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August 07, 2016, 05:15:24 PM
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I have one question, if I want to participate in the ico through C-Cex, then i buy there and what i have to do then to get my HEAT after the ico?

Or will i get my HEAT automatically on C-Cex?
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August 07, 2016, 05:55:29 PM
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Or will i get my HEAT automatically on C-Cex?
Your C-CEX stakes already can be considered HEAT tokens. Their amount will be adjusted upwards to match with the final rate (more than 1 HEAT per token) if not all 25M tokens are sold during the ICO. So whatever amount you see at C-Cex is the minimum amount of HEAT you'll have. Currently it looks likely that amount will be adjusted up during the distribution.

All 25M are distributed to stakeholders in September in any case.

If ICO isn't fully reserved, 1 000 000 HEAT are locked up as an incentive and released for development crew after 1 250 000 blocks (1 year).



         
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August 07, 2016, 07:18:39 PM
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We are aiming for extremely low transaction fees, as low as possible basically.
But since we don't yet know the market cap HEAT will have at launch we can't decide on those yet.
But if the market cap increase 100x then the transaction fee will be 100 times as expensive. If the fee is not a problem after having increased 10000 % then it was probably too low in the beginning for people to secure the network. NXT has a low fee now but the hard coded fee is 1 NXT, and if the market cap ever reaches 1 billion then the fee for every transaction will be $1. It will probably never reach a market cap of 10 billion because people wouldn't be willing to pay $10 for every transaction. An optimal Heat Ledger fee now will probably not be an optimal fee a few years from now. Why not do something else like letting the users decide what the most optimal fee will be? A kind of voting/consensus mechanism. To me that seems to be much better than having to change the code of the protocol when the fee in dollar terms becomes too high or too low.

Don't worry please.
You will not be paying 10 euro for every transaction.
As said there are various cost levels, in these 'levels' existing accounts can send transactions to existing accounts at almost no cost!

Which i believe is a very good thing.

But HEAT is also at a risk here, especially now the market cap is low.
While probably all other crypto-currencies can be crippled and made unresponsive or simply be made to break down just by sending a whole load of transactions to them, HEAT has solved this inherent weakness.

But it has not become free to send transactions entirely.
Some operations (like i said - sending to a new account for instance) still need to be somehow protected against misuse..

And thats exactly what fees in a POS system are meant for, to prevent misuse.
So while basically anyone can do 99% of operations (assuming you send 99 transactions to existing accounts) at almost no cost, there simply MUST be a significant cost related to sending new accounts.

Which, as far as I understand, can only be kept as a miuse prevention if its cost indeed are somehow too significant to ignore.

So this does require us to adjust fees when market cap rises, adjust them down of course.
But i dont see a problem with that at all, since it doesn't involve any changes for any one sending transactions to existing accounts.

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August 07, 2016, 07:25:24 PM
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HEAT Weekly crypto roundup #4 is out! Happy reading:

https://heatledger.ghost.io/crypto-roundup-4/

         
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August 07, 2016, 07:35:17 PM
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The whitepaper is very nice, and the devs seem very professional and technical.

Thanks!

However, one thing that concerns me, is I don't see actual code on github anywhere.
Why don't you open-source it, so we can see what you're working on?

You are correct that there is no code on github I have however been sharing key parts and class files on this forum.

The problem with sharing on github (at this moment) is because I'm making such huge changes, on a sometimes not even compile-able let alone run-able version of HEAT.

Please understand where we started, we took standard NXT and had to take out over 80% of its code.

Afterwards we had to fill in all blank parts that NXT solves quite easily by simply embedding their database in the middle.
For HEAT all this SQL logic had to be translated into "normal" Java code. Had to be made to run extremely fast, while supporting many thousands of txns a second.

To be honest.. what's that like is that i have to code over parts three or four times sometimes (see my comments and source code, in this thread, for how we solved the mem-pool - which had to be done over).

So hope you'll understand we'll release source code when its at least a complete package.

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That said.... in case you are an experienced java coder?
And willing to support me by reviewing key parts of our software, please drop me a PM and I'll make sure you get the parts that need reviewing.

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August 07, 2016, 07:39:32 PM
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Will there be voting enabled in the first wallet?

This is not planned for the initial release.

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August 07, 2016, 07:43:27 PM
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Yes. A fixed fee for something as dynamic as the price of a cryptocurrency doesn't make sense. A fixed percentage would mean that it can become very expensive to transfer large amounts.

They will be extremely cheap. HEAT is not NXT, we don't have to worry about getting full.

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August 07, 2016, 07:45:27 PM
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1500 BTC raised so far and a little over 24 hours to go.
Looking forward to see where we will end up.

Will the stock options be calculated before or after you claim your HEAT?
I have purchased some by direct deposit and some from C-Cex. If they are calculated before I claim my HEAT I could lose out on 1 stock option for each ICO option I have used.

Of course we have no idea about the value of a stock option but it would be nice to know.

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August 07, 2016, 09:35:50 PM
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how much longer for ICO end?
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how much longer for ICO end?
It ends at 23.59 gmt on monday. So 26 hours and 15 mins left.

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August 07, 2016, 09:46:52 PM
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Going to spend some coins. Hope to get some amount together to invest in this..

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August 08, 2016, 07:06:42 AM
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Will the stock options be calculated before or after you claim your HEAT?
They'll be calculated, meaning the # of HEAT required for each option, before the HEAT distribution for sure.

Release of the options in the "physical" form (we intend them to be publicly tradeable before the IPO) is still something we have to clear, and see what's possible legally. From what I know this is the first time in history real registered stock options for company stock are given in large scale based on cryptocurrency holdings.

Most likely HEAT holdings on an exchange can't receive options, so you'll have an opportunity to withdraw your HEAT from exchanges to use them for the options.

         
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August 08, 2016, 08:38:57 AM
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difference between directly sending to dev or using an exchange like ccex?
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August 08, 2016, 09:03:58 AM
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If I have invested some couple of days ago and would like to invest more, can I just send more from the same address or is there some other way to do this properly?
You can send more from the same address or different address.

To claim HEAT tokens, you'll need to have access to any addresses you've sent the investments from.

difference between directly sending to dev or using an exchange like ccex?
Sending directly removes any intermediary / exchange account risk but means more work for you to claim tokens in September.

         
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August 08, 2016, 12:49:09 PM
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Last chance to invest today, so I have some tough questions:

How well advanced is the development of the tech? Is September 5th realistic for the genesis block?

Will the first version to be released in September already have the key features of the tech implemented? Or will these key features come one by one in the course of months and years like with Nxt?

When will this coin hit exchanges and which one? Is bringing that coin to polo a top priority for you or do you have the mindset: "This is not about speculation, it is enough when you can trade it on Ronny Boesing's exchanges"? (Nothing against Ronny, but polo is where the music plays.)

Do you have CONCRETE plans on active marketing IMMEDIATELY after launch?

Is the company already in existence and who are the shareholders?

Are you already in concrete talks with big investors in the company and with real businesses who want to cooperate with you?

Thanks in advance.
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How well advanced is the development of the tech? Is September 5th realistic for the genesis block?
We've been working on it for soon half a year, with earlier incomplete development versions already used for demoing sub-areas for partners. So it's rather advanced by now, and the genesis estimate is realistic based on our past progress and the todo list at this moment.

Note that many of the features advertised are pretty much ready to be slapped on (from FIMK & the projects - of course not that simple but relatively speaking what comes to the total workload). So recently it's been the HEAT core we've been working on and will continue to do so for almost whole of the month ahead.

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Will the first version to be released in September already have the key features of the tech implemented?
It will indeed carry many of the key features advertised.

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Or will these key features come one by one in the course of months and years like with Nxt?
Some key features, like splitting of the storage layer, will be added after genesis but rather in the course of months, not years.

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When will this coin hit exchanges and which one?
Openledger, C-CEX and Alcurex will enable HEAT trading and withdrawals right after they've received the genesis block tokens.

Other exchanges not scheduled yet. Notice that the HEAT client has a decentralized exchange built-in, which will necessarily yield wide exposure as it's "on your face" for all the HEAT client users. Our goal is to carry at least BTC/HEAT exchange there shortly after initial distribution.

Additionally, we'll likely have some backup token exchange arrangements on the FIMK AE.

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Is bringing that coin to polo a top priority for you or do you have the mindset
I think there must be some shades of gray between considering Ronny's exchanges sufficient and on the other end starting an uncertain yet tedious process of complete Polowhoring Cheesy

Openledger certainly isn't enough, whereas listing on Polo and Bittrex from our experience involves procedures whose business viability are questionable. But maybe it's different for a fresh platform carrying significant ICO success recently when compared to rather obscure FIMK from 2 years back. Poloniex listing will be worked towards.

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Do you have CONCRETE plans on active marketing IMMEDIATELY after launch?
We'll be arranging the legal stuff, team building and company stock release while having the cooloff period of 4 weeks before the token distribution. This is well warranted as the resources are still scarce before it gets rolling properly. Emphasis for marketing is built during this cooloff period and allocated starting from the token release.

HEAT is a long term project, and it's not our goal to hit a price explosion upon token launch. Rather, we'll want to avoid that. Any rate above ICO rates will be just fine, whether it's 2x or 20x. Lower rates, well they're not that usual nowadays either.

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Is the company already in existence and who are the shareholders?
Yes it is, pending clearing in the Finnish authorities database
https://tietopalvelu.ytj.fi/yritystiedot.aspx?yavain=2632757&tarkiste=6F2F5FD1A9DCD627A99BD02A8DADDC5ED1FDE31E
Founding shareholders now before funding round 2 are myself and lead developer Mr. de Klerk.

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Are you already in concrete talks with big investors in the company and with real businesses who want to cooperate with you?
Yes, some investor channels however more so with businesses with whom we already have Joint Venture agreements, customer relationships and contracted projects pulling (obviously paused during the ICO hassle and before we get more workforce to attend to all projects required).

Thanks to yourself for the excellent questions.

         
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August 08, 2016, 02:11:18 PM
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Poloniex listing will be worked towards.

poloniex definitely gives a coin exposure to a bigger community.  We saw Lisk go over 20k BTC volume on polo after launch.  Would not have seen that kind of volume and coin distribution on bittrex or ccex.

I actually think that's one of the things the Lisk team did best, compared to icos which are now trading below ico price (waves, brk, rise)

Marketing and listing on big exchanges like poloniex were top priorites at launch, which translates to healthier volume and big players taking interest in the project.

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August 08, 2016, 02:31:17 PM
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starting an uncertain yet tedious process of complete Polowhoring Cheesy

Openledger certainly isn't enough, whereas listing on Polo and Bittrex from our experience involves procedures whose business viability are questionable. But maybe it's different for a fresh platform carrying significant ICO success recently when compared to rather obscure FIMK from 2 years back. Poloniex listing will be worked towards.
This worries me a bit: Do you have some personal beef with polo because they didnt want to list FIMK? That would be really sad. For investors polo listing is very important.

I actually think that's one of the things the Lisk team did best, compared to icos which are now trading below ico price (waves, brk, rise)

Marketing and listing on big exchanges like poloniex were top priorites at launch, which translates to healthier volume and big players taking interest in the project.
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If I were you, I would try to get this listed on the first day on Polo at all cost. This could make the biggest difference for a great start.

Invested some more ETH here because I think that this could be an awesome project.
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August 08, 2016, 02:46:28 PM
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This worries me a bit: Do you have some personal beef with polo because they didnt want to list FIMK? That would be really sad. For investors polo listing is very important.
No beef - they probably just haven't paid real attention to how listing us would benefit their business. There must be hundreds of projects trying to get listed, and when we last contacted them before the HEAT ICO details it didn't look any different. It might be well different now, we'll have quite much more ammo after the finished HEAT ICO figures...

HEAT is leaning towards decentralized exchange. So our stance is that getting on Poloniex or any centralized exchange is far from being a single main focus of Heat Ledger Ltd. But like I said, there are many shades of gray between being the main focus, and complete lack of interest, and we acknowledge the market's needs.

         
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