The bASIC Refund Tracking Thread

[repentance]

PS - Dave, please note that your Bitcointalk profile is still pointing to the CAN-ELECTRIC (latest in the long list of shady web page edits to come out of Upstate New York) webpage.

Whoops thanks for letting me know!

Dave, for your own protection right now I strongly suggest you hold onto copies of any information you hold related to BTCFPGA.  The whole CAN-ELECTRIC fraud is very likely a criminal offence and investigators are probably going to want to talk to everyone who was associated with BTCFPGA about what's transpired over the last few weeks and how that fraud came about.

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Dave,
What is Tom's contact info? How can a person submit for a refund request now that you aren't helping? I'd really not like to have to escalate this matter if possible.

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Best email address I'm aware of is btcfpga@gmail.com

Dave,
Do you still have a master refund request list? How do I get on it?

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Dave. Do you still maintain the list?

[Karasur]

BASIC01 x1 unit, Order ID: #1648, Date Added: 22/10/2012, refund requested: 18.01.2013 (Dave), status: Payment Address Requested, Payment type: BTC, refund was received: NO, name: Karasur

[troc]

* Order date 29/09/2012
 * Order number 7xx
 * Quantity BASIC01 (the $1069.99 72GH/s unit) x1
 * Quantity BASIC02 (the $599.99 36GH/s unit)
 * Quantity BASIC02 --> BASIC01 upgrade
 * Order status currently shown on website n/a
 * Payment type Bitcoin
 * Date refund was requested 10/01/2013
 * Date refund was received ...

Almost a month since the refund was requested. I didn't get the email requesting the return btc address either; however I did send this unprompted along with the refund request. No sign of a refund for the shipping upgrade either.

[Shadow383]

I'm not a US citizen and my un-refunded orders only amount to $530 now (CC orders having been refunded, BTC ones not) but if anyone fancies setting up a class-action suit I'd join in an instant.


By the by Dave, how many of the BTC orders actually got refunded? I requested my refunds on the 15th of June (the day I heard about it) and the only contact I've had was from yourself a couple of weeks ago saying that I'd get my refund within 48 hours 

[||bit]

I'm not a US citizen and my un-refunded orders only amount to $530 now (CC orders having been refunded, BTC ones not) but if anyone fancies setting up a class-action suit I'd join in an instant.

Keep an eye open for threads on legal action.

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[repentance]

I'm not a US citizen and my un-refunded orders only amount to $530 now (CC orders having been refunded, BTC ones not) but if anyone fancies setting up a class-action suit I'd join in an instant.

You're not going to have enough people for a class action, for a start.  There are already people looking into what civil law remedies might be available but you need to bear in mind that you can't get blood from a stone.  The fact that you can sue someone doesn't mean that you'll recover anything by doing so.

[polrpaul]

I'm not a US citizen and my un-refunded orders only amount to $530 now (CC orders having been refunded, BTC ones not) but if anyone fancies setting up a class-action suit I'd join in an instant.

You're not going to have enough people for a class action, for a start.  There are already people looking into what civil law remedies might be available but you need to bear in mind that you can't get blood from a stone.  The fact that you can sue someone doesn't mean that you'll recover anything by doing so.

Unless a Court has something to say about it.. If legal recourse is founded, a Judge could order Tom to pay it all back plus time behind bars.

[yxt]

un-refunded order amount: $690

[repentance]

Unless a Court has something to say about it.. If legal recourse is founded, a Judge could order Tom to pay it all back plus time behind bars.

There's little doubt that Tom would be ordered to refund people - that doesn't mean people would actually get refunded, though.  Ask the people still waiting to be refunded by Bruce Wagner from the Bold Funding scam how effective court orders are when someone doesn't have substantial assets which can be seized to satisfy a judgement. 

Criminal action increases the likelihood of Tom being punished in some way if intention to defraud (and associated offences) can be proven, but it doesn't necessarily make it more likely that people will receive what they are owed. 

[Bitbird]

#Order date:
02/10/2012
23/11/2012

 #Order number:
985
2010

#Quantity BASIC01 (the $1069.99 72GH/s unit)
x1

#Quantity BASIC02 (the $599.99 36GH/s unit)
x1

#Order status currently shown on website
Refund Requested
Refund Requested

#Payment type
Bitcoin
Bitcoin

#Date refund was requested
29/01/2013

#Date refund was received (empty if not received)

[let em have it.]

  My fingers clearly not on the pulse, i was under the impression that they were going to release the bASIC under new management until today. Had it been under new management i would of waited for the bASIC to be released, this clearly changes things.

   How are you guys asking for refunds, direct contact with Tom/Dave or through CC companies?

   My order number: 1254
   Date order placed: 8/10/12
   Outstanding refund for bASIC $1099

   Just emailed Tom and Dave to see whats going on, as in btcFPGA forum, Dave said all CC refunds had been processed as end January.

   Dave if you see this any update would be much appreciated, before i contact CC company about refund.

  UPDATE: Spoken with Bank and refund received. Thanks Dave.

    So seems i'm also a little paranoid, Avalon address is listed as Albany NY and btcFPGA, people should be avoiding were only couple of hundred KMs away in Hannibal, NY.

[polrpaul]

WOW!! From the last couple of posts I gather bASIC order numbers increased from 985 to 2010 (roughly 1,000 orders) over a 2 month period (October-November 2012)
That's an average of about 18 orders per day. Assuming the average order was for $1,000?... holy crud, do the math.. that's a cool million right there!!

Anyone know when bASIC orders began?
And can I assume people were ordering up until January 2013?

[DeathAndTaxes]

 My fingers clearly not on the pulse, i was under the impression that they were going to release the bASIC under new management until today. Had it been under new management i would of waited for the bASIC to be released, this clearly changes things.

   How are you guys asking for refunds, direct contact with Tom/Dave or through CC companies?

   My order number: 1254
   Date order placed: 8/10/12
   Outstanding refund for bASIC $1099

   Just emailed Tom and Dave to see whats going on, as in btcFPGA forum, Dave said all CC refunds had been processed as end January.

   Dave if you see this any update would be much appreciated, before i contact CC company about refund.

Contact your CC company immediately and start a chargeback for fraud.  I mean how much warning signs do you need?  Wait and there is a good chance you will never get a single penny.

If you need a bold warning sign.

WARNING WARNING WARNING
POTENTIAL LOSS OF FUNDS DETECTED.  RECOMMEND EMERGENCY CHARGEBACK.
WARNING WARNING WARNING:

[SolarSilver]

WOW!! From the last couple of posts I gather bASIC order numbers increased from 985 to 2010 (roughly 1,000 orders) over a 2 month period (October-November 2012)

The numbers are deceptive as in November or December the orders moved from http://btcfpga.com to http://bitcoinasic.com

The counter was probably bumped to a new virtual zero (2000?) at that point

my bASIC order was #299 and that was the old system. I was around the 20th person to order a bASIC, so those order numbers are
mixed in with older fpga only orders.

[polrpaul]

WOW!! From the last couple of posts I gather bASIC order numbers increased from 985 to 2010 (roughly 1,000 orders) over a 2 month period (October-November 2012)

The numbers are deceptive as in November or December the orders moved from http://btcfpga.com to http://bitcoinasic.com

The counter was probably bumped to a new virtual zero (2000?) at that point

my bASIC order was #299 and that was the old system. I was around the 20th person to order a bASIC, so those order numbers are
mixed in with older fpga only orders.

I see.. thanks for that clarification.

So, any estimates on the total $ amount scammed?

[sgravina]

Order date                                                      September 29, 2012
number                                                          794
Quantity BASIC01 (the $1069.99 72GH/s unit)  4
Quantity BASIC02 (the $599.99 36GH/s unit)    0
Quantity BASIC02 --> BASIC01 upgrade           0
Order status currently shown on website           Refund Requested
Payment type                                                  Bitcoin
Date refund was requested                               January 13, 2013
Date refund was received                                 Never

[||bit]

Order date                                                      September 29, 2012
number                                                          794
Quantity BASIC01 (the $1069.99 72GH/s unit)  4
Quantity BASIC02 (the $599.99 36GH/s unit)    0
Quantity BASIC02 --> BASIC01 upgrade           0
Order status currently shown on website           Refund Requested
Payment type                                                  Bitcoin
Date refund was requested                               January 13, 2013
Date refund was received                                 Never

LOL!!... Why do you still have the advertisement at the bottom of your posting that reads?:

54Gh/s [snip] Bitcoin Mining Devices
Pre-Order Yours Today!    
Only $1069.99 ! @ [snip]

Please, delete it so people unfamiliar with it don't fall into that money pit. I wouldn't be surprised if the website was still taking orders.

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[polrpaul]

Order date                                                      September 29, 2012
number                                                          794
Quantity BASIC01 (the $1069.99 72GH/s unit)  4
Quantity BASIC02 (the $599.99 36GH/s unit)    0
Quantity BASIC02 --> BASIC01 upgrade           0
Order status currently shown on website           Refund Requested
Payment type                                                  Bitcoin
Date refund was requested                               January 13, 2013
Date refund was received                                 Never

LOL!!... Why do you still have the advertisement at the bottom of your posting that reads?:

54Gh/s [snip] Bitcoin Mining Devices
Pre-Order Yours Today!    
Only $1069.99 ! @ [snip]

Please, delete it so people unfamiliar with it don't fall into that money pit. I wouldn't be surprised if the website was still taking orders.

||bit

LOL.. for real! Good lookin' out ||bit.

It appears https://www.bitcoinasic.net/ no longer shows the same page - now under construction.

[sgravina]

There I fixed my signature.

The signature was from that awful contest that bASIC ran.  I had to post everyday for weeks to be eligible.  Nothing I said was worth reading.  The burden of that contest is worth another $1000 lost.