Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM.....

[bbc.reporter]

@Dux2K. Of course they are. Mercedes still has the engine advantage over all the other teams. What is exciting for me is this might be a battle for 2nd between Redbull and Ferrari. Let us see what improvements both teams have made. The Formula 1 news sites are saying Ferrari has made a small improvement.

[azguard]

Yesterday testing was for Massa, he was fastest yesterday. Finally some drivers have opportunity to drive. Wehrlein finally got his first taste of new car as he made his test debut with Sauber, having missed last week’s session due to injury. To add this 3 drivers drove over 100 laps Massa, Vettel and Ocon in both session combine.

This is still nothing think that we will see true performance from all teams last test of testing in Barcelona, when we will see full strength from all. But from this years result and last one cars are much faster then last year. This should give us more excitement in upcoming season start.

[cicciobtc]

Here is the timing of the second day of testing in Barcelona:

1 Bottas       Mercedes    1m19.310
2 Massa        Williams     1m19.420
3 Raikkonen  Ferrari        1m20.406
4 Verstappen Red Bull     1m20.432
5 Stroll         Williams      1m20.579
6 Hamilton    Mercedes    1m20.702
7 Hulkenberg Renault      1m21.213
8 Perez Force India          1m21.297
9 Sainz Toro  Rosso         1m21.872
10 Grosjean   Haas          1m21.887
11 Wehrlein   Sauber       1m23.000
12 Alonso      McLaren      1m23.041
13 Ericsson    Sauber       1m23.384
14 Palmer      Renault      1m26.462

Good times for Bottas and Massa.

The tests were interrupted 3 times with red flag (stop for Raikonnen, Verstappen and Ericsson)

[cengsuwuei]

Here is the timing of the second day of testing in Barcelona:

1 Bottas       Mercedes    1m19.310
2 Massa        Williams     1m19.420
3 Raikkonen  Ferrari        1m20.406
4 Verstappen Red Bull     1m20.432
5 Stroll         Williams      1m20.579
6 Hamilton    Mercedes    1m20.702
7 Hulkenberg Renault      1m21.213
8 Perez Force India          1m21.297
9 Sainz Toro  Rosso         1m21.872
10 Grosjean   Haas          1m21.887
11 Wehrlein   Sauber       1m23.000
12 Alonso      McLaren      1m23.041
13 Ericsson    Sauber       1m23.384
14 Palmer      Renault      1m26.462

Good times for Bottas and Massa.

The tests were interrupted 3 times with red flag (stop for Raikonnen, Verstappen and Ericsson)

good result to vallteri bottas testing in barcelona, but i can't believable if lewis hamilton is slowly and only placed in rank 6
and fast time lose from vallteri bottas

[bbc.reporter]

@cengsuwuei. You should also consider what tires they were using. Many casual fans mistakenly assume that some driver is the fastest because the results said so.

Valtteri Bottas was using supersofts and Felipe Massa was using ultrasoft tires that is why they were slightly faster. Ferrari is still the most improved team based on the results in the tests. But Redbull has not shown its cards yet. 2 more days to go and then we will really see.

[cicciobtc]

Here is the timing of the third day of testing in Barcelona:

1 Vettel Ferrari         1.19.024s – ultra-soft
2 Hamilton Mercedes 1.19.352s – ultra-soft
3 Ocon Force India    1.20.161s – ultra-soft
4 Kvyat Toro Rosso    1.20.416s – super-soft
5 Magnussen Haas     1.20.504s – ultra-soft
6 Ricciardo Red Bull   1.20.824s – soft
7 Vandoorne McLaren 1.21.348s – ultra-soft
8 Bottas Mercedes      1.22.038s – soft
9 Wehrlein Sauber      1.22.347s – ultra-soft
10 Palmer Renault      1.22.418s – soft
11 Ericsson Sauber     1.23.330s – soft
12 Stroll Williams        1.24.863s – soft
13 Massa Williams       1.25.080s – soft


Great time for Vettel, who gave the impression of being able to do a much lower time to 1.19.00.

Hamilton said they see a very strong Ferrari, this year.
He said that probably right now the Ferrari could be even faster than his Mercedes.

[bbc.reporter]

Top 2 in the latest test is more telling. Both Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel are running on ultrasofts. This might be a good hint to be on Sebastian to be first in qualifying in the first few races of the season.

[tokeweed]

Yup.  Ferrari is looking good, in testing that is.  The only way to judge this correctly and to know for sure is at the start of the season.  Tests are somewhat a bit more relaxed compared to a race.  I have no doubts Ferrari has some of the best engineers, but so do Mercedes and so do Redbull.  Even Force India has good engineers too.  It's all hype to until we see it happen.  The silver arrows still has the edge imo.

And what about McClaren eh?  Why not go back to Mercedes as engine provider.  Honda isn't doing any good for them.

[azguard]

Yup.  Ferrari is looking good, in testing that is.  The only way to judge this correctly and to know for sure is at the start of the season.  Tests are somewhat a bit more relaxed compared to a race.  I have no doubts Ferrari has some of the best engineers, but so do Mercedes and so do Redbull.  Even Force India has good engineers too.  It's all hype to until we see it happen.  The silver arrows still has the edge imo.

And what about McClaren eh?  Why not go back to Mercedes as engine provider.  Honda isn't doing any good for them.

As far as now this should be last year in developing Honda engine and they should have by end of this season engine that will be competitive or they will be sacked. Mclaren haas good history in this sport and shame is that they are in back of this, ferrari and rb are improved but dont see mclaren doing it even by me from testing renault is far better then honda.

We have just little more time and then season is starting we will see how it will be.

[bbc.reporter]

I speculate that this will be Honda's last season in Formula 1 after failing to develop and build a good engine after 3 years working with McClaren. The. McClaren will follow where Williams has gone. The team will go down and stay there for a while.

[tokeweed]

I might eat my own words when I said that Ferrari's speed in the preseason tests are all hype.  The results are proof in themselves and I can't help but feel excited again for my favorite driver, Seb 'the finger' Vettel.  I hope we see him giving everyone the finger again.



Here's a short video update on the final day of the test drives.

Raikkonen Flies As Ferrari Lay Down Marker | F1 2017 Test 2, Day 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us4ZPpfLo1Q

[cicciobtc]

Here is the timing of the 4th day of testing in Barcelona:

1 Raikkonen  Ferrari        1.18.634s super-soft
2 Verstappen Red Bull     1.19.438s super-soft
3 Sainz         Toro Rosso  1.19.837s ultra-soft
4 Bottas        Mercedes    1.19.845s super-soft
5 Hamilton    Mercedes    1.19.850s ultra-soft
6 Hulkenberg Renault      1.19.885s ultra-soft
7 Perez Force India         1.20.116s ultra-soft
8 Palmer        Renault     1.20.205s ultra-soft
9 Stroll          Williams     1.20.335s soft
10 Alonso      McLaren     1.21.389s ultra-soft
11 Grosjean   Haas          1.21.389s ultra-soft
12 Ericsson    Sauber       1.21.670s super-soft
13 Wehrlein   Sauber       1.23.527s soft

amazing time to Raikonnen, especially considering that he used the supersoft instead of ultrasoft that are more efficient on the fast lap.
We'll see if this ferrari, it's just a bleff or finally be able to fight for the championship.

[Dux2K]

Here is the timing of the 4th day of testing in Barcelona:

1 Raikkonen  Ferrari        1.18.634s super-soft
2 Verstappen Red Bull     1.19.438s super-soft
3 Sainz         Toro Rosso  1.19.837s ultra-soft
4 Bottas        Mercedes    1.19.845s super-soft
5 Hamilton    Mercedes    1.19.850s ultra-soft
6 Hulkenberg Renault      1.19.885s ultra-soft
7 Perez Force India         1.20.116s ultra-soft
8 Palmer        Renault     1.20.205s ultra-soft
9 Stroll          Williams     1.20.335s soft
10 Alonso      McLaren     1.21.389s ultra-soft
11 Grosjean   Haas          1.21.389s ultra-soft
12 Ericsson    Sauber       1.21.670s super-soft
13 Wehrlein   Sauber       1.23.527s soft

amazing time to Raikonnen, especially considering that he used the supersoft instead of ultrasoft that are more efficient on the fast lap.
We'll see if this ferrari, it's just a bleff or finally be able to fight for the championship.

Nice Ferrari was good reb bull to, but think this is only fake cuz Mercedes is holding cards right now have this feeling.
Can't wait for it to start for real to see how thing are

[bbc.reporter]

@Dux2K. I agree. There are 2 more weeks to go before the practice sessions start for the Australian Grand Prix. From there we will see the final improvements made by the silver arrows before going to qualifying. If we get a Mercedes P1 and P2 then expect something like this to mostly happen for the rest of the year.

[cicciobtc]

Combined Standings Test Days 1-2 Losail Motogp:

1)VIÑALES, Maverick Movistar Yamaha   1’54”455
2)ROSSI, Valentino    Movistar Yamaha  1’54”732 0”277
3)DOVIZIOSO, Andrea Ducati                1’54”819 0”364
4)FOLGER, Jonas       Monster Yamaha   1’54”917 0”462
5)CRUTCHLOW, Cal     LCR Honda          1’55”032 0”577
6)ESPARGARO, Aleix   Aprilia Racing       1’55”121 0”666
7)MARQUEZ, Marc Repsol Honda             1’55”196 0”741
8)BAUTISTA, Alvaro Pull&Bear Aspar T    1’55”245 0”790
9)LORENZO, Jorge Ducati Team              1’55”344 0”889
10)REDDING, Scott Octo Pramac Racing  1’55”353 0”898
11)ZARCO, Johann Monster Yamaha        1’55”354 0”899
12)ABRAHAM, Karel Pull&Bear Aspar        1’55”420 0”965
13)IANNONE, Andrea SUZUKI ECSTAR     1’55”545 1”090
14)PETRUCCI, Danilo Octo Pramac Racing 1’55”680 1”225
15)PEDROSA, Dani Repsol Honda             1’55”692 1”237
16)BAZ, Loris Reale Avintia Racing           1’55”808 1”353
17)MILLER, Jack Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS   1’56”017 1”562
18)RINS, Alex SUZUKI ECSTAR                1’56”110 1”655
19)RABAT, Tito Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS     1’56”214 1”759
20)LOWES, Sam Aprilia Racing                  1’56”276 1”821
21)ESPARGARO, Pol Red Bull KTM              1’56”648 2”193
22)SMITH, Bradley Red Bull KTM                1’57”267 2”812
23)KALLIO, Mika Red Bull KTM                   1’57”688 3”233


Great start for 2 yamaha Vinales and Rossi.
There are 12 drivers in less than 1 second.

[azguard]

Combined Standings Test Days 1-2 Losail Motogp:

1)VIÑALES, Maverick Movistar Yamaha   1’54”455
2)ROSSI, Valentino    Movistar Yamaha  1’54”732 0”277
3)DOVIZIOSO, Andrea Ducati                1’54”819 0”364
4)FOLGER, Jonas       Monster Yamaha   1’54”917 0”462
5)CRUTCHLOW, Cal     LCR Honda          1’55”032 0”577
6)ESPARGARO, Aleix   Aprilia Racing       1’55”121 0”666
7)MARQUEZ, Marc Repsol Honda             1’55”196 0”741
8)BAUTISTA, Alvaro Pull&Bear Aspar T    1’55”245 0”790
9)LORENZO, Jorge Ducati Team              1’55”344 0”889
10)REDDING, Scott Octo Pramac Racing  1’55”353 0”898
11)ZARCO, Johann Monster Yamaha        1’55”354 0”899
12)ABRAHAM, Karel Pull&Bear Aspar        1’55”420 0”965
13)IANNONE, Andrea SUZUKI ECSTAR     1’55”545 1”090
14)PETRUCCI, Danilo Octo Pramac Racing 1’55”680 1”225
15)PEDROSA, Dani Repsol Honda             1’55”692 1”237
16)BAZ, Loris Reale Avintia Racing           1’55”808 1”353
17)MILLER, Jack Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS   1’56”017 1”562
18)RINS, Alex SUZUKI ECSTAR                1’56”110 1”655
19)RABAT, Tito Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS     1’56”214 1”759
20)LOWES, Sam Aprilia Racing                  1’56”276 1”821
21)ESPARGARO, Pol Red Bull KTM              1’56”648 2”193
22)SMITH, Bradley Red Bull KTM                1’57”267 2”812
23)KALLIO, Mika Red Bull KTM                   1’57”688 3”233


Great start for 2 yamaha Vinales and Rossi.
There are 12 drivers in less than 1 second.

Yea but dont mean that it will be like this when season start, remember it was the same last season then we saw how it end. Think that it will be good this season I personally expect that Ducati will try this season to return to glory days. But this season may be best one and last was great, every season bring something more interesting to the race world.

[thejaytiesto]

It sucks to still not see Alonso on the top5. Alonso is one of the most talented drivers of all time, but the teams after renault somehow always keep fucking around with the cars. It's unfortunate. I thought he was going to become the next Schumacher but if the car is not good you can't have the dominating best car + best pilot killer combo.


At least its good to see good ol Raikkonen still kicking ass.

[cicciobtc]

Combined Standings Test Days 1-2-3 Losail Motogp:

1)VIÑALES, Maverick Movistar Yamaha   1’54”330
2)DOVIZIOSO, Andrea Ducati                1’54”401  0”071
3)PEDROSA, Dani Repsol Honda             1’54”469  0”139
4)LORENZO, Jorge Ducati Team              1’54”519 0”189
5)BAUTISTA, Alvaro Pull&Bear Aspar T    1’54”714  0”384
6)ROSSI, Valentino    Movistar Yamaha    1’54”732 0”402
7)REDDING, Scott Octo Pramac Racing    1’54”750 0”420
8)FOLGER, Jonas       Monster Yamaha    1’54”807 0”477
9)CRUTCHLOW, Cal     LCR Honda           1’54”821 0”491
10)ZARCO, Johann Monster Yamaha        1’54”900 0”570
11)MARQUEZ, Marc Repsol Honda           1’54”990 0”660
12)ESPARGARO, Aleix   Aprilia Racing      1’55”121 0”791
13)IANNONE, Andrea SUZUKI ECSTAR     1’55”284 0”954
14)ABRAHAM, Karel Pull&Bear Aspar        1’55”333 1”003
15)RINS, Alex SUZUKI ECSTAR                1’55”362 1”032
16)MILLER, Jack Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS   1’55”455 1”125
17)BAZ, Loris Reale Avintia Racing           1’55”539 1”209
18)PETRUCCI, Danilo Octo Pramac Racing 1’55”556 1”226
19)LOWES, Sam Aprilia Racing                 1’56”167 1”837
20)RABAT, Tito Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS     1’56”214 1”884
21)SMITH, Bradley Red Bull KTM               1’56”351 2”021
22)ESPARGARO, Pol Red Bull KTM             1’56”471 2”141
23)KALLIO, Mika Red Bull KTM                  1’56”891 2”561

Great balance in these tests. the first 18 drivers are encased in 1.2 seconds.

[thejaytiesto]

Here is the timing of the 4th day of testing in Barcelona:

1 Raikkonen  Ferrari        1.18.634s super-soft
2 Verstappen Red Bull     1.19.438s super-soft
3 Sainz         Toro Rosso  1.19.837s ultra-soft
4 Bottas        Mercedes    1.19.845s super-soft
5 Hamilton    Mercedes    1.19.850s ultra-soft
6 Hulkenberg Renault      1.19.885s ultra-soft
7 Perez Force India         1.20.116s ultra-soft
8 Palmer        Renault     1.20.205s ultra-soft
9 Stroll          Williams     1.20.335s soft
10 Alonso      McLaren     1.21.389s ultra-soft
11 Grosjean   Haas          1.21.389s ultra-soft
12 Ericsson    Sauber       1.21.670s super-soft
13 Wehrlein   Sauber       1.23.527s soft

amazing time to Raikonnen, especially considering that he used the supersoft instead of ultrasoft that are more efficient on the fast lap.
We'll see if this ferrari, it's just a bleff or finally be able to fight for the championship.

Nice Ferrari was good reb bull to, but think this is only fake cuz Mercedes is holding cards right now have this feeling.
Can't wait for it to start for real to see how thing are

It's clear that Ferrari had some insane time with that 18.6, I think it's unrealistic and Raikkonen will not have that sort of time again, but hopefully Ferrari is back and fighting for the win because the last years for such a brand have been rather sad.

[azguard]

Combined Standings Test Days 1-2-3 Losail Motogp:

1)VIÑALES, Maverick Movistar Yamaha   1’54”330
2)DOVIZIOSO, Andrea Ducati                1’54”401  0”071
3)PEDROSA, Dani Repsol Honda             1’54”469  0”139
4)LORENZO, Jorge Ducati Team              1’54”519 0”189
5)BAUTISTA, Alvaro Pull&Bear Aspar T    1’54”714  0”384
6)ROSSI, Valentino    Movistar Yamaha    1’54”732 0”402
7)REDDING, Scott Octo Pramac Racing    1’54”750 0”420
8)FOLGER, Jonas       Monster Yamaha    1’54”807 0”477
9)CRUTCHLOW, Cal     LCR Honda           1’54”821 0”491
10)ZARCO, Johann Monster Yamaha        1’54”900 0”570
11)MARQUEZ, Marc Repsol Honda           1’54”990 0”660
12)ESPARGARO, Aleix   Aprilia Racing      1’55”121 0”791
13)IANNONE, Andrea SUZUKI ECSTAR     1’55”284 0”954
14)ABRAHAM, Karel Pull&Bear Aspar        1’55”333 1”003
15)RINS, Alex SUZUKI ECSTAR                1’55”362 1”032
16)MILLER, Jack Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS   1’55”455 1”125
17)BAZ, Loris Reale Avintia Racing           1’55”539 1”209
18)PETRUCCI, Danilo Octo Pramac Racing 1’55”556 1”226
19)LOWES, Sam Aprilia Racing                 1’56”167 1”837
20)RABAT, Tito Team EG 0,0 Marc VDS     1’56”214 1”884
21)SMITH, Bradley Red Bull KTM               1’56”351 2”021
22)ESPARGARO, Pol Red Bull KTM             1’56”471 2”141
23)KALLIO, Mika Red Bull KTM                  1’56”891 2”561

Great balance in these tests. the first 18 drivers are encased in 1.2 seconds.

This seem to be promising great driving from Vinales, will he be the one who will win the first race i cant wait to see how bet will be for first race of the season from this thing will be difficult to predict in any case. And Lorenzo seem that he tainted the beat Ducati good performance from him to.