EmilioMann, John Connor, & VanillaCoin/VCash are lying about Monero exploits

[fluffypony]

My post was deleted from this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473091.0 and is included below for reference.

Just an addendum:
Exploit 13 (v2 block) was found and reported by John Connor to monero devs months ago.
Even after the devs and trolls from monero community try to destroy Vcash with fud and lies, John Connor informed the exploit because he thought that would be able to make the worms stop with their slanders.
Well, he saved monero once the problem was solved, but after this the trolls and fudders unscrupulous and without ethics back to attack him again
Now, after a new thread was created by smooth to slander JC and Vcash, he found other 12 zeroday exploits.
Do you really think he will help monero community again?

Uh...no...that is a blatant lie.

John Connor has never reported a single exploit to myself, or to any of the other Monero Core team members. Not one. Not two. Not five. Not ten. Definitely not thirteen.

Do you want to try again?

It is disgusting and appalling that people resort to outright lies, and then double down on those lies by deleting objections. Shame on you, EmilioMann, and shame on those you surround yourself with. VCash has become an embarrassment to the cryptocurrency community.

[smooth]

I also had similar on-topic posts (often disputing or refuting their false statements) deleted on the self-moderated threads (if I have time I will dig out the deletion messages from my PMs and post here). Be careful reading or posting on any self-moderated threads run by Vcash/Vanillacoin scammers, as they selectively delete posts to leave a very misleading impression of the discussion.

Remember this is the coin being run by someone who ripped off Bitcoin's code, violated the MIT license (hard to do) and fraudulently sells it as written from scratch. Nothing they do or say can be taken at face value, it is a scam from the core.

Refs:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=920344.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1151160.msg12128046#msg12128046

[Gleb Gamow]

EmilioMann is a key supporter of Decred, and one of the few Facebook pages I follow since it's Decred related. At first, I was ever so slightly critical of Decred which has been curbed, I personally do not hold any DCR. Hope this info adds to the convo and how EM is good or bad for the community. I have no other opinions at this penning.

[smooth]

Personally I haven't seen anything wrong with Decred (though I haven't really looked). I wouldn't want to apply guilt by association without more evidence. The case against Vanillacoin/Vcash and many of its supporters when acting in that capacity is quite clear though.

[CryR]

Wow so sad warfare between cryptos. 

[EmilioMann]

[iCEBREAKER]

EmilioMann is a key supporter of Decred, and one of the few Facebook pages I follow since it's Decred related. At first, I was ever so slightly critical of Decred which has been curbed, I personally do not hold any DCR. Hope this info adds to the convo and how EM is good or bad for the community. I have no other opinions at this penning.

Decred is a legit project, with no control over what AssClown Emilio does.  It featured the best, most fair launch since Monero's.

VTrash, on the other hand, somehow managed to violate the notoriously permissive MIT license when John Conman stole and obfuscated Bitcoin code.

[Gleb Gamow]

EmilioMann is a key supporter of Decred, and one of the few Facebook pages I follow since it's Decred related. At first, I was ever so slightly critical of Decred which has been curbed, I personally do not hold any DCR. Hope this info adds to the convo and how EM is good or bad for the community. I have no other opinions at this penning.

Decred is a legit project, with no control over what AssClown Emilio does.  It featured the best, most fair launch since Monero's.

VTrash, on the other hand, somehow managed to violate the notoriously permissive MIT license when John Conman stole and obfuscated Bitcoin code.

Hence I being mindful of what I pen on the subject. EM is one of ONLY three people I've liked on FB, not having a clue at this penning as to how to unlike someone, with being pretty sure it's a straightforward process.

[EmilioMann]

My post was deleted from this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473091.0 and is included below for reference.

Just an addendum:
Exploit 13 (v2 block) was found and reported by John Connor to monero devs months ago.
Even after the devs and trolls from monero community try to destroy Vcash with fud and lies, John Connor informed the exploit because he thought that would be able to make the worms stop with their slanders.
Well, he saved monero once the problem was solved, but after this the trolls and fudders unscrupulous and without ethics back to attack him again
Now, after a new thread was created by smooth to slander JC and Vcash, he found other 12 zeroday exploits.
Do you really think he will help monero community again?

Uh...no...that is a blatant lie.

John Connor has never reported a single exploit to myself, or to any of the other Monero Core team members. Not one. Not two. Not five. Not ten. Definitely not thirteen.

Do you want to try again?

It is disgusting and appalling that people resort to outright lies, and then double down on those lies by deleting objections. Shame on you, EmilioMann, and shame on those you surround yourself with. VCash has become an embarrassment to the cryptocurrency community.

John Connor reported on twitter

[EmilioMann]

But now, as the monero community and its devs never stopped with fud against Vcash, he agrees to sell the 12 exploits found in xmr.
The money can be released by an escrow after receiving the monero's 12 zeroday exploits.

[smooth]

John Connor reported on twitter

That report was after the attack was already made public. It is meaningless. Anyone can pile on and claim some knowledge or involvement after the fact, which is exactly with he did.

I challenged him to back up his claim of twitter timestamps proving his story by linking to a tweet with a timestamp before it was already made public and after ample opportunity he has not done so. He is therefore lying and so are you.

[iCEBREAKER]

I would not be here if they didn't a fud and troll campaign against Vtrash and a lot of other coins that can be a threat to monero

Stealing and obfuscating Bitcoin code was John Conman's decision.  No Vast Monero Conspiracy forced him to do that.

And it wasn't Monero Mustangs who busted him for license breaking.  It was a BTC core dev, Greg Maxwell and some other dude.

No other coin is a "threat" to Monero.  ZeroCash might be in a few years, but shitcoins like Dash and Vtrash certainly are not.

[EmilioMann]

blah blah blah

It was a BTC core dev, Greg Maxwell...
blah blah blah

About Greg the sociopath Maxwell:

[iCEBREAKER]

*Distraction Intensifies*

Stealing and obfuscating Bitcoin code was John Conman's decision.  No Vast Monero Conspiracy forced him to do that.

Agree or disagree?

[EmilioMann]

*Distraction Intensifies*

blah blah blah

And who are you to call someone a thief or say that someone stole something?
Everyone knows that you are a real thief, Eduardo, the owner of that mexican cloudmining ponzi company called hashocean or something.
You stole all your retarded clients who trusted you.

[iCEBREAKER]

Stealing and obfuscating Bitcoin code was John Conman's decision.  No Vast Monero Conspiracy forced him to do that.

Agree or disagree?

And who are you to call someone a thief or say that someone stole something?
Everyone knows that you are a real thief, Eduardo, the owner of that mexican cloudmining ponzi company called hashocean or something.
You stole all your retarded clients who trusted you.

Nice job using an appeal to hypocrisy to distract from Vtrash's issues with code theft.

I didn't discover the obfuscated stolen code in Vtrash.  That was Greg Maxwell and some other dude.

Hashocean's bankruptcy wasn't my fault.  The Vast Monero Conspiracy caused it.   

[jimlite]

Icebreaker and Smooth, you guys really need to get over this John stole bitcoin code nonsense. I suppose you think Elon Musk stole Henry Fords formula when he decided to put tires on his Tesla car. John has already stated that there are some lines of code similiar to peercoin for compatibility and not re-inventing the wheel. Vcash is written from scratch and has almost no resemblance to bitcoin and a little resemblance to peercoin's most basic features. John also said he would credit Sonny King if Sonny wants him to. Hell he probably would even credit Satoshi Nakamoto for shits and giggles IF Satoshi asked him to. But so far he says Nick Szabo nor Sonny King has asked

[smooth]

Icebreaker and Smooth, you guys really need to get over this John stole bitcoin code nonsense

It's not nonsense. Get your head out of your bag and pay attention.

To my well-trained eye it is quite clear that the code was copied, refactored, and obfuscated, and not written from scratch. When you write code from scratch, even to perform the same or similar functions, you do not carry over low-level bugs as was the case here, nor do you carry over specific low-level structural similarities that are not required by the implemented functionality. In your example it would be as if Tesla suffered from a design flaw related to the voltage of the ignition system in the Model T engine (as could happen if someone actually copied the design). That's not the case, but with Bitcoin->Vcash it is exactly the case.

And if you think it isn't, take it up with the other people (some directly involved with no coin at all afaik) who identified the copied code. I just quoted them, but it is obvious to me they are correct, as it would be obvious to any qualified expert.

John also said he would credit Sonny King if Sonny wants him to. Hell he probably would even credit Satoshi Nakamoto for shits and giggles IF Satoshi asked him to. But so far he says Nick Szabo nor Sonny King has asked

Some of the identified copied code does not originate with any of those authors.

The main issue is not who wrote the code, it is Vcash's false and misleading claim of being written from scratch, and aside from clear legal and reputational risks that result from these actions, there is proven scamming since there are actual victims who have stated that they were misled by it in buying into the coin.

[EmilioMann]

again: "Written from scratch" doesn't mean inventing the wheel and everybody knows it.
The scammers and fudders here are you, icebreaker and others from monero's community.

It is obvious that a crypto currency that is said based on bitcoin and peercoin protocol, will have some similar lines.
In a code with thousands of lines was found just few "similar" lines. This isn't steal, as you accuse and anyone with a minimum of discernment knows that.

What monero is?
A coin released two days after bytecoin and that copied and pasted the code of this other currency?

Who are you to accuse someone of theft, fud or anything else?

If you had a minimum of intelligence would be concerned about MONERO'S BLOCKCHAIN BLOAT and also trying to get money to buy the 12 ZERODAY EXPLOITS of your currency.

Worry about your walking dead coin and with your money instead of worrying about the currency of others.

[smooth]

again: "Written from scratch" doesn't mean inventing the wheel and everybody knows it.

No, but it means when you write something from scratch you don't end up with the same low level bugs and code organization line-by-line. You only end up with that when you copy the code.

The algorithm is the same line by line and even the esoteric identifier name "IsTerrible"/"is_terrible" is used in both.

Get it?

It is obvious that a crypto currency that is said based on bitcoin and peercoin protocol, will have some similar lines.
In a code with thousands of lines was found just few "similar" lines.

Wrong.

There are many places where Vanillacoin copied Bitcoin code. I have pointed out a good example previously, it won't be hard to find dozens more.

There's nothing wrong with copying and modifying the Bitcoin code, the MIT license allows you to do with it what you like, it just ask you not to be a scumbag and remove attribution and pretend you wrote the code in the first instance.