OK, first things first.The whole purpose of Escrow is so that one person doesn't scam the other in a trade.
There are two issues, firstly, a scam has taken place in that
lind82 hasn't passed on goods agreed to in exchange for funds (in this case BitCoins which were sent to Bithra.com )
The second issue is that the funds are being held in Escrow by Bithra.com via a mechanism where by the funds are deposited by the purchaser
kassadin5 and will be released by Bithra.com when kassadin5 uses the
secret token to trigger the payment to the seller.
The Bithra.com site was announced here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1456828.0 on the 2nd May 2016 by
RHavar and was vouched by DarkStar_ the next day in the thread.
[quote author=RHavar link=topic=1456828.msg14736064#msg14736064 date=1462230183]
[quote author=Dogedigital link=topic=1456828.msg14734701#msg14734701 date=1462218503]
Very nice site. I'm impressed.
What happens in the case of disputes?
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Thanks! The two parties need to work it out. It's the moral equivalent of 2-of-2 multisig, but designed to be easier to use (no public key sharing, both people don't need to sign the transaction). If you need arbitration or something more advanced, it's not really the service.
There was a good discussion of it in bustabit, but basically the summary is that it removes the upside in scamming --
but doesn't prevent people scamming.
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OK, it doesn't stop people scamming.
[quote author=RHavar link=topic=1456828.msg14737450#msg14737450 date=1462249934]
[quote author=Quickseller link=topic=1456828.msg14737249#msg14737249 date=1462246630]
I am also curious to know what will happen after the one year period is up
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If the funds are never released,
they will be forever lost to bithra. They won't be sent to the destination, or returned to sender -- as picking either of them could encourage a type of scammers. It kind of mimicks what happens in a 2-of-2 escrow situation, when the parties don't come to agreement (except in this case, I keep the money instead of them being forever unspendable)
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(The
I keep the money part above is referring to a 2-of-2 Escrow)
So, let's go over to Bithra.com
Destination:
Bitcoin address of the receiver. This can not be changed.
Select Method:
Standard
Advanced
Release Secret:
This is the "code" to release the escrowed funds. YOU MUST SAVE IT, but not share it.
There is a message dialogue:
Please Confirm
Destination Address: 1kasd5a3xf7DSpQuVJ22QppXvsj519XHk
This is the only address that funds can be released to.
Release Secret: XXXXXXXXXX <-- not really the release key, but I digress...
Don't forget to write it down (and back it up)! This is required to release the funds.
You are given two options:
So at every step you've been told the "risks" such as they are of this Escrow.
I've created a Wallet Address:
1kasd5a3xf7DSpQuVJ22QppXvsj519XHk which then creates a Wallet Address:
https://www.bithra.com/escrows/1Gx4npuQR22tUVKfzsiUtFUPGyirsSLVgpon the page at the bottom there is the guarantee:
{
"address": "1MGeKWdiUiKPBt3NUR7NsmNDsZT5LgycrW",
"message": "The address 1Gx4npuQR22tUVKfzsiUtFUPGyirsSLVgp was generated on 2016-07-03T02:14:25.564Z by bithra.com, and holds funds in escrow for 1kasd5a3xf7DSpQuVJ22QppXvsj519XHk and will be released with signed instructions from 12FDqVzmvt3JSa7fy34AMRRSY9waG4Wd9S in the next year",
"signature": "Hzs6TSqGjbJDZ/kZkF4vuSxYqsCkcHWVIuHWUT9hr+wxHostuv/61vm0chef1JBohizFo26VTdf04RltGKJfSgk="
}
In the example funds would be deposited, the purchased item is delivered, then the BitCoins held in Escrow are released.
On the Bithra home page there is a whole section
Why should I use Bithra? At the bottom of the page is the FAQ link:
https://www.bithra.com/faq which in part reads:
The sender won't release funds?
Sorry, we can't help. You will need to sort it out with them, acting without instruction would invalidate our provably fair guarantees, and open the door to escrow scammers.
How long does the escrow last?
We guarantee it for a year, from creation. This allows us for what ever reason to have a smooth shut down (We would stop creating new escrows, and give people a year to release). In practice, they should be valid for longer than that. If you need an extension, just send an email and it can be extended a year.
It's spelt out quite convincingly what you
kassadin5 self-Escrowing are getting into.
OK, so now we get to
the actual scam:
[quote author=kassadin5 link=topic=1534851.msg15446230#msg15446230 date=1467481748]
https://blockchain.info/tx/1b5bc84cca7ea437d84cff72c55a257cd3ea1dce5db6c08ca5fbf9a292bf81a3screenshots of the conversation with lind82 -
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blobc69697b59f18d93e.png https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob0146b6a38cc4df32.png https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob9cc20429e567448c.png[/quote]
I wasn't able to read these when you posted them on the Bithra BCT page, but I can now.
Yes, it would seem you have been scammed by lind82 in that they have tried to coax from you the secret key you used to create the Escrow with.
As such I will red flag lind82 and encourage others to do likewise as this is a clear scam attempt to prey upon your desperation to buy an account in the hope you would hand over the secret key.
I will contact lind82 via PM (Private Mail) in the hope that I can convince them to hand over to a third party the purchased goods and in return will get an undertaking from kassadin5 to release the funds.
While it might on the surface look humorous that someone with negative trust has been scammed, let's not forget that a person has been scammed for a considerable sum.
The TX quoted sends funds to
1KM1NoNDoNhGidRZGcza9tuVkuhw4nSQQg BTC 0.24 (Roughly $ 160.00
at the time of transaction).
There is indeed a Bithra Escrow page for that Wallet Address:
https://www.bithra.com/escrows/1KM1NoNDoNhGidRZGcza9tuVkuhw4nSQQg so on the balance of probabilities, everything kassadin5 has said about being the sender of funds (including an offer to sign a message from Wallet Address
1Q5LQzeZw5kbiCwnszyF1VY5jFgFrPCYxR ) checks out as being true.
All we can do now is contact lind82 and ask that they release the purchased goods to a fourth party... Which looks like it is up to me to do...
I'll keep you informed.
But before I go... the destination Wallet Address
12GNo1TNmm8g75XtfD9M7LfeXLv39r8jHQ is part of
Wallet [00007e70a7] with a total of 53,466 Wallet Addresses...
We know lind82
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552363 uses it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1514806.msg15264185#msg15264185 (locked thread)
http://archive.is/cX25fAs does
adiyrie https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=453306http://archive.is/MTvNU[quote author=adiyrie link=topic=1012975.msg10990656#msg10990656 date=1428250790]
Done follow you
https://
twitter.com/rara_bitco12GNo1TNmm8g75XtfD9M7LfeXLv39r8jHQ[/quote]
http://archive.is/KvsIa[quote author=adiyrie link=topic=1010575.msg10969265#msg10969265 date=1428057585]
Done
follow and tweet https://
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...and so does
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http://archive.is/4svIY[quote author=DirectDice link=topic=743577.msg10038557#msg10038557 date=1420404884]
[quote author=howbtc link=topic=743577.msg10038483#msg10038483 date=1420404380]
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Escrow scammer with multiple Alts
lind82 u=552363 -4: -2 / +0 adiyrie u=453306 and howbtc u=221437
With same twitter rara_bitco and
facebook.com bijai.bj