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[Dux2K]

After this double weekend we saw many mistakes in both F1 and motoGP. We had incident with Ferrari in pit with kimi 2nd tyre change, lucky for team no injuries and that is good. Race was ok Ferrari other driver seb made then 2nd win this season, maybe they made good car this time long to play till end of this season.

In motoGP we saw one thing that was good for whole race and that was Marquez kamikaze riding. Must say this word he was great considering everything but he was this time a real kamikaze rider like those pilot in WWII. If he didnt made all those mistakes probably race would be boring this was race was good.

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[tokeweed]

Amazing racewith dramatic finnish. Masterclass by Vettel - 35 laps in soft tyres. One lap more and Bottas probably would overtake him.
Awful weekend for Red Bull - both drivers retired in first laps - Ricciardo retired due to technical problems and Verstappen after collision with Hamilton.
Great achievement by Gasly - he finnished 4th. Well, maybe Honda engines aren't that bad .
While Alonso now 4th in drivers championship and Mclaren 3rd in constructors cup - really solid results so far.
And Kimi had very bad accident during pit stop. One of Ferarri mechanics was injured - his leg was broken...

Just saw the replay...  Yup, Vettel managed those tires well.  But props to his whole team for getting the calculations and the pit timing right.  

And by the looks of it I think I'm gonna lose both prop bets.  Lol.

Edit:  Just read that Vettel was supposed to pit twice but his team decided to risk it and let him finish with his tires.  What a sweet win.

[mattcode]

Ouch, I hope the Ferrari mechanic is okay.

Shame that Verstappen, Ricciardo, and Raikkonen didn't get to finish, but I'm glad that Vettel won

ninja edit The Ferrari mechanic is okay after his surgery

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Hey guys... It's the Chinese GP!  It would have been nice if somebody bumped the thread to remind us.  

I totally thought the race wasn't on for another two weeks.  FP1 and FP2 are done.  Hamilton is looking good it seems...

If I'm the only guy to keep bringing more info about F1, then I think I'm gonna make a thread per event in an attempt to get new people to follow the races and keep the discussions isolated per event.

2018 Chinese GP FP1 Leaderboard

1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:33.999
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 0.359s
3 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 0.458s
4 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 0.538s
5 Max Verstappen Red Bull 0.669s
6 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 0.862s
7 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1.179s
8 Carlos Sainz Renault 1.617s
9 Romain Grosjean Haas 1.719s
10 Nico Hulkenberg Renault 1.801s
11 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso 2.038s
12 Fernando Alonso McLaren 2.045s
13 Sergio Perez Force India 2.052s
14 Esteban Ocon Force India 2.352s
15 Sergey Sirotkin Williams 2.692s
16 Brendon Hartley Toro Rosso 2.716s
17 Charles Leclerc Sauber 2.724s
18 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren 2.757s
19 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 2.91s
20 Lance Stroll Williams 3.278s

2018 Chinese GP FP2 Leaderboard

1     Lewis Hamilton     Mercedes     1:33.482 US    
2     Kimi Raikkonen     Ferrari     0.007s US
3     Valtteri Bottas     Mercedes     0.033s US
4     Sebastian Vettel     Ferrari     0.108s US
5     Max Verstappen     Red Bull     0.341s US
6     Nico Hulkenberg     Renault     0.831s US
7     Kevin Magnussen     Haas     0.976s US
8     Carlos Sainz     Renault     0.991s US
9     Daniel Ricciardo     Red Bull     1.075s US  
10   Fernando Alonso     McLaren     1.15s  US
11   Sergio Perez     Force India     1.31s US
12   Pierre Gasly     Toro Rosso     1.367s US  
13   Esteban Ocon     Force India     1.392s US  
14   Stoffel Vandoorne     McLaren     1.681s US  
15   Brendon Hartley     Toro Rosso     1.851s US    
16   Sergey Sirotkin     Williams     1.858s US
17   Marcus Ericsson     Sauber     2.142s US
18   Charles Leclerc     Sauber     2.434s  US
19   Romain Grosjean Haas 2.989s SS
20   Lance Stroll Williams 3.665s US

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If Vettel wins this then I guess it would be safe to assume that he's gonna win his first driver's championship with Ferrari...?  I don't think there was a driver who lost one after winning the first three races.  At least that's what I'm told (by my friend, who prolly was talking out of his ass ).

2018 Chinese GP FP3 Leaderboard

1 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1:33.018
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 0.451s
3 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 0.743s
4 Max Verstappen Red Bull 0.951s
5 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1.039s
6 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1.311s
7 Sergio Perez Force India 1.427s
8 Esteban Ocon Force India 1.438s
9 Carlos Sainz Renault 1.564s
10 Sergey Sirotkin Williams 1.723s
11 Nico Hulkenberg Renault 1.823s
12 Fernando Alonso McLaren 1.833s
13 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren 1.959s
14 Brendon Hartley Toro Rosso 1.973s
15 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 2.043s
16 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso 2.061s
17 Lance Stroll Williams 2.357s
18 Charles Leclerc Sauber 2.479s
19 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 2.661s
20 Romain Grosjean Haas 2.738s

2018 Chinese GP Qualifying Results

1 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1:31.095
2 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1:31.182 0.087
3 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 1:31.625 0.53
4 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:31.675 0.58
5 Max Verstappen Red Bull 1:31.796 0.701
6 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 1:31.948 0.853
7 Nico Hulkenberg Renault 1:32.532 1.437
8 Sergio Perez Force India 1:32.758 1.663
9 Carlos Sainz Renault 1:32.819 1.724
10 Romain Grosjean Haas 1:32.855 1.76
11 Kevin Magnussen Haas 1:32.986
12 Esteban Ocon Force India 1:33.057
13 Fernando Alonso McLaren 1:33.232
14 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren 1:33.505
15 Brendon Hartley Toro Rosso 1:33.795
16 Sergey Sirotkin Williams 1:34.062
17 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso 1:34.101
18 Lance Stroll Williams 1:34.285
19 Charles Leclerc Sauber 1:34.454
20 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 1:34.914

[LTU_btc]

If Vettel wins this then I guess it would be safe to assume that he's gonna win his first driver's championship with Ferrari...?  I don't think there was a driver who lost one after winning the first three races.  At least that's what I'm told (by my friend, who prolly was talking out of his ass ).

It's way too early say only after 2 first races and qualification of 3rd GP.. It's not first time when Ferrari are starting strong, but season is very long. Despite that Mercedes doesn't looks impressive but I'm sure that there will be a close fight between and Vettel and Hamilton throughout the season.

[bbc.reporter]

@LTU_btc. I agree. Last season was also started strongly by Ferrari, but by the race in Baku, you can already see that Sebastian Vettel was already in a full breakdown and giving their season away to Mercedes.

But what I want to see is Lewis and Sebastian both driving for Ferrari. I want to see who's the better driver hehehe. I reckon it might be Lewis.

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I didn't watch the race, didn't see any highlights and no reading of news, articles, blogs or race reviews or anything.  All I know is Ricciardo won wow, how did that happen?  I can't wait to watch the replay and see what really happened...  My best guess would be a collision or something.

And I made a last minute bet on Hamilton at 4.50.  It seemed like value at the time...  Meh.

Anyway here are the results.  I did a quick copy/paste.  Lol.

2018 Chinese GP Race Results

1 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull
2 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 8.894s
3 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 9.637s
4 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 16.985s
5 Max Verstappen Red Bull 20.436s
6 Nico Hulkenberg Renault 21.052s
7 Fernando Alonso McLaren 30.639s
8 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 35.286s
9 Carlos Sainz Renault 35.763s
10 Kevin Magnussen Haas 39.594s
11 Esteban Ocon Force India 44.050s
12 Sergio Perez Force India 44.725s
13 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren 49.373s
14 Lance Stroll Williams 55.490s
15 Sergey Sirotkin Williams 58.241s
16 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 62.604s
17 Romain Grosjean Haas 65.296s
18 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso 66.330s
19 Charles Leclerc Sauber 82.575s
20 Brendon Hartley Toro Rosso 5 LAPS

[LTU_btc]

It was great race to watch. When safety car was released Red Bull decided to make free pit stop and change tyres for both drivers. And with fresh tyres Ricciardo and Verstappen was much faster than Ferrari and Mercedes drivers who hadn't chance to make 2nd pit stop. Ricciardo overtake all hos opponents. It's interesting that Ricciardo won all his races when he started out of top 3.
Verstappen also had fresh tyres but he made banzai attack against Vettel. I don't know why Max are always risking to much when there are no chance to overtake. He had to be more patient and attack Vettel on next DRS zone. He got 10 sec. time penalty but still finnished above Vettel
I think that Ferrari failed with Kimi today, they had to change his tyres earlier, because he lost some positions. But after collision between Vettel and Verstappen he returned to 3rd position.

[BitcoinSupremo]

Good race to watch however as a fan of Mclaren I am greatly disappointed with their poor performance and they supposedly have a better engine than Honda with the Renault this year. They are fighting in a mediocre way in the middle of the field, it is a shame for Mclaren to be not fighting for the top stops from many years now. Probably their aerodynamics engineering team is not as good as it should be.

[tokeweed]

It was great race to watch. When safety car was released Red Bull decided to make free pit stop and change tyres for both drivers. And with fresh tyres Ricciardo and Verstappen was much faster than Ferrari and Mercedes drivers who hadn't chance to make 2nd pit stop. Ricciardo overtake all hos opponents. It's interesting that Ricciardo won all his races when he started out of top 3.
Verstappen also had fresh tyres but he made banzai attack against Vettel. I don't know why Max are always risking to much when there are no chance to overtake. He had to be more patient and attack Vettel on next DRS zone. He got 10 sec. time penalty but still finnished above Vettel
I think that Ferrari failed with Kimi today, they had to change his tyres earlier, because he lost some positions. But after collision between Vettel and Verstappen he returned to 3rd position.

Watched the race and read the reviews...  So it seems there's some sort of controversy with Whiting's call on the safety car.  He made it at a time that would make it impossible for Vettel and Bottas pit if they wanted to.  Some fans are saying that he was trying to rig the race for a Hamilton win, but Hamilton didn't pit.  Ricciardo and Verstappen did.

Anyway I wonder what would've happened if Hamilton also made the pit and switched to the soft tires...

[bbc.reporter]

Some gossip on the internet saying that Lewis will leave Mercedes for Ferrari in the end of this season, and then Ricciardo will also leave Redbull and go to Mercedes.

Source https://www.eurosport.com/formula-1/season-2018/2018/mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-admits-lewis-hamilton-could-join-ferrari_sto6709307/story.shtml

I am not sure how true but I would like to see Lewis and Sebastian in one team and settle who is better once and for all.

Also that makes one Redbull seat vacant for Fernando Alonso hehehe.

[LTU_btc]

Some gossip on the internet saying that Lewis will leave Mercedes for Ferrari in the end of this season, and then Ricciardo will also leave Redbull and go to Mercedes.

Source https://www.eurosport.com/formula-1/season-2018/2018/mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-admits-lewis-hamilton-could-join-ferrari_sto6709307/story.shtml

I am not sure how true but I would like to see Lewis and Sebastian in one team and settle who is better once and for all.

Also that makes one Redbull seat vacant for Fernando Alonso hehehe.

I hardly can imagine Hamilton and Vettel in the same team. But there are lot of speculations about Ricciardo, will he join Ferrari or Mercedes. But few days ago I saw news that he will sign new 2 year contract with Red Bull. After these 2 year Vettel contract with Ferrari will expire and Ricciardo probably will join Ferrari.
Alonso in Red Bull - not very likely to happen. I think that Red Bull will choose someone from Torro Rosso or another young driver.

[bbc.reporter]

@LTU_btc. But where would Lewis go if Mercedes were to lose him after this season? There is only once place to go, and that would only be to Ferrari, I reckon.

Also, a Lewis and Sebastian team up is not that impossible if you consider Ferrari's history of hiring 2 first class drivers at the same time.

[LTU_btc]

@LTU_btc. But where would Lewis go if Mercedes were to lose him after this season? There is only once place to go, and that would only be to Ferrari, I reckon.

Also, a Lewis and Sebastian team up is not that impossible if you consider Ferrari's history of hiring 2 first class drivers at the same time.

Vettel and Hamilton in Ferrari at the same time is impossible scenario in my opinion. And for Ferrari it's more common to have 1 first class driver like Schumacher, Alonso or Vettel and 2nd drivers such as Barrichello, Massa or Kimi are just helping to leader.
And few days ago I was reading interesting news where Mark Hughes said that Ricciardo already signed contract with Ferrari, not sure is it true or not.

[cengsuwuei]

Some gossip on the internet saying that Lewis will leave Mercedes for Ferrari in the end of this season, and then Ricciardo will also leave Redbull and go to Mercedes.

Source https://www.eurosport.com/formula-1/season-2018/2018/mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-admits-lewis-hamilton-could-join-ferrari_sto6709307/story.shtml

I am not sure how true but I would like to see Lewis and Sebastian in one team and settle who is better once and for all.

Also that makes one Redbull seat vacant for Fernando Alonso hehehe.

iam not believe if lewis hamilton join in ferari
and then team mate with sebastian vettel, so 2 ferari driver can dominate

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FP1 at Baku in 45 mins or so...  I can't be more excited for this race.  We have RBR getting close to their best, Ferrari who are at their best and we have Merc potentially reaching their best on Sunday. 

Can't wait for qualifying and see the starting grid!

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Force India was strong during FP1, with Perez and Ocon finishing third and fifth.  Merc and RBR were strong too as expected with Bottas at first and Ricciardo second.  The Ferraris were meh...

At FP2, RBR def showed strength with Ricciardo and Verstappen first and third, Raikonnen was second and the Mercsmat fourth and fifth.  Where's Vettel?  Lol.    ...  Down at 11th.  It was his fault, not the car's when asked by media.

FP3 is ongoing right now...

Anyway can't the time sheets.  I'm on mobile...  Too lazy to copy/paste.

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Guys?  Anybody around?  Lol.  I feel so alone here.  Ciccio used to come in this thread a lot, but I've noticed he hasn't been posting a lot since he lost his FJ sig campaign slot.  Lmao!  

It would've been nice if the people around here posted for fun and discussion too, not just profit.

Anyway...  So Vettel showed up in FP3 and qualifying and got pole.  

The race is starting now btw...  Weeeee!

Edit:  Lol Ocon.  He was doing really good the whole weekend...  Too bad. 

[mattcode]

How could Grosjean blame his crash on Magnussen? Was going so well for him before that too

edit Wow, I can't remember a race this exciting since... Baku last year lol