BetSoft Non-Payment of Jackpot

[Lutpin]

Everything we all hate about fiat money casinos in a bitcoin one.
All around scammy behavior, how many accounts do they have on this forum?

Well, let's count. There's those of course:
BetcoinSports
Betcoin.AG

Then there's aswell:
BetcoinPoker
Betcoin Sports
BetcoinPartners

Maybe those are theirs, maybe not:
BetcoinCasino
Betcoin Gaming

And that's just the ones being named BetcoinXYZ.

Looks like Betcoin.ag finally changed the "Last updated" on their ToS.

And it only needed a negative feedback for them to do that.
You'd think countless posts by Twitchy pointing it out would be sufficient. Turns out, they aren't.

[TwitchySeal]

Everything we all hate about fiat money casinos in a bitcoin one.
All around scammy behavior, how many accounts do they have on this forum?

Well, let's count. There's those of course:
BetcoinSports
Betcoin.AG

Then there's aswell:
BetcoinPoker
Betcoin Sports
BetcoinPartners

Maybe those are theirs, maybe not:
BetcoinCasino
Betcoin Gaming

And that's just the ones being named BetcoinXYZ.

Looks like Betcoin.ag finally changed the "Last updated" on their ToS.

And it only needed a negative feedback for them to do that.
You'd think countless posts by Twitchy pointing it out would be sufficient. Turns out, they aren't.

Don't forget these: (I ran them out of town a few months ago)
ftwbtc1
noobtc


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261.0  <---scroll about half way down op to "Betcoin Shill Section" to connect ftwbtc1 to noobtc
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1365849.0 <---- ftwbtc1 = Betcoin Jessica

If anyone ever wonders what happens when a shill is reported to the manager of the sig campaign sponsered by the actual shill:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg13963263#msg13963263
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg13964901#msg13964901

[TwitchySeal]

https://www.casinolistings.com/news/2016/07/betcoin-ag-betsoft-force-shafted-jackpot-winner-into-agreement

Owner of Casinolistings commented:

I feel sorry for Jason. He's been placed in the position where he either gets whatever small amount they paid him off with or nothing. The casino is unregulated and unaccountable and Betsoft's games are crooked, so what is he going to do?

The casino's statement above almost makes me vomit in my mouth. I've added Betcoin.ag to our blacklist today. They will remain there until such time as Jason is paid his full million mBTC win (i.e. most likely forever).

Also, as far as Bovada goes, they just released another statement (well email) explaining how they would deal with the missing progressive jackpot funds:

As promised, we have news for you regarding our recent changes to our casino game lineup and the resulting impact to our progressive jackpot offering. We know how popular some of these progressive jackpot games are for our players and so to help make up for those games, over the coming weeks we'll be adding extra amounts in total of $1.25M to a number of our own jackpot games.    
    Today, the three games below will have these amounts added to their current progressive jackpots:   
    For desktop players:
•   Food Fight: $185,000
•   Super Diamond Mine: $125,000   
    For mobile and download:
•   Jackpot Piñatas: $187,500
On Monday July 11, we will begin to distribute another $750,000 across select games by increasing the starting jackpot amounts from $1000 to $5000 per jackpot, and matching jackpot contributions by an additional 1% per wager. This will continue until the $750,000 figure has been met.   
    The games offering these elevated jackpots are:
•   Bulletproof Babes
•   Sevens and Stripes
•   Caesar's Empire
•   Aztec's Treasure
•   Cleopatra's Gold
•   Dirty Martini   
    We thank you for your continued support, please stay tuned for exciting new game releases in the coming months as we continue our search to provide you with games of the highest possible quality and entertainment.    
    Sincerely,


Bovada Customer Service
service@bovada.lv
1-888-263-0000   

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In case anyone is curious, Betcoin is currently advertising a total of BTC4,215.7 worth of progressives. (Almost $2.8million usd)

However, when you go into the games and add up each individual denomination jackpot, you get BTC2,978.5  (Just under $2million usd)









Other relevant stuff:

Betcoin confirmed they were paying out as of Jan 2014 when player noticed "progressive: no".:

Ok I'm trying this out.  I'm waiting on deposit to confirm.

I notice when I click progressives on the top of screen I'm taken to some slot options.  Then if I hover over the slots it says "progressive: no".  are they progressive payout or not?

edit:  my deposit has a confirmation but it still shows that I have the balance but it's not available

What is your username?  You can pm us if you wish.  Deposits are instant with zero confirmations.  

The progressives are definitely paying out.  We are looking into this right now.  

Since then I believe exactly one progressive has been hit.  It's been 2 years since.

Congratulations to www.BetcoinCasino.com's btc2014 who scored a 3,800 mbtc progressive jackpot at 3D Slot Greedy Goblins.  The progressives have now reached 443,268.85 mbtc at www.BetcoinCasino.com.  Come win some bitcoin today.



http://www.betcoincasino.com/games/progressive

[cjmoles]

I am pleased to say that this matter has been resolved to my satisfaction by all parties involved. Responsibility has been taken by Betcoin.ag for lack of clarification from their customer support, Betsoft has acknowledged that the wording on the pay table may have been cause for misunderstanding with respect to jackpot eligibility. Both parties have been very helpful and cooperative in resolving this and made the necessary adjustments.

Nice!  Does that mean Betsoft is off the hook?....or, did you sign a ND in those regards?  Anyhow, congratulations on getting something....we can't let the bad guys ruin it for everyone!  Great campaign to expose them.  I hope it was a fair settlement!

[TwitchySeal]

I am pleased to say that this matter has been resolved to my satisfaction by all parties involved. Responsibility has been taken by Betcoin.ag for lack of clarification from their customer support, Betsoft has acknowledged that the wording on the pay table may have been cause for misunderstanding with respect to jackpot eligibility. Both parties have been very helpful and cooperative in resolving this and made the necessary adjustments.

Nice!  Does that mean Betsoft is off the hook?....or, did you sign a ND in those regards?  Anyhow, congratulations on getting something....we can't let the bad guys ruin it for everyone!  Great campaign to expose them.  I hope it was a fair settlement!

Are you really that retarded cjmoles?

[Lutpin]

I am pleased to say that this matter has been resolved to my satisfaction by all parties involved. Responsibility has been taken by Betcoin.ag for lack of clarification from their customer support, Betsoft has acknowledged that the wording on the pay table may have been cause for misunderstanding with respect to jackpot eligibility. Both parties have been very helpful and cooperative in resolving this and made the necessary adjustments.

Nice!  Does that mean Betsoft is off the hook?....or, did you sign a ND in those regards?  Anyhow, congratulations on getting something....we can't let the bad guys ruin it for everyone!  Great campaign to expose them.  I hope it was a fair settlement!

Are you really that retarded cjmoles?

Probably needs to put their conscience at rest, as they still are advertising betcoin.ag...
"The bad guys" are including the company you are featuring in both, your signature and your avatar,
or how can you explain yourself that they didn't yet drop all BetSoft software/games from their site?

[Lutpin]

I think jasonrt said that he had reached a settlement.

A "settlement" means less than what he was obligated to receive.

I just hope that jasonrt got a fair settlement

Do you think anything less than the full amount of what was advertised to him would be "fair"?
How would you judge this situation, if you were robbed of your winning, which have been achieved fairly according to the back then running rules?

however, he seems to be satisfied with the result.

He's gotten something, probably that's better than getting nothing at all. Doesn't change the situation though, he had to settle for less than what he should get.

As for the Betcoin's signature and Avatar. It's no secret that I support Betcoin.ag. I have been playing with them a long time and they've always been more than fair with me.

Yet there are so many problems every now and then surfacing with them, this thread only being one of them.

As far as dropping the Betsoft software: I don't know the details of the settlement discussions but I trust Betcoin.ag's judgement. 

ALL reputable competitors have dropped BetSoft games immediately after hearing about this and similar issues with the provider.
Regardless of the settlement, can you really stand behind the decision of betcoin not to do the same?

[Fortify]

Since then I believe exactly one progressive has been hit.  It's been 2 years since.

Congratulations to www.BetcoinCasino.com's btc2014 who scored a 3,800 mbtc progressive jackpot at 3D Slot Greedy Goblins.  The progressives have now reached 443,268.85 mbtc at www.BetcoinCasino.com.  Come win some bitcoin today.



http://www.betcoincasino.com/games/progressive

Are you saying that a user called "btc2014" won the only jackpot paid out in the last 2 years or am I reading that totally wrong? Now if I did read it right, it seems like a stunningly generic and hastily made up fake account that "won the jackpot". Out of all the usernames in the world, the winner of a jackpot bitcoin payout in 2014 was called "btc2014" and not one of the million random usernames people use like "billybob1983". As this whole thread proves, it's highly questionable that they ever intended to make a jackpot winnable or release it

[Lutpin]

Just got an Email from Bovada and they are disabling all their Betsoft games until they can figure out what to do about the problems with the Betsoft software.  They're acknowledging there's a problem and they are investigating the situation.

Hey betcoin fan, where did your post go?!

[RichGang]

I am pleased to say that this matter has been resolved to my satisfaction by all parties involved. Responsibility has been taken by Betcoin.ag for lack of clarification from their customer support, Betsoft has acknowledged that the wording on the pay table may have been cause for misunderstanding with respect to jackpot eligibility. Both parties have been very helpful and cooperative in resolving this and made the necessary adjustments.

Am I the only one tjat thinks this jason dude is begining to sound annoying?
He now writes as if betcoin tells him what to say or betcoin is actu allly posting on his behalf.
DUDE TELL US HOW IT WAS RESOLVED, TELL US HOW MUCH YOU WHERE PAID OR JUST CLOSE THE fucCKN THREAD

[TwitchySeal]

I am pleased to say that this matter has been resolved to my satisfaction by all parties involved. Responsibility has been taken by Betcoin.ag for lack of clarification from their customer support, Betsoft has acknowledged that the wording on the pay table may have been cause for misunderstanding with respect to jackpot eligibility. Both parties have been very helpful and cooperative in resolving this and made the necessary adjustments.

Am I the only one tjat thinks this jason dude is begining to sound annoying?
He now writes as if betcoin tells him what to say or betcoin is actu allly posting on his behalf.
DUDE TELL US HOW IT WAS RESOLVED, TELL US HOW MUCH YOU WHERE PAID OR JUST CLOSE THE fucCKN THREAD

DUDE,

betcoin is obviously telling him what to say so...

rip jasonoort

[RichGang]

He goes ranting everywhere about how he got scammed,  then suddenly goes annoyingly silent or post off the point replies. With due respek to the people reading this, I must say fuck u jason

[CL-Ed]

Am I the only one tjat thinks this jason dude is begining to sound annoying?

Remember when someone told you that it's better to shut your mouth and let people think you're an idiot, rather than open it and remove all doubt? Oh I see, sorry. You never got that message.

It is obvious that he has been coerced into saying what he has said. He probably wouldn't have been paid anything without posting it. Put yourself in his shoes and have a think about what you would do in the same situation: agree and get something, don't agree and get nothing.

Imagine if he had been paid the whole amount. He would be ecstatic and telling everyone. Betcoin would be making more of their BS marketing drivel posts and Betsoft would be issuing press releases and telling everyone what great guys they are. None of these things have happened so we can safely assume that he hasn't been paid the full amount that he won.

That is all anyone needs to know. What difference does it make to you how much they paid him? No matter what he received it was less than he should have, so he has been ripped off. Yet Betcoin and Betsoft continue on their merry way with no care, no responsibility. You would be smarter to remember and concentrate on that rather than abusing a victim who was put in a no-win situation.

[TwitchySeal]

Betcoin Jessica stopped by chat earlier I see.  Grabbed the archive and edited it down to relevant comments and reversed the bottom to top reading order.  Entire unedited version here:
https://archive.is/pSjUZ

ungod: jessica is betcoin trying to say that casinolistings.com a reputable online casino review site for over 10 years published a false independent review of betsoft games? thats the only way i can see justifying to continuing to carry betsoft slots in the face of that independent 3rd party review is if youre trying to say they fabricated it or something wheres the motive? is this real life?

Betcoin Jessica: There will be a very good article coming this week explaining how casino games work for online casinos. Clearly some clarification is necessary.

ungod: how casino games work for online casinos? we dont need a dummy article we need a removal of a provider who turns jackpots off and on and dials frequencies up and down at will there is 100% irrefutable evidence from an independent 3rd party review of such things...this is bullshit

Betcoin Jessica: ungod you need the knowledge my friend..you do.

ungod: you didnt see the casinolistings.com 9 month independent review of jackpot frequencies?

Betcoin Jessica: They need to publish an independent review of their jackpots from a reputable company.

ungod: a company of their choosing perhaps? and time to turn their rig off for the upcoming review? provide us with a fair provider one who hasnt been found guilty time and time again isnt that your job as a casino affiliate?

Betcoin Jessica: ungod, what we love about you is you talk like you actually are fully informed. It's amusing.

ungod: jessica is saying betsoft needs some time to turn all the rigs off on the slots and get them in order and pick their own company to review them basically jessica is saying that casinolistings.com isnt a reputable 3rd party reviewer  thats the bottom line you guys need betsoft to keep the doors open

BigThangz: ungod don't waste your time fighting a winless battle like ohyeah

Betcoin Jessica: Oh and growing from a staff of 3 to 40. Some people get lucky. Oh and giving the people the best opportunity in online poker.

ungod: lets be real,  its easy to grow staff from 3 to 40 when you have over 3000 coins collected towards unwinnable progressive jackpots

Betcoin Jessica: Yeah, it's easy. lol

ungod: 0 jackpot wins in 2 years? across all betsoft progressives?

Betcoin Jessica: I tell you this has been so easy and we have gotten so lucky!

ungod: why is casinolistings.com not a reputable company to present an independent 3rd party review?

ungod: bovada took em all down slots.lv took em down there are review sites that have been open for 20 years

Betcoin Jessica: lol

Betcoin Jessica: bovada and slots.lv are the same company ungod

ungod: not only did they take them down they added the bullshit jackpot values to their other games to make up for it you guys and betsoft could be the same company easily as far as we the players are concerned\

Betcoin Jessica: Also, you should really try to understand the real reason they took them down.

ungod: in fact that seems likely that the both of you are controlled by the same parent company

Betcoin Jessica: I wish!

ungod: why else would you refuse so vehemently to address the 3rd party independent study

Betcoin Jessica: We are waiting for their statement and study and you do realize that every one of our competitors and nearly every casino besides bovada has them?

Betcoin Jessica: You make statements like we are the only one. Lol

BigThangz: lol

Betcoin Jessica: lol!

Betcoin Jessica: ungod, ungod ungod, you should create a casino enter into a deal with some companies and then you will find out what goes on between provider and operator.

ungod: or are you guys going to keep pretending you have inside information on the bovada/betsoft breakoff? and it miraculously has nothing to do with the casinolistings study?

ungod: ok i called that one right?

Betcoin Jessica: There is a lot to it when you get to Betsoft's level and Bovada's level from fees to commissions to advetising to exclusives to egos

Betcoin Jessica: ungod, we learn more about you everyday and know just what type of person you are. Your heart is somewhat in the right place and we appreciate you for that.

Betcoin Jessica: Had a little time to kill, enjoyed it, good luck guys. See you in here a little later.

Betcoin Jessica: Bye, also the mitigation of the 6 hour attack has been removed so please let support know if anything slows.

ungod: do you guys legitimately believe that bovada ditched betsoft at the same time the buzz was going on about the casinolistings.com study and jasonort nonpayment of jackpot? you really believe the 2 events werent related?  or do you just want really bad for us the players to believe that?

(One minute later)

Betcoin Jessica: Big, we never learn all we need to know about someone. For us it's lifelong learning, but we understand your point.  It's a part of it ungod, but there is much more to it. Always look deeper ungod, you are a smart guy.

Betcoin Jessica: Go deeper than the surface, deep deep deep.

ungod: a part of it is enough jessica the provider is corrupt

Betcoin Jessica: Good luck guys, enjoyed the convo and talk soon.

BigThangz: UG did twitchy hire for part time work or what

Betcoin Jessica: Big, ungod always brings up good points, we agree with many but he never sees or examines the other side.

ungod: so betcoin stands firmly behind betsoft regardless of the 3rd party independent study that caught them with their pants down blatantly rigging slot jackpots for 9 months?

Betcoin Jessica: Anyways, I must go.

[jasonort]

He goes ranting everywhere about how he got scammed,  then suddenly goes annoyingly silent or post off the point replies. With due respek to the people reading this, I must say fuck u jason

Thank you for the respek.  You're an idiot.  I've said all that I am allowed to say.

[RichGang]

He goes ranting everywhere about how he got scammed,  then suddenly goes annoyingly silent or post off the point replies. With due respek to the people reading this, I must say fuck u jason

Thank you for the respek.  You're an idiot.  I've said all that I am allowed to say.

What a stanking pussy. Idiots like u make those bastards pullup more scams confidently

[Zepher]

He goes ranting everywhere about how he got scammed,  then suddenly goes annoyingly silent or post off the point replies. With due respek to the people reading this, I must say fuck u jason

Thank you for the respek.  You're an idiot.  I've said all that I am allowed to say.

Well it seems like you're content with what you received, which obviously came attached to a NDA. It was becoming clear you weren't going to get the jackpot that you were entitled to, and you've taken whatever amount you could get your hands on. In one respect, I don't blame you. On the other hand, it sucks that they got away with this so easily.

[mentaken]

He goes ranting everywhere about how he got scammed,  then suddenly goes annoyingly silent or post off the point replies. With due respek to the people reading this, I must say fuck u jason

Thank you for the respek.  You're an idiot.  I've said all that I am allowed to say.

Well it seems like you're content with what you received, which obviously came attached to a NDA. It was becoming clear you weren't going to get the jackpot that you were entitled to, and you've taken whatever amount you could get your hands on. In one respect, I don't blame you. On the other hand, it sucks that they got away with this so easily.

Ok that was a settlement between jasonort and Betsoft. So Betsoft admits they were wrong. Why does betcoin.ag still supports Betsoft?

[james.lent]

He goes ranting everywhere about how he got scammed,  then suddenly goes annoyingly silent or post off the point replies. With due respek to the people reading this, I must say fuck u jason

Thank you for the respek.  You're an idiot.  I've said all that I am allowed to say.

Well it seems like you're content with what you received, which obviously came attached to a NDA. It was becoming clear you weren't going to get the jackpot that you were entitled to, and you've taken whatever amount you could get your hands on. In one respect, I don't blame you. On the other hand, it sucks that they got away with this so easily.

Ok that was a settlement between jasonort and Betsoft. So Betsoft admits they were wrong. Why does betcoin.ag still supports Betsoft?

Thats because without betsoft, they wont have any other casino games left.

[joksim299]

He goes ranting everywhere about how he got scammed,  then suddenly goes annoyingly silent or post off the point replies. With due respek to the people reading this, I must say fuck u jason

Thank you for the respek.  You're an idiot.  I've said all that I am allowed to say.

Well it seems like you're content with what you received, which obviously came attached to a NDA. It was becoming clear you weren't going to get the jackpot that you were entitled to, and you've taken whatever amount you could get your hands on. In one respect, I don't blame you. On the other hand, it sucks that they got away with this so easily.

Ok that was a settlement between jasonort and Betsoft. So Betsoft admits they were wrong. Why does betcoin.ag still supports Betsoft?

Thats because without betsoft, they wont have any other casino games left.

Or they share not winnable money from the 'jackpot' pool.