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[tokeweed]

Renault has officially unveiled the RS17.  What is it with F1 cars that make them look sooo good.  Except for that year with the high nose that made the cars look like a platypus. 

Anyway, nothing much was said about the car.  All team Renault said was they would try to close the gap this year after finishing 9th place in the constructor's standings.

[tokeweed]

Force India has launched its new car for 2017, the  VJM10.  Last year they were one of the teams who have spent a lot of money to develop a car and it has paid dividends.  They have passed clear Williams and have finished 4th in the Constructor's Championship in their last campaign.  They really have been dreaming big and a top three finish is what they're planning next.

[tokeweed]

Mercedes has finally unveiled the 2017 W08!  As you can see, it features a shark fin which they will be putting on trial on testing.  Asked if Mercedes has found a silver bullet under the new specs and regulations, Toto Wolff answered in a way that doesn't convey much confidence.  In his words 'I hope we have found the silver bullet'.  Hmmm, maybe the team is unsure with their chances in this season?  We'll soon find out in the first few races.

Edit:  Renault's engine failed after just 6 laps.

[tokeweed]

Ferrari unveils the 2017 SF70-H.

Nothing beats the Ferrari if the F1 was the beauty pageant for cars.  Too bad this beauty isn't going for looks alone, it has to be super fast as well.  I feel this team will be pressured to deliver this season or it's bye bye Vettel and off he goes to Mercedes.  Mr. Allison is already waiting for his arrival.  

[azguard]

Mclaren did end up with orange new MCL32



Also Williams did introduce there new car FW40



Toro rosso got new design in colors to



Red Bull got new wheels to with RB13

link to video http://www.redbullracing.com/video/rb13

[bbc.reporter]

@azguard. The orange McLaren looks good. I did not expect that. I am sad that the team which was 1 of the top teams last decade become progressively worse like this. I hope Honda has made good and provable improvements in their engine this season. Fernando Alonso still has a few years of winnability ahead of him. He needs a decent car to win races.

[azguard]

All team have announce there rides for this season and look like it will be good one.

Current engine and car names
Sauber   C36 (Ferrari)
Renault   R.S.17 (Renault)
Force India   VJM10 (Mercedes)
Mercedes   W08 EQ Power+ (Mercedes)
Ferrari   SF70H (Ferrari)
McLaren   MCL32 (Honda)
Williams   FW40 (Mercedes)
Red Bull   RB13 (TAG Heuer)
Haas   VF-17 (Ferrari)
Toro Rosso   STR12 (Renault)

Also from today pre season testing will start in Spain

* Barcelona, Spain   February 27 - March 2
* Barcelona, Spain   March 7 - 10

[Dux2K]

Toro roso and McLaren  look good. Must admit that orange look good. Hope this season will be good for McLaren and that more teams will be competitive.

[BitcoinSupremo]

I hope the Mclaren Engine this year is at least as good as the looks of the new car. If not then shame on Honda, for the first and second year they said it was because of a big absence in the F1 world that they couldn't do any good. If they fail for a third year in a row what will be their excuse?

[bbc.reporter]

@BitcoinSupremo. Their excuse will be they are out there against Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault. They have for all these years have done all the research and development. Honda is only back for 3 years after not having produced a Formula 1 engine. You talk as if you are so smart and know everything about the sport. Are you a Formula 1 engineer?

[ArdiPrabowo]

Toro roso and McLaren  look good. Must admit that orange look good. Hope this season will be good for McLaren and that more teams will be competitive.

toro roso is second team from redbull is same owner, but this now diference engine, toro roso still use renault and redbull replace use TAG Heuer
toro roso only midle clase team,
and mclaren use Honda engine still not competitive this season same in season 2016, is bad result and very dificult only get point, and mclaren still can't dream to podium or win in series, only big 10 and can point is happy all team

[LTU_btc]

Toro roso and McLaren  look good. Must admit that orange look good. Hope this season will be good for McLaren and that more teams will be competitive.

toro roso is second team from redbull is same owner, but this now diference engine, toro roso still use renault and redbull replace use TAG Heuer
toro roso only midle clase team,

You are not right. Toro Rosso started to use Renault engines for this season, earlier they used Ferrari engines. Red Bull are still using Renault engines, but it's only branded as Tag Heuer.

[cicciobtc]

Yesterday there was the second day of testing for the F1 in Barcelona.
Best time for Raikkonen ahead of Hamilton, the only two to get under 1:21:00. Today is going on the third day of testing, and there are those who fell below the time to 1:20:00.

Let's see if this year Ferrari will be more competitive than last year.

[bbc.reporter]

@cicciobtc. Yes I too hope this season will be different than the past 3 years. But based on your experience in watching Formula 1, does testing show what the potential outcome of the season? What did the testing of the last 3 seasons show? I will not be surprised if it showed the same results as the testing for this season.

[azguard]

So far in the testing it was good impressions from some teams Mercedes was fast as usual Ferrari seem to keep the past they even been fastest one day which is encouraging to see some improvement. Rb is third team and they will battle hard for this, most improvement made by my impression Renault and we will see how will this go. Now we will have few days of break to see how to fix cars and then final testing for upcoming season start.

[cicciobtc]

So far in the testing it was good impressions from some teams Mercedes was fast as usual Ferrari seem to keep the past they even been fastest one day which is encouraging to see some improvement. Rb is third team and they will battle hard for this, most improvement made by my impression Renault and we will see how will this go. Now we will have few days of break to see how to fix cars and then final testing for upcoming season start.

Yesterday excellent times for Bottas: 1'19'705, and Vettel: 1'19 "952 the only two riders to dip under 1'20'.00.
Yesterday Vettel did 139 laps (as having made Gp 2).
I think that this year Hamilton will win easily but I see positive signs from the Ferrari that will surely be more competitive in past years.

[tokeweed]

So far in the testing it was good impressions from some teams Mercedes was fast as usual Ferrari seem to keep the past they even been fastest one day which is encouraging to see some improvement. Rb is third team and they will battle hard for this, most improvement made by my impression Renault and we will see how will this go. Now we will have few days of break to see how to fix cars and then final testing for upcoming season start.

Yesterday excellent times for Bottas: 1'19'705, and Vettel: 1'19 "952 the only two riders to dip under 1'20'.00.
Yesterday Vettel did 139 laps (as having made Gp 2).
I think that this year Hamilton will win easily but I see positive signs from the Ferrari that will surely be more competitive in past years.

I'm not thoroughly convinced right now.  Let's see what they can do without James Allison around.  We'll soon find out the first few races before the summer races in European countries start.  Those first few races will be an indicator which teams have potential, which ones gained improvement and which ones have the same problems as last season.

Right now with all the test run applause, they're all hype to me.

[cicciobtc]

So far in the testing it was good impressions from some teams Mercedes was fast as usual Ferrari seem to keep the past they even been fastest one day which is encouraging to see some improvement. Rb is third team and they will battle hard for this, most improvement made by my impression Renault and we will see how will this go. Now we will have few days of break to see how to fix cars and then final testing for upcoming season start.

Yesterday excellent times for Bottas: 1'19'705, and Vettel: 1'19 "952 the only two riders to dip under 1'20'.00.
Yesterday Vettel did 139 laps (as having made Gp 2).
I think that this year Hamilton will win easily but I see positive signs from the Ferrari that will surely be more competitive in past years.

I'm not thoroughly convinced right now.  Let's see what they can do without James Allison around.  We'll soon find out the first few races before the summer races in European countries start.  Those first few races will be an indicator which teams have potential, which ones gained improvement and which ones have the same problems as last season.

Right now with all the test run applause, they're all hype to me.

Maybe it's bluffing, but Toto Wolff said he was surprised by Ferrari in Barcelona test.
He has seen a renewed ferrari and very fast.
Maybe it's just pre-tactics but if there will be more balanced this year, it will be better for the show and for the fans of F1.

[azguard]

So far in the testing it was good impressions from some teams Mercedes was fast as usual Ferrari seem to keep the past they even been fastest one day which is encouraging to see some improvement. Rb is third team and they will battle hard for this, most improvement made by my impression Renault and we will see how will this go. Now we will have few days of break to see how to fix cars and then final testing for upcoming season start.

Yesterday excellent times for Bottas: 1'19'705, and Vettel: 1'19 "952 the only two riders to dip under 1'20'.00.
Yesterday Vettel did 139 laps (as having made Gp 2).
I think that this year Hamilton will win easily but I see positive signs from the Ferrari that will surely be more competitive in past years.

I'm not thoroughly convinced right now.  Let's see what they can do without James Allison around.  We'll soon find out the first few races before the summer races in European countries start.  Those first few races will be an indicator which teams have potential, which ones gained improvement and which ones have the same problems as last season.

Right now with all the test run applause, they're all hype to me.

Maybe it's bluffing, but Toto Wolff said he was surprised by Ferrari in Barcelona test.
He has seen a renewed ferrari and very fast.
Maybe it's just pre-tactics but if there will be more balanced this year, it will be better for the show and for the fans of F1.

Still waiting to see second part of practice cuz after this one team will have data to analyse and set up card accordingly and we will see if this year Ferrari will do some competition to Mercedes or not. Still saying that Renault made big improvement rest are more less on same level, no big movement but still this dont have to be issue with this. Think that real picture will be on first race of the season when we will see all card shown.

[Dux2K]

So far in the testing it was good impressions from some teams Mercedes was fast as usual Ferrari seem to keep the past they even been fastest one day which is encouraging to see some improvement. Rb is third team and they will battle hard for this, most improvement made by my impression Renault and we will see how will this go. Now we will have few days of break to see how to fix cars and then final testing for upcoming season start.

Yesterday excellent times for Bottas: 1'19'705, and Vettel: 1'19 "952 the only two riders to dip under 1'20'.00.
Yesterday Vettel did 139 laps (as having made Gp 2).
I think that this year Hamilton will win easily but I see positive signs from the Ferrari that will surely be more competitive in past years.

I'm not thoroughly convinced right now.  Let's see what they can do without James Allison around.  We'll soon find out the first few races before the summer races in European countries start.  Those first few races will be an indicator which teams have potential, which ones gained improvement and which ones have the same problems as last season.

Right now with all the test run applause, they're all hype to me.

Maybe it's bluffing, but Toto Wolff said he was surprised by Ferrari in Barcelona test.
He has seen a renewed ferrari and very fast.
Maybe it's just pre-tactics but if there will be more balanced this year, it will be better for the show and for the fans of F1.

I still think that Mercedes is big favorite, there are improvements in other teams but they will have to do better but maybe not that much as last season. Expect most from Ferrari and RB and expect big battle for 4 place Renault Williams  and McLaren might battle for this.