[IOTA] IOTA Speculation

[Come-from-Beyond]

No, that depends. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding

Also: How is leaving your purse on the streets and actively sending money to a complete stranger the same thing?

Hehe, you defend CH so furiously like he is your younger brother. Tell him his account is frozen and he should come here to sort out the issue before the 10th of July.

[achimsmile]

Also: How is leaving your purse on the streets and actively sending money to a complete stranger the same thing?

agreed, it was not the best analogy.
It just goes against my sense of justice that it's not scamming when I want to buy something (from a stranger or not) and he keeps my money and runs away.
I'll drop out of the discussion.

[LitcoinCollector]

No, that depends. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding

Also: How is leaving your purse on the streets and actively sending money to a complete stranger the same thing?

Hehe, you defend CH so furiously like he is your younger brother. Tell him his account is frozen and he should come here to sort out the issue before the 10th of July.

If you can't win an argument don't be a sour loser and make in personal.
You just can't be sure 100% that the account is still in his possession, unless you are the owner of the account.

[Come-from-Beyond]

If you can't win an argument don't be a sour loser and make in personal.
You just can't be sure 100% that the account is still in his possession, unless you are the owner of the account.

CH said he will keep some iotas for himself. CH told me his account.
So, why I can't be sure? <Willy Wonka meme>

[LitcoinCollector]

Also: How is leaving your purse on the streets and actively sending money to a complete stranger the same thing?

agreed, it was not the best analogy.
It just goes against my sense of justice that it's not scamming when I want to buy something (from a stranger or not) and he keeps my money and runs away.
I'll drop out of the discussion.

Please try to answer the question:
How is leaving your purse on the streets and actively sending money to a complete stranger the same thing?

Your personal opinion/ sense of justice doesn't matter when it come to the Law. Please read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding.

[LitcoinCollector]

If you can't win an argument don't be a sour loser and make in personal.
You just can't be sure 100% that the account is still in his possession, unless you are the owner of the account.

CH said he will keep some iotas for himself. CH told me his account.
So, why I can't be sure? <Willy Wonka meme>

I see you are strengthening your arguments by using memes...

I hate repeating myself but here goes:
You can't be sure 100% that the account is still in his possession, unless you are the owner of the account.

[Come-from-Beyond]

I see you are strengthening your arguments by using memes...

I hate repeating myself but here goes:
You can't be sure 100% that the account is still in his possession, unless you are the owner of the account.

I use meme when I suspect that someone is trolling. Here is why I'm 100% sure that account is still in his posession:

1. He told me it's his account
2. He has several obligations pending, hence he couldn't sell the seed to that account

Any flaw in this logic?

[mladen00]

If you can't win an argument don't be a sour loser and make in personal.
You just can't be sure 100% that the account is still in his possession, unless you are the owner of the account.

CH said he will keep some iotas for himself. CH told me his account.
So, why I can't be sure? <Willy Wonka meme>

I see you are strengthening your arguments by using memes...

I hate repeating myself but here goes:
You can't be sure 100% that the account is still in his possession, unless you are the owner of the account.

why are you so active about this?
you made your point.
do you know CH?

[quasimodo]

This discussion is boring and pointless. The decision has been made. 

[achimsmile]

Also: How is leaving your purse on the streets and actively sending money to a complete stranger the same thing?

agreed, it was not the best analogy.
It just goes against my sense of justice that it's not scamming when I want to buy something (from a stranger or not) and he keeps my money and runs away.
I'll drop out of the discussion.

Please try to answer the question:
How is leaving your purse on the streets and actively sending money to a complete stranger the same thing?

Your personal opinion/ sense of justice doesn't matter when it come to the Law. Please read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding.

Jeez, it's not the same thing, that's why it's an analogy. And thank you for the article, it tells me that theft by finding is a crime in some jurisdictions if the subject did not take reasonable steps to locate the owner.

And in the jurisdiction of my country, it's a crime if a seller does not honor his part of a purchasing contract.

I think you made your point clear, you think that someone who stole money is not a scammer, thank you.

[farl4web]

Do more people have a balance of 0 zero... 

[LitcoinCollector]

I see you are strengthening your arguments by using memes...

I hate repeating myself but here goes:
You can't be sure 100% that the account is still in his possession, unless you are the owner of the account.

I use meme when I suspect that someone is trolling. Here is why I'm 100% sure that account is still in his posession:

1. He told me it's his account
2. He has several obligations pending, hence he couldn't sell the seed to that account

Any flaw in this logic?

Please, I am disappointed in the 'suspect trolling' argument.

Ofcourse he can sell the account + seed, why not, this deal could be made without your knowledge.

But since I am the only one that is concerned about this, I will leave it at that.

[gernat]

Do more people have a balance of 0 zero...  

farl4web, 23c is a 'special' version, actually only for claim. Many have 0 as balance. It's important you have your iotas in the HISTORY tab.

[youyou_]

Do more people have a balance of 0 zero... 

yes, but I think (maybe CfB could confirm here) it's because you claimed with 0.9.23beta GUI.

[LitcoinCollector]

Also: How is leaving your purse on the streets and actively sending money to a complete stranger the same thing?

agreed, it was not the best analogy.
It just goes against my sense of justice that it's not scamming when I want to buy something (from a stranger or not) and he keeps my money and runs away.
I'll drop out of the discussion.

Please try to answer the question:
How is leaving your purse on the streets and actively sending money to a complete stranger the same thing?

Your personal opinion/ sense of justice doesn't matter when it come to the Law. Please read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding.

Jeez, it's not the same thing, that's why it's an analogy. And thank you for the article, it tells me that theft by finding is a crime in some jurisdictions if the subject did not take reasonable steps to locate the owner.

And in the jurisdiction of my country, it's a crime if a seller does not honor his part of a purchasing contract.

I think you made your point clear, you think that someone who stole money is not a scammer, thank you.

As I said, I expressed my concerns but I seem to be the only one here.

And No I don't think someone who steals is not a scammer/thieve.

But let's focus on the Iota launch, and agree to disagree.

[farl4web]

Do more people have a balance of 0 zero...  

farl4web, 23c is a 'special' version, actually only for claim. Many have 0 as balance. It's important you have your iotas in the HISTORY tab.

Ok, thanks. That seems to be right.

[Felixtwist]

@iotatoken has made a final decision, awesome everyone should appreciate there a lot of tasks to be done so lets move on. I agree @litcoin collector seems to be the only one still defending CH but i am done with hearing this name, there is a matter of days until launch and I am looking forward to see what awesome work has been done by the iota team ..

[Admiral_Bit]

I´d be willing to buy 150,000,000,000 IOTAS for 1 BTC

please send me your offers. Escrow is mandatory...

[gaba]

I´d be willing to buy 150,000,000,000 IOTAS for 1 BTC

please send me your offers. Escrow is mandatory...

At that price only without escrow.

I'm kidding

[LitcoinCollector]

@iotatoken has made a final decision, awesome everyone should appreciate there a lot of tasks to be done so lets move on. I agree @litcoin collector seems to be the only one still defending CH but i am done with hearing this name, there is a matter of days until launch and I am looking forward to see what awesome work has been done by the iota team ..

Since you are posting my name, I ofcourse am obliged to react.

I am not defending anyone.
I am only interested in the facts: yes CH is gone and took a lot of btc.

It is not about CH taking the btc, it's about the solution.
I think Davids solution is certainly a way to correct this. But I don't agree.
Why: because it is impossible for a third party to be 100% sure it is CH's account.

Again I am the only one with this concern so let's leave it at this and focus on Iota Launch.