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November 29, 2013, 10:53:12 PM
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It's actually a bad sign as far as I can see due to the fact that as mentioned before, there is ZERO evidence that ANY large payouts have been made in the past few weeks.  I don't know how our BTC have been maintained when we've invested, but if the site owner has done anything with the BTC in terms of trading, the recent rise in price would clearly put him in a position where he could no longer repay the large investments (some people having invested as many as 40 BTC).  Sure, these little .07 BTC bets are being paid, yet you have the same guys coming back day after day saying they're owed 10-40 BTC and not one word addressing it.

Bit365, you need to either tell us why the larger bets aren't getting paid, or pay them.  Stop stringing us along.  Most of us are reasonable people, you need to just own up to what is happening.  I'd settle for a payment plan at this point if BTC was mismanaged, stolen, etc.  But I'd rather know the truth than be held in limbo.  You are holding what now equates to hundreds of thousands of dollars of people's money.  You have zero right to take liberties like this in terms of withholding payment and if you're going to do it, we deserve a lot better in the way of communication.

Your record in terms of communication, transparency, and relationship with your customer base is absolutely atrocious.  This needs to change quickly.  At a minimum, ANYBODY who has communicated on this board that they're owed more than 1 BTC should be addressed directly through private message and told what is specifically going on and given a timeframe.
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November 29, 2013, 11:09:30 PM
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I agree.  A real update is needed.   And If payouts are really progressing, handling the ones on the scratch pad from 2 weeks is a start.   
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November 30, 2013, 01:14:23 AM
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In a vacuum like this (with no communication), we can only speculate what the problem(s) is/are.

I can only say that obviously there are plenty of people willing to help. We cannot, without his permission.

I've offered my services as a programmer numerous times. I can only do so once more. I would make a cash offer, but I just don't have it. (Naturally, I would honor investment debts.)

But all of this is me speaking into the wind, or writing in the sand, without 365's cooperation. 365, you have lots of friends here. Please just tell us what is going on over there.
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November 30, 2013, 02:01:45 AM
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12 days and counting...  Pay up bit365, you scammer!!!

I'd advise everyone who hasn't been paid to add their info to my scam accusation here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=349995.0
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November 30, 2013, 02:18:17 AM
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http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/23456?destination=bet-slip

This is still 10.5 btc, and 12 days late.

bitcoinsports.eu, where even when you win, you lose. Sad


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November 30, 2013, 03:04:44 AM
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Because quoting yourself, quoting yourself, quoting yourself ... with some bold typeface helps the situation. 

We get it.  We're all frustrated.  We're all in the same boat.  I'm sure your post is seriously putting the heat on Bit365 to make a move though.  Really.
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November 30, 2013, 03:44:02 AM
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Bit365 just reappeared and started paying out for ad signatures, would love it if he went back to paying bets. I'm still owed 0.42 BTC.
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November 30, 2013, 03:57:43 AM
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Because quoting yourself, quoting yourself, quoting yourself ... with some bold typeface helps the situation. 

We get it.  We're all frustrated.  We're all in the same boat.  I'm sure your post is seriously putting the heat on Bit365 to make a move though.  Really.

I'm doing it to raise awareness of the situation. What would you recommend that I do? Fade into the distance?


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November 30, 2013, 06:11:46 AM
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http://www.bitcoinsports.eu/bet/0da70

Had this small bet paid today (11 days), BTC.26 so if you're waiting on processing and you have a small amount outstanding this might give you a reference on how far thru the backlog they've got.

So, good luck to everyone involved here.  Roll Eyes
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November 30, 2013, 09:57:56 AM
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http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/10a51
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http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/42fb0
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November 30, 2013, 01:44:55 PM
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Well, it looks like we've made a full circle here and we're back to posting our bet slips in the hopes that they are paid

http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/6b647?destination=bet-slip
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November 30, 2013, 02:55:06 PM
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Hi Bit365,

I am still waiting for this bet to pay out: http://bitcoinsports.eu/bet/43ed1

Please update.

Thanks
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November 30, 2013, 04:30:45 PM
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Still waiting on around 7.6 btc from this bet made on 11/18... www.bitcoinsports.eu/bet/63398 .  Really hoping for some transparency as to what is going on.

Bit you have made a few statements now but I can't understand why these larger bets and investments are being put on the backburner while you continue to pay out newer and smaller bets.
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November 30, 2013, 04:33:36 PM
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I am happy to see 11 day old bets paid.   Has anyone received larger bets from 13 and 14 days out paid or Investments - even with profits forgone? This reeks of ponzi paying the smaller bets to keep more coming
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December 01, 2013, 02:23:42 AM
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No updates? Looks like a couple of small amounts have been paid out but nothing over 1 BTC
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December 01, 2013, 03:08:35 AM
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The site is up a fair amount on bets made today, hopefully this will help in processing payouts.
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December 01, 2013, 04:41:09 AM
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Because quoting yourself, quoting yourself, quoting yourself ... with some bold typeface helps the situation. 

We get it.  We're all frustrated.  We're all in the same boat.  I'm sure your post is seriously putting the heat on Bit365 to make a move though.  Really.
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Because quoting yourself, quoting yourself, quoting yourself ... with some bold typeface helps the situation.  

We get it.  We're all frustrated.  We're all in the same boat.  I'm sure your post is seriously putting the heat on Bit365 to make a move though.  Really.

You never did respond to my question. What would you do in my situation, being the largest outstanding bet unpaid ($12k to $13k, depending on the echange rate)? Just hope and pray and be quiet?

My intention is to help other people be aware that bitcoinsports.eu is not paying out. You would rather help him scam other folks by keeping quiet?

OR...what exactly is your suggestion? Hmmmmm?


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To take a break from the arguments between forum members waiting for bit365 to show up here again, I decided now might be an interesting time to review some of the facts in the case.  Using the data provided at the top of the Bitcoinsports web page under the “Invest” tab, I reconstructed the following plots.  First, there is the raw data of the cumulative results since August 20.  
http://photos.symmunity.net/bitcoinsports/Bitcoinsports_fraud_analysis_files/image002.jpghttp://photos.symmunity.net/bitcoinsports/Bitcoinsports_fraud_analysis_files/image004.jpghttp://photos.symmunity.net/bitcoinsports/Bitcoinsports_fraud_analysis_files/image006.jpg

A few features of these plots were particularly interesting to me.  
•   The initial amount invested was something close to 290 bitcoin.  The “company” was treated as having an initial value of that much.  Based on the price of bitcoin at that time, that would seem to be an entirely reasonable valuation.  I might even be a bit concerned that it was too cheap.  However, this built-in equity for bit makes the 15% commission seem more reasonable.  
•   The volume of bets being processed through the site accelerated dramatically in September, after the site began taking investements.  However, that pace began slowing by late October, before investors began pulling out en masse.
•   Some time around November 10, investments rapidly reversed.  Unfortunately, due to the sparseness of the data I have around that time, I can’t be sure that it wasn’t several days earlier or slightly later.  That maximum is the “Ponzi point” at which one would expect the meltdown to begin if invested funds were disappearing.  
•   The site’s profit followed the amount bet remarkably closely.  One interesting exception, barely visible on this scale, occurred in the last 24 hours.

To make these salient features easier to see, I replotted the data.  

http://photos.symmunity.net/bitcoinsports/Bitcoinsports_fraud_analysis_files/image008.jpg
Note that the scale for the amount wagered (dashed blue line) is 15x larger than the scale for the other two data series.  Plotted this way, it is apparent that the average profit has remained remarkably close to 1/15, i.e. roughly 6.5%.  
This plot also shows that the amount withdrawn by investors over the past 3 weeks is already nearly equal to the total profits the site.  If investors’ bitcoins had been lost somewhere, e.g. by converting them into hard currency just before the recent rally, then it would take months of the site operating at its peak to repay them.  


http://photos.symmunity.net/bitcoinsports/Bitcoinsports_fraud_analysis_files/image010.jpg
Since investments stopped paying out in mid-November, new wagers (shown in violet) have plummeted.  This obviously makes repaying investors with profits hopeless unless confidence can be restored.

http://photos.symmunity.net/bitcoinsports/Bitcoinsports_fraud_analysis_files/image012.jpg
This plot shows the performance of Bitcoinsports since the confidence crisis began.  The scale on the (right) profit axis is again 15x smaller than the scale on the (left) wager axis.  As you would expect, profits plummeted when people stopped placing wagers.  At the current average of about 20 BTC of wagers per week, the 6.5% profit rate reported throughout the past two months would imply a weekly profit of 1.3 bitcoin for the site.  With such a small profit, it doesn’t seem likely that it would be worth the site operator’s time.  
Then something interesting happened.  Although the total volume of wagers remained very low, profits shot rapidly upward.  Suddenly, the site has become extraordinarily lucky.  As I’m writing this, the average win rate on bets under 0.25 bitcoin over the past 24 hours is around the usual 5%.  However, all 5 bets of 0.5 BTC or more were losers for the gambler and thus winners for bitcoinsports.  This seems remarkably convenient, but there were only four of these larger bets; mathematically, I can't rule out the possibility that it really is just a coincidence.
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