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[Loepuenkyou]

Today the third and final day of MotoGP Official Test at Sepang.
Here are the results today:


1 VIÑALES, Maverick | Movistar Yamaha MotoGP | 1:59.368                     
2 MARQUEZ, Marc | Repsol Honda Team             | 1:59.506 +0.138
3 DOVIZIOSO, Andrea | Ducati Team                  | 1:59.553 +0.185
4 PEDROSA, Dani | Repsol Honda Team               | 1:59.578 +0.210
5 ROSSI, Valentino | Movistar Yamaha MotoGP    | 1:59.589 +0.221 
6 BAUTISTA, Alvaro | Pull&Bear Aspar Team        | 1:59.628 +0.260 
7 STONER, Casey | Ducati Test Team                  | 1:59.639 +0.271 
8 CRUTCHLOW, Cal | LCR Honda                         | 1:59.728 +0.360
9 LORENZO, Jorge | Ducati Team                        | 1:59.767 +0.399
10 ZARCO, Johann | Monster Yamaha Tech 3       | 1:59.772 +0.404 
11 IANNONE, Andrea | Team SUZUKI ECSTAR     | 2:00.045 +0.677 
12 RINS, Alex | Team SUZUKI ECSTAR               | 2:00.057 +0.689
13 ESPARGARO, Aleix | Aprilia Racing  Gresini     | 2:00.108 +0.740 
14 PETRUCCI, Danilo | Octo Pramac Racing         | 2:00.310 +0.942
15 FOLGER, Jonas | Monster Yamaha Tech 3       | 2:00.312 +0.944
16 MILLER, Jack | Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS           | 2:00.439 +1.071
17 ABRAHAM, Karel | Pull&Bear Aspar Team        | 2:00.445 +1.077
18 BARBERA, Hector |Reale Esponsorama Racing | 2:00.537 +1.169
19 REDDING, Scott | Octo Pramac Racing            | 2:00.645 +1.277
20 BAZ, Loris | Reale Esponsorama Racing           | 2:00.873 +1.505
21 SMITH, Bradley | Red Bull KTM Factory Racing | 2:01.338 +1.970 
22 LOWES, Sam | Aprilia Racing Team Gresini      | 2:01.341 +1.973 
23 ESPARGARO, Pol |Red Bull KTM Factory Racing | 2:01.506 +2.138
24 NAKASUGA, Katsuyuki |Yamaha Factory Racing | 2:01.658 +2.290
25 TSUDA, Takuya | Suzuki Test Team                  | 2:02.769 +3.401
NC: NOZANE Kohta; PIRRO Michele; RABAT Tito.

Andrea Iannone did his best time on day 2: 1’59.452 , the second fastest time among all drivers.

these days of testing have made important informations:

-Vinales Is already very fast and it will be one of the candidates to victory this year
-Lorenzo has yet to find the right feeling with his new Ducati
-Dovizioso instead it is already very well with this Ducati
-Stoner Is very talented and it's a shame not to see him in the race

is good result to marck vinales, next time maybe in moto GP can batle vinales vs marques
but this season i want is competitif batle in 4 team, suzuki,ducati,yamaha and honda
vinales,rossi,marques,lorenzo , ianone and alex rin from suzuki can competitif batle in race

[tokeweed]

I just saw the pre-season and this year's F1 calendar.  Hopefully Ferrari builds a car fast enough for Vettel to be competitive.  Redbull going for the title both in the Driver's Championship and the Constructor's Championship is a given.  Mercedes on the other hand will surely enjoy the engine advantage it has for the past three years.  Anyway here's the calendar.  Can't wait to see the new cars and for the season to start!

Launch Schedule
February 21: Renault
February 22: Force India
February 23: Mercedes
February 24: Ferrari
February 24: McLaren
February 26: Toro Rosso

Pre-season Test Schedule
February 27: Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona
February 28: Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona
March 1: Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona
March 2: Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona
March 7: Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona
March 8: Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona
March 9: Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona
March 10: Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona

F1 Calendar
March 26: Melbourne, Australia
April 9: Shanghai, China
April 16: Bahrain, Bahrain
April 30: Sochi, Russia
May 14: Barcelona, Spain
May 28: Monte Carlo, Monaco
June 11: Montreal, Canada
June 25: Baku, Azerbaijan
July 9: Spielberg, Austria
July 16: Silverstone, United Kingdom
July 30: Budapest, Hungary
August 27: Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium
September 3: Monza, Italy
September 17: Singapore, Singapore
October 1: Sepang, Malaysia
October 8: Suzuka, Japan
October 22: Austin, USA
October 29: Mexico City, Mexico
November 12: Sao Paolo, Brazil
November 26: Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates

[azguard]

Nice @tokeweed just preparing the same text. NVM.

Read something and see that F1 official sites also have some speculations that new McLaren will be orange color, dont think is not that true but found on several places almost same thing most speculate on orange only few on yellow. Man this year formula1 from what i have read will be like circus show on colors i mean.

Still i dont believe until i see it in little more then 10 days.

[bbc.reporter]

McClaren having an orange car with some yellow in there? That would be ridiculous. It is far from the cool silver finish they had years ago when Lewis drove for them.

I also heard that the CEO is leaving after being with them for only a few months. Their team manager is also leaving and he is going to Williams. Is McClaren a sinking ship?

[Dux2K]

McClaren having an orange car with some yellow in there? That would be ridiculous. It is far from the cool silver finish they had years ago when Lewis drove for them.

I also heard that the CEO is leaving after being with them for only a few months. Their team manager is also leaving and he is going to Williams. Is McClaren a sinking ship?

Who knows maybe it is or they wanted to change something and didn't get approval. Read that really all speculate that mclaren will be orange. That would be funny I'm hopping to see red, white and black colour.

[ArdiPrabowo]

McClaren having an orange car with some yellow in there? That would be ridiculous. It is far from the cool silver finish they had years ago when Lewis drove for them.

I also heard that the CEO is leaving after being with them for only a few months. Their team manager is also leaving and he is going to Williams. Is McClaren a sinking ship?

before in year 2000 mclaren and william is big team and always competition to champhion, william driver damon hill, jaques vilineu ,juan pablo montoyo,
and mclaren with mika hakinen, but this now william and mclaren can't competition to champion only midle and low class

and mclaren is brand car always silver arrow, but this now want yellow brand

[bbc.reporter]

@ArdiPrabowo. I will take that answer as McClaren is now a sinking ship. Poor Fernando he still can win a championship if he was in a better team. I now wish he was given the Mercedes seat instead of Valterri Bottas. That would make this year's season more interesting at least. We would not want another boring one like last year.

[azguard]

McClaren having an orange car with some yellow in there? That would be ridiculous. It is far from the cool silver finish they had years ago when Lewis drove for them.

I also heard that the CEO is leaving after being with them for only a few months. Their team manager is also leaving and he is going to Williams. Is McClaren a sinking ship?

before in year 2000 mclaren and william is big team and always competition to champhion, william driver damon hill, jaques vilineu ,juan pablo montoyo,
and mclaren with mika hakinen, but this now william and mclaren can't competition to champion only midle and low class

and mclaren is brand car always silver arrow, but this now want yellow brand

What is this is just another bad response or it will really be silver with some orange or yellow but the more i have searched the more i was that this information is from same guy almost same text same quotes, dont believe until I see it.

[bbc.reporter]

According to some articles I have read, Nico Rosberg said that Mercedes is still contemplating about having Sebastian Vettel in their team. Sebastian's contract will expire after this season and he has still not tried to make a deal for a new contract with Ferrari. Think of the timing of hiring Valteri Bottas and giving him only a 1 year contract and Sebastian's expiring contract at the end of the season.

[Dux2K]

According to some articles I have read, Nico Rosberg said that Mercedes is still contemplating about having Sebastian Vettel in their team. Sebastian's contract will expire after this season and he has still not tried to make a deal for a new contract with Ferrari. Think of the timing of hiring Valteri Bottas and giving him only a 1 year contract and Sebastian's expiring contract at the end of the season.

There was rumor for this at the end of season, my only concern is what would be team orders who would be first driver in this team then.

[cicciobtc]

MotoGP Phillip Island Test 2017 Day 1 results:

1)MARQUEZ, Marc     Repsol Honda Team             1:29.497
2)ROSSI, Valentino   Movistar Yamaha MotoGP      1:29.683   0.186
3)IANNONE, Andrea  Team SUZUKI ECSTAR          1:29.926   0.429
4)VIÑALES, Maverick Movistar Yamaha MotoGP      1:29.989   0.492
5)CRUTCHLOW, Cal   LCR Honda                           1:30.065   0.568
6)PETRUCCI,Danilo    Octo Pramac Racing              1:30.262   0.765
7)PEDROSA, Dani      Repsol Honda Team              1:30.281   0.784
8)DOVIZIOSO, Andrea Ducati Team                       1:30.410   0.913
9)MILLER, Jack Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS                  1:30.426   0.929
10)FOLGER, Jonas Monster Yamaha Tech 3             1:30.578   1.081
11)LORENZO, Jorge Ducati Team                           1:30.631   1.134
12)BAUTISTA, Alvaro Pull&Bear Aspar Team           1:30.770   1.273
13)BARBERA, Hector Reale Esponsorama Racing     1:30.771   1.274
14)ESPARGARO, Aleix Aprilia Racing Team Gresini   1:30.802   1.305
15)ZARCO, Johann Monster Yamaha Tech 3            1:30.867   1.370
16)ABRAHAM, Karel Pull&Bear Aspar Team             1:31.179   1.682
17)ESPARGARO, Pol Red Bull KTM Factory Racing   1:31.200   1.703
18)BAZ, Loris Reale Esponsorama Racing               1:31.249   1.752
19)RINS, Alex Team SUZUKI ECSTAR                    1:31.432   1.935
20)REDDING, Scott Octo Pramac Racing                1:31.755   2.258
21)LOWES, Sam Aprilia Racing Team Gresini          1:32.307   2.810
22)SMITH, Bradley Red Bull KTM Factory Racing     1:32.690   3.193



In the first day of test, Marquez and Rossi have almost SAME time.
 Also on this track there very balanced with 9 riders in less than one second.

[cicciobtc]

MotoGP Phillip Island Test 2017 Day 2 results:

1)VIÑALES, Maverick  Movistar Yamaha MotoGP     1:28.847
2)MARQUEZ, Marc      Repsol Honda Team             1:29.309 0.462
3)CRUTCHLOW, Cal     LCR Honda                         1:29.325 0.478
4)BAUTISTA, Alvaro    Pull&Bear Aspar Team         1:29.411 0.564
5)DOVIZIOSO, Andrea Ducati Team                      1:29.483 0.636
6)ESPARGARO, Aleix   Aprilia Racing Team Gresini 1:29.501 0.654
7)FOLGER, Jonas        Monster Yamaha Tech 3      1:29.664 0.817
8)ROSSI, Valentino     Movistar Yamaha MotoGP    1:29.674 0.827
9)RINS, Alex Team     SUZUKI ECSTAR                 1:29.802 0.955
10)MILLER, Jack         Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS       1:29.838 0.991
11)ZARCO, Johann     Monster Yamaha Tech 3       1:29.880 1.033
12)IANNONE, Andrea  Team SUZUKI ECSTAR        1:29.947 1.100
13)ABRAHAM, Karel    Pull&Bear Aspar Team         1:30.142 1.295
14)PETRUCCI, Danilo  Octo Pramac Racing             1:30.150 1.303
15)LORENZO, Jorge    Ducati Team                        1:30.197 1.350
16)PEDROSA, Dani     Repsol Honda Team              1:30.245 1.398
17)BARBERA, Hector  Reale Esponsorama Racing    1:30.352 1.505
18)REDDING, Scott    Octo Pramac Racing              1:30.435 1.588
19)ESPARGARO, Pol    Red Bull KTM Factory Racing 1:30.645 1.798
20)BAZ, Loris Reale    Esponsorama Racing             1:30.852 2.005
21)LOWES, Sam        Aprilia Racing Team Gresini    1:30.895 2.048
22)SMITH, Bradley     Red Bull KTM Factory Racing  1:31.704 2.857


Great time to vinales today, the only rider with a time less than 1:29:00.
There are 12 riders today with a time less than 1:30:00.
Lorenzo seems to have difficulty with Ducati
Valentino Rossi said today not to be very competitive, and tomorrow  will try to change the settings.

[azguard]

Yea this is good but i said it dont wanna rush thing im glad to see 10 riders at least in 1 second gap this is good.
It will be good to see this happening, im hoping so big to see more then 2-3 riders battle for win. From this next season will offers little more then this.

[tokeweed]

There's an interesting development in the F1 landscape.  Allison, former Chief Technical Director of Ferrari has joined Mercedes.  I'm wondering if Vettel is close with Allison and if Mercedes is slowly acquiring key people that would best complement the German and to maintain a dominant position in F1.

Allison to Join Mercedes as New Technical Director
http://www.planetf1.com/news/mercedes-announce-allison-as-new-technical-director/

Are the rumors of last year finally becoming true?

Remember this persistent rumor from last year?  the truth could finally be unraveling.  Read below.

Maurizio Arrivabene Plays Down Sebastian Vettel, James Allison Rumours
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/formula-1/ferrari/news/arrivabene-plays-down-vettel-allison-rumours_277444.html

[azguard]

There's an interesting development in the F1 landscape.  Allison, former Chief Technical Director of Ferrari has joined Mercedes.  I'm wondering if Vettel is close with Allison and if Mercedes is slowly acquiring key people that would best complement the German and to maintain a dominant position in F1.

Allison to Join Mercedes as New Technical Director
http://www.planetf1.com/news/mercedes-announce-allison-as-new-technical-director/

Are the rumors of last year finally becoming true?

Remember this persistent rumor from last year?  the truth could finally be unraveling.  Read below.

Maurizio Arrivabene Plays Down Sebastian Vettel, James Allison Rumours
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/formula-1/ferrari/news/arrivabene-plays-down-vettel-allison-rumours_277444.html

Yea i remember this there were talk that if one goes other will go to. From my point of view this mean that Vettel will come next year to Mercedes. But just to strait thing up, this king of thing happen very often in motosport in most cases there have different opinion but lately it for the money.

Think that in mid season we can speculate for some transfers.

[cicciobtc]

MotoGP Phillip Island Test 2017 Day 3 results (last day):

1)VIÑALES, Maverick  Movistar Yamaha MotoGP     1:28.549
2)MARQUEZ, Marc      Repsol Honda Team             1:28.843 0.294
3)PEDROSA, Dani       Repsol Honda Team             1:29.033 0.484
4)FOLGER, Jonas        Monster Yamaha Tech 3       1:29.042 0.493
5)CRUTCHLOW, Cal     LCR Honda                         1:29.101 0.552
6)RINS, Alex Team      SUZUKI ECSTAR                 1:29.103 0.554
7)DOVIZIOSO, Andrea Ducati Team                       1:29.248 0.699
8)LORENZO, Jorge       Ducati Team                       1:29.342 0.793
9)MILLER, Jack           Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS         1:29.358 0.809
10)ESPARGARO, Aleix  Aprilia Racing Team Gresini  1:29.361 0.812
11)ROSSI, Valentino    Movistar Yamaha MotoGP     1:29.470 0.921
12)IANNONE, Andrea    Team SUZUKI ECSTAR        1:29.547 0.998
13)PETRUCCI, Danilo    Octo Pramac Racing            1:29.615 1.066
14)ZARCO, Johann      Monster Yamaha Tech 3        1:29.670 1.121
15)BARBERA, Hector    Reale Esponsorama Racing   1:29.791 1.242
16)ESPARGARO, Pol     Red Bull KTM Factory Racing 1:29.857 1.308
17)BAZ, Loris               Reale Esponsorama Racing   1:29.977 1.428
18)SMITH, Bradley       Red Bull KTM Factory Racing 1:29.978 1.429
19)BAUTISTA, Alvaro    Pull&Bear Aspar Team          1:29.984 1.435
20)REDDING, Scott       Octo Pramac Racing             1:30.005 1.456
21)LOWES, Sam          Aprilia Racing Team Gresini    1:30.200 1.651
22)ABRAHAM, Karel     Pull&Bear Aspar Team            1:30.452 1.903



Even more balance in the last day of testing. Many have improved their times and are the top 12 riders in less than a second.
 From the third to 20th place there is less than a second.
If there is this balance throughout the season we will see each track of the various protagonists.

[Dux2K]

This test results are phenomenal if this comes to first  race of the season i can't image who will win or even better who will take pole

[novemberwoah]

MotoGP Phillip Island Test 2017 Day 3 results (last day):

1)VIÑALES, Maverick  Movistar Yamaha MotoGP     1:28.549
2)MARQUEZ, Marc      Repsol Honda Team             1:28.843 0.294
3)PEDROSA, Dani       Repsol Honda Team             1:29.033 0.484
4)FOLGER, Jonas        Monster Yamaha Tech 3       1:29.042 0.493
5)CRUTCHLOW, Cal     LCR Honda                         1:29.101 0.552
6)RINS, Alex Team      SUZUKI ECSTAR                 1:29.103 0.554
7)DOVIZIOSO, Andrea Ducati Team                       1:29.248 0.699
8)LORENZO, Jorge       Ducati Team                       1:29.342 0.793
9)MILLER, Jack           Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS         1:29.358 0.809
10)ESPARGARO, Aleix  Aprilia Racing Team Gresini  1:29.361 0.812
11)ROSSI, Valentino    Movistar Yamaha MotoGP     1:29.470 0.921
12)IANNONE, Andrea    Team SUZUKI ECSTAR        1:29.547 0.998
13)PETRUCCI, Danilo    Octo Pramac Racing            1:29.615 1.066
14)ZARCO, Johann      Monster Yamaha Tech 3        1:29.670 1.121
15)BARBERA, Hector    Reale Esponsorama Racing   1:29.791 1.242
16)ESPARGARO, Pol     Red Bull KTM Factory Racing 1:29.857 1.308
17)BAZ, Loris               Reale Esponsorama Racing   1:29.977 1.428
18)SMITH, Bradley       Red Bull KTM Factory Racing 1:29.978 1.429
19)BAUTISTA, Alvaro    Pull&Bear Aspar Team          1:29.984 1.435
20)REDDING, Scott       Octo Pramac Racing             1:30.005 1.456
21)LOWES, Sam          Aprilia Racing Team Gresini    1:30.200 1.651
22)ABRAHAM, Karel     Pull&Bear Aspar Team            1:30.452 1.903



Even more balance in the last day of testing. Many have improved their times and are the top 12 riders in less than a second.
 From the third to 20th place there is less than a second.
If there is this balance throughout the season we will see each track of the various protagonists.

It looks like Maverick Viñales will be great at the Movistar Yamaha. He became the fastest in some test, it indicates he is very suitable at the Movistar Yamaha. Especially he was a teammate with Valentino Rossi, he will get a lot of experience.

If I may ask, if anyone has a Moto GP 2017 race schedule could please share here, it would help me.

[tokeweed]

Sauber officially unveils their new car for the 2017 season, the C-36-Ferrari.  It looks good!  I like the new finish with the blue and then the gold and the white lines.  According to the team not a single component was used from the C-35 to the new car.  And they have focused on aerodynamic stability instead of more down force.  Let's see how it pans out for them this year.

Can't wait for the others to present their cars!

Edit:  According to Hamilton the new Mercedes looks like a boat.  Lol.

[LTU_btc]

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/ml83H.jpeg

Sauber officially unveils their new car for the 2017 season, the C-36-Ferrari.  It looks good!  I like the new finish with the blue and then the gold and the white lines.  According to the team not a single component was used from the C-35 to the new car.  And they have focused on aerodynamic stability instead of more down force.  Let's see how it pans out for them this year.

Can't wait for the others to present their cars!

Edit:  According to Hamilton the new Mercedes looks like a boat.  Lol.

Last season was terrible for Sauber, they won only two points, and had serious financial problems. Now, when Manor team bankrupted, it will be hard for Sauber to not finnish in the last place.
And also, few days ago, Williams published few first images of their new car:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/revealed-first-images-of-2017-williams-f1-car-874302/