin go to court yet?  Sue them, nobody likes BFL. You'll be a hero here. In small claims court you don't have a need for a lawyer, not even BFL have lawyers, they have to send an employee (although that employee might also be an attorney) but come on, do it asshole!

Becoin might even have a chance to win this one. Just imagine said employee is someone named Josh and his first statement will be: "Your honor,  I can't understand you over your fucking stupidity ...".  Grin

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January 21, 2013, 08:24:27 AM
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Did Becoin go to court yet?  Sue them, nobody likes BFL. You'll be a hero here. In small claims court you don't have a need for a lawyer, not even BFL have lawyers, they have to send an employee (although that employee might also be an attorney) but come on, do it asshole!

Becoin might even have a chance to win this one. Just imagine said employee is someone named Josh and his first statement will be: "Your honor,  I can't understand you over your fucking stupidity ...".  Grin

omg I actually LOLed on that one.  Cheesy

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January 21, 2013, 10:25:02 AM
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When I go to Amazon.com and I order stuff, their prices are in USD. Now, since I live in the EU and Amazon.com is a nice company, they give me the option to pay in EUR instead of USD. However, the deal we made has always been in USD, so when I ask for a refund, the amount I get in EUR most probably is not the same. If I don't want this risk, I should buy forex options.

What's happening with BFL is exactly the same. They price their stuff in USD and because they're a nice company, they allow anyone the option to pay in BTC. However, the deal will always be in USD and therefore refunds in BTC most probably differ in amount.

For people doing international trade, what's going on here is logical. For people that are not used to trading in more than one currency, this may feel like cheating.

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January 21, 2013, 11:35:52 AM
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When I go to Amazon.com and I order stuff, their prices are in USD. Now, since I live in the EU and Amazon.com is a nice company, they give me the option to pay in EUR instead of USD.
This has been answered many times os far... How many times I have to explain this to every idiot? Do I have to make a FAQ section about what is the difference between paying in bitcoins and paying in fiat with a credit card?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135301.msg1452436#msg1452436
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January 21, 2013, 11:55:06 AM
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January 21, 2013, 12:45:33 PM
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This has been answered many times os far... How many times I have to explain this to every idiot? Do I have to make a FAQ section about what is the difference between paying in bitcoins and paying in fiat with a credit card?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135301.msg1452436#msg1452436

First, I don't really like to be called "every idiot". But hey, that's how you get called on The Interwebz when you're right, nowadays.

Anyway, what happens legally:
1. The website advertises a product and puts a price on it: USD 1,299
2. You click the "pre-order" button and go to a page to perform a pre-order. You can select quantity, shipment and payment method; at the bottom you see the grant total of USD 1,387 which is an offer for a deal the company is doing
3. Once you agree to this offer, the situation is: (a) BFL has the obligation to ship the product to you and (b) you have the obligation to transfer USD 1,387 to BFL
4. To fulfill your part of the deal, you choose to send a certain amount of BTC that is equals to USD 1,387 at the time of payment; BFL accepts this as payment to fulfill your obligation and the new situation is: (a) BFL now has the obligation to ship the product to you and (b) you have no obligations anymore
4. Now, when BFL fails to ship the product in time, you have the right to annul the voidable contract; doing so changes the situation to one where the product should stay or return to BFL and the USD 1,387 should stay or return to you; since you've already fulfilled your part of the contract, this should be reversed and therefore the new situation is: (a) BFL has the obligation to transfer USD 1,387 to you and (b) you have no obligations to BFL under this contract

BFL must now transfer USD 1,387 to you. Said in another way, they have a debt with a value of USD 1,387. They can offer you an amount of BTC, probably with the current exchange rate, and you accept those as repayment of the debt, the case can be closed. If you deny, BFL probably offers to transfer USD 1,387 to repay the debt. You're not allow to deny this offer, since USD is declared legal tender and can therefore always be used to repay any debt in the US.

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January 21, 2013, 01:03:00 PM
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since USD is declared legal tender and can therefore always be used to repay any debt in the US.

Also, as far as I know, BTC isn't considered legal tender anywhere.  So that fucks up the whole argument anyway  Cool

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January 21, 2013, 04:01:27 PM
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Did someone hire this guy to keep us entertained or what? Whew! Next time I want a balloon clown at this children's party, or maybe a pirate.

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January 21, 2013, 04:36:18 PM
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3. Once you agree to this offer, the situation is: (a) BFL has the obligation to ship the product to you and (b) you have the obligation to transfer USD 1,387 to BFL
The situation is:
I had the obligation to transfer bitcoins, not dollars! In contrast to your frivolous interpretations I have given you a proof; screenshot of the BFL's invoice clearly showing price in bitcoins as well, AND instructions where to send bitcoins! If I had the obligation to transfer dollars they should have pointed me their dollar bank account! But they didn't. They wanted me to transfer EXACT amount in bitcoins to their specific bitcoin address!
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January 21, 2013, 04:41:26 PM
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Also, as far as I know, BTC isn't considered legal tender anywhere. 
Ah, this is something new... So, paying in bitcoins is illegal?!  Shocked
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Also, as far as I know, BTC isn't considered legal tender anywhere. 
Ah, this is something new... So, paying in bitcoins is illegal?!  Shocked

I wish to present you with a question that I have previously asked, but have not received an answer to yet.

You're a bit special aren't you?!?

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January 21, 2013, 04:57:45 PM
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Also, as far as I know, BTC isn't considered legal tender anywhere. 
Ah, this is something new... So, paying in bitcoins is illegal?!  Shocked




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January 21, 2013, 05:05:17 PM
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becoin you got your share of shame, now everybody is distracted by the rally and can't pay attention to you.
Come back later.

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January 21, 2013, 05:21:51 PM
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I wish to present you with a question that I have previously asked, but have not received an answer to yet.
You've been answered. Apparently asking questions is much more important to you than reading the answers.

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