[SMAS] Signature Managers against Spam (light version)

[Your Point Is Invalid]

lemmi just paste what the definition of a threat is real quick

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a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

I wanted to a) warn the users in that campaign of what I considered doing and b) gain opinions from other DT users about how to proceed.
Leaving negative feedback for scams or advertising scams isn't a "hostile action". It's a concequence of what the user in question did themselves.

Lutpin, in your defense, what you wrote *could* be considered a 'threat' if you use YPII's definition which he so priggishly hauled out.  My question is: Yeah, so what?? 

If Betcoin.ag is a scam and folks are promoting it via a sig campaign, well, that's what DT members do.  Bust out the paint, and Lutpin isn't the only one doing it.  That's not something that IMO needs a warning or anything even coming close to a threat.  Offenders get marked and then the whining begins in meta, scam accusations, and reputation.  So be it.  You folks are looking after the best interests of the forum and are doing a fairly good job of it.  End of pseudo-asskissing session, continue on ladies.   

Your response to Lutpin going around threatening to give users negative is "so what??"

wow

edit: then you guys throw a tantrum when og says he should probably kill himself

the double standards here are ridiculous. Some people making themselves look stupid just to be on Lutpin's good side

What double standard?  I leave copious amounts of negative feedback for account sellers and buyers, and with no warning or threat whatsoever.  Lutpin et al probably give that warning because their feedback carries that extra weight.  And no, I could care less if he or any other DT member tags someone promoting a scam site in their signature.  With warning, threat, or none of the above.

Please, I'm not trying to smuggle anyone's bone here.  Lighten the fuck up.

Being on or off dt shouldnt affect how you give your ratings, are you gonna delete all of them and start over if you get added to DT?
I think not

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[TwitchySeal]

lemmi just paste what the definition of a threat is real quick

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a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

I wanted to a) warn the users in that campaign of what I considered doing and b) gain opinions from other DT users about how to proceed.
Leaving negative feedback for scams or advertising scams isn't a "hostile action". It's a concequence of what the user in question did themselves.

One hiccup doesnt make an entire company a scam and im sure that if you were to leave all the members of their campaign negative feedback, there would be some users who didnt even know about the jackpot thing

One hiccup?  Do some research man.

Let's talk hypothetically though so this doesn't turn into Betcoin debate.

What do you (YPIInvalid) suggest the most appropriate way to handle an unethical business, running a signature campaign on this forum.  This business hasn't always had a negative reputation, and the signature campaign is one of the highest paying and has been running for about a year.

What's the right thing to do?

[Lauda]

@Lutpin, Lauda, Yahoo:
do you really guys have all this time to mess with these butthurted shills? This is the time when i wish a topic was self moderated uh...
~Gun

You can't create a self-moderated thread in Meta. If these time-wasting activities continue by either butthurt shills, then a new thread in another section may be required.

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You're inciting subjective bias here, and it would be hard to objectively kick you from a campaign now (should there be a need). Stop flooding SMAS with personal issues regarding Lutpin's involvement in Betcoin/Ognasty situation.

3. selected who can join the signature campaign or easy for you give priority to your friends to join in sig campaigns.

Im really only concerned with opinion #3 here. I currently manage 9 signature campaigns. Of those 9 campaigns i have 461 positions. Of that 461 positions only 236 positions are filled. That leaves 225 openings in the campaigns im currently managing.I need to get me alot more friends if i want to fill these completely up.

In all seriousness i dont think 1 single manager is giving priority to their "friends". I cannot confirm that from lutpin or lauda but im sure they have no problem allowing you to look over the spreadsheets and see the list of participants. I know i personally obviously have alot of open spots so im not giving priority to anyone.

The conspiracy theories are absurd at best. There are over 100 free spots in Bitmixer. I'd require a ton of friends as well.

[Your Point Is Invalid]

@Lutpin, Lauda, Yahoo:
do you really guys have all this time to mess with these butthurted shills? This is the time when i wish a topic was self moderated uh...
~Gun

You can't create a self-moderated thread in Meta. If these time-wasting activities continue by either butthurt shills, then a new thread in another section may be required.

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You're inciting subjective bias here, and it would be hard to objectively kick you from a campaign now (should there be a need). Stop flooding SMAS with personal issues regarding Lutpin's involvement in Betcoin/Ognasty situation.
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Ofcourse you would be of the impression that i am being biased

edit: and ofcourse you are free to kick me from the campaign or ban me from the forum if you want

[Lauda]

Ofcourse you would be of the impression that i am being biased

No, that's not what I said. You are introducing bias via that personal dispute into potential future decisions by managers. Where there is potential for bias, there are 10 butthurt alts [1] waiting to cry about unfairness, power abuse, et al.
[1] - I'm not trying to imply that you are going to do this, but you get my point.

[Ivanech]

Hi guys, Lutpin and yahoo especially.

I do not know what is a reason I found my name in your lists. I suppose the only reason is my mainly activity in Local (Russian) forum sections. And other reason is that you don't understand any word on languages other then English and then totally supposing all the non-english posts as a "spam".

Next time you start a witch hunting, be more reasonable.

[yahoo62278]

Hi guys, Lutpin and yahoo especially.

I do not know what is a reason I found my name in your lists. I suppose the only reason is my mainly activity in Local (Russian) forum sections. And other reason is that you don't understand any word on languages other then English and then totally supposing all the non-english posts as a "spam".

Next time you start a witch hunting, be more reasonable.

How about you do some research 1st before throwing my name out there or Lutpin who hasnt even published a list yet.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1657397.0

Your name was added to the list by Lauda in fact. And its in the mainly posts in local boards list. I just combined that list into the ban list and made 1 large list.

If im in need of a local poster(which i currently am for 1xbit and Xaurum) i will disregard the ban list in some cases. Im not ruling out local posters unless youre just posting little 5 word sentences in your whole post history

[Lauda]

IMHO blatantly constantly breaking signature campaign rules also warrants a place on the blacklist, even if your posts are not that bad. I have split my initial blacklist into two because of this though.

[Lutpin]

How about you do some research 1st before throwing my name out there or Lutpin who hasnt even published a list yet.

It seems me being OP and having the first reply, thus taking care of updates and the combinated list, makes it "my list".

[Ivanech]

The problem was in Bitmixer signature campaign management. The rules are

- Excluded sections: Off-topic / Games and rounds / Alternate cryptocurrencies / Indonesian/ Meta* and this thread.

However, a two weeks ago they kicked-out all russain speaking members without any prior notice (this is against Bitmixer original rule). There are too many complains about Bitmixer management in our local section.

[Lauda]

The problem was in Bitmixer signature campaign management. The rules are

- Excluded sections: Off-topic / Games and rounds / Alternate cryptocurrencies / Indonesian/ Meta* and this thread.

However, a two weeks ago they kicked-out all russain speaking members without any prior notice (this is against Bitmixer original rule). There are too many complains about Bitmixer management in our local section.

There is no problem in management. The problem is that you 'Russians' and any other local section spammers that have been blacklisted are unable to read:

- You must post in multiple sections of the forum during your participation/week (if higher post count). People who make posts in short bursts will be permanently banned!

FYI (in case that you're confused) Russian section counts as '1' section (regardless of those sub-boards).

[Ivanech]

The problem was in Bitmixer signature campaign management. The rules are

- Excluded sections: Off-topic / Games and rounds / Alternate cryptocurrencies / Indonesian/ Meta* and this thread.

However, a two weeks ago they kicked-out all russain speaking members without any prior notice (this is against Bitmixer original rule). There are too many complains about Bitmixer management in our local section.

There is no problem in management. The problem is that you 'Russians' and any other local section spammers that have been blacklisted are unable to read:

- You must post in multiple sections of the forum during your participation/week (if higher post count). People who make posts in short bursts will be permanently banned!

FYI (in case that you're confused) Russian section counts as '1' section (regardless of those sub-boards.

Your campaing - your rules, of course.

As for me, I was on vacation posting on forum (it is not against your rules due to no minimum weekly posts required). And then after I return to the forum you treated the small amount of local posts as a "spam" before I have a chance to enjoy other sections.

[Your Point Is Invalid]

The problem was in Bitmixer signature campaign management. The rules are

- Excluded sections: Off-topic / Games and rounds / Alternate cryptocurrencies / Indonesian/ Meta* and this thread.

However, a two weeks ago they kicked-out all russain speaking members without any prior notice (this is against Bitmixer original rule). There are too many complains about Bitmixer management in our local section.

There is no problem in management. The problem is that you 'Russians' and any other local section spammers that have been blacklisted are unable to read:

- You must post in multiple sections of the forum during your participation/week (if higher post count). People who make posts in short bursts will be permanently banned!

FYI (in case that you're confused) Russian section counts as '1' section (regardless of those sub-boards.

Your campaing - your rules, of course.

As for me, I was on vacation posting on forum (it is not against your rules due to no minimum weekly posts required). And then after I return to the forum you treated the small amount of local posts as a "spam" before I have a chance to enjoy other sections.

Lauda's logic is if that you make 2 post in one week and the posts are in the same section, you will be banned

[actmyname]

FYI (in case that you're confused) Russian section counts as '1' section (regardless of those sub-boards.

Your campaing - your rules, of course.

As for me, I was on vacation posting on forum (it is not against your rules due to no minimum weekly posts required). And then after I return to the forum you treated the small amount of local posts as a "spam" before I have a chance to enjoy other sections.

Pfft. So, you expect us to believe that you are going to post in multiple sections when not even 10% of your posts are outside of the Russian board?

Let's take a look at your post history, too - from two weeks ago, you've been static in the Russian board apart from a Bitsler campaign application and your posts here.

Here's your English post section breakdown:

Micro Earnings: 12
Mining (Altcoins): 12
Services: 8
Project Development: 5
Altcoin Discussion: 5
Meta: 4
Games and Rounds: 3
Beginners & Help: 3
Service Discussion (Altcoins): 2
Service Discussion: 2
Marketplace (Altcoins): 2
CPU/GPU bitcoin mining hardware: 1
Mining software (miners): 1
Trading Discussion, Service Announcements, Web Wallets: 3 (total)

The sum of the ones that count is a disappointing 34 out of your total 743 posts. That's ~4.6%.

[Quickseller]

FYI (in case that you're confused) Russian section counts as '1' section (regardless of those sub-boards.

Your campaing - your rules, of course.

As for me, I was on vacation posting on forum (it is not against your rules due to no minimum weekly posts required). And then after I return to the forum you treated the small amount of local posts as a "spam" before I have a chance to enjoy other sections.

Pfft. So, you expect us to believe that you are going to post in multiple sections when not even 10% of your posts are outside of the Russian board?

Let's take a look at your post history, too - from two weeks ago, you've been static in the Russian board apart from a Bitsler campaign application and your posts here.

Here's your English post section breakdown:

Micro Earnings: 12
Mining (Altcoins): 12
Services: 8
Project Development: 5
Altcoin Discussion: 5
Meta: 4
Games and Rounds: 3
Beginners & Help: 3
Service Discussion (Altcoins): 2
Service Discussion: 2
Marketplace (Altcoins): 2
CPU/GPU bitcoin mining hardware: 1
Mining software (miners): 1
Trading Discussion, Service Announcements, Web Wallets: 3 (total)

The sum of the ones that count is a disappointing 34 out of your total 743 posts. That's ~4.6%.

If this guy speaks Russian at home and cannot speak English fluently then is it a bad thing he doesn't post in English sections? Sounds counter intuitive to me

[DarkStar_]

IMHO blatantly constantly breaking signature campaign rules also warrants a place on the blacklist, even if your posts are not that bad. I have split my initial blacklist into two because of this though.

I disagree, depending on the rule. The BitSler campaign has the rule

75 characters minimum

Some of my posts are under that, and I understand I won't be paid for them, but getting SMAS blacklisted? Sometimes a bump is under 75 characters, or some games and rounds posts are under 75 characters, or I only need to write a simple word (Denied for the signature campaign I manage or lending service).

[Your Point Is Invalid]

IMHO blatantly constantly breaking signature campaign rules also warrants a place on the blacklist, even if your posts are not that bad. I have split my initial blacklist into two because of this though.

I disagree, depending on the rule. The BitSler campaign has the rule

75 characters minimum

Some of my posts are under that, and I understand I won't be paid for them, but getting SMAS blacklisted? Sometimes a bump is under 75 characters, or some games and rounds posts are under 75 characters, or I only need to write a simple word (Denied for the signature campaign I manage or lending service).

You're lucky they didnt also leave you negative trust, let them stay, there are many campaigns out there that dont use their list


SMAS logic: if you posts are short, you are a spammer 

[Casabrandy]

IMHO blatantly constantly breaking signature campaign rules also warrants a place on the blacklist, even if your posts are not that bad. I have split my initial blacklist into two because of this though.

I disagree, depending on the rule. The BitSler campaign has the rule

75 characters minimum

Some of my posts are under that, and I understand I won't be paid for them, but getting SMAS blacklisted? Sometimes a bump is under 75 characters, or some games and rounds posts are under 75 characters, or I only need to write a simple word (Denied for the signature campaign I manage or lending service).

You're lucky they didnt also leave you negative trust, let them stay, there are many campaigns out there that dont use their list


SMAS logic: if you posts are short, you are a spammer 

Quiet true, I think tipster, giveaway and bumping the thread will not be allowed on this forum if the smas rule imply. This must be a case to case basis before some user listed on SMAS black list, I think user under signature campaign already understand the fact that they will not pay if they post under 75 characters,

But i believe on SMAS that they have basis on putting user to blacklist because they are all professional. Maybe there some hiccups on rules but this will be fix soon.

[TwitchySeal]

@YPIIV- you should go back and read your posts in this thread some time.  You're not making any sense.

[Your Point Is Invalid]

@YPIIV- you should go back and read your posts in this thread some time.  You're not making any sense.

Let me clarify, SMAS is a good idea but the execution is poor