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June 02, 2017, 11:05:07 PM
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Uau! Awesome! 21,8 kg of new gold  Shocked

WHAAAAAAT new 21.8kg of new gold for hole community...yeee growing gold base

OMG you guys might soon have more Gold then a gold mine.
I wonder what happen if somoen stela your gold. I guess not much can be done except each coin is backed with less gold as before.

Hehe I guess it's hard to steal gold from Loomis AB so that should not be a problem... Smiley
Guys more than 100 kg!! Well done Smiley And now hope that we break to the 30 kg of gold in one mint soon ehheeh  Grin
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June 03, 2017, 12:39:17 AM
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Xaurum Mint XXIII

Mint market-buy: 0 BTC

Gold increased: 21868.479087452404  g
Xaurum issued: 8092484.223253239  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0009098463901215395
1 g can be melted for: 1099.0866269925164  XAUR

Total Xaurum money supply: 121796795.92259933 XAUR
 Total Xaurum gold reserves: 110816.37509854685 g


New production price: 0.2851 $


Shit just got real Cheesy

People now are now noticing Xaurum (6.03%)  increase in 24 hours so far this is the biggest I've seen I'm excited for Xaur to reach $1 in the future if those bubbles coin can,why not Xaurum it's a legit company with great goals.

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June 03, 2017, 03:11:56 AM
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Xaurum Mint XXIII

Mint market-buy: 0 BTC

Gold increased: 21868.479087452404  g
Xaurum issued: 8092484.223253239  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0009098463901215395
1 g can be melted for: 1099.0866269925164  XAUR

Total Xaurum money supply: 121796795.92259933 XAUR
 Total Xaurum gold reserves: 110816.37509854685 g


New production price: 0.2851 $

Wow....record mint!! This is great in less than 2 months gold reserve increased for 67 kg!! I have't seen better concept at it is in Xaurum!! Xaurum - Unit of value!!
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June 03, 2017, 04:54:28 AM
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Very nice mint. Nice dividend....



16% more gold behind my xaurums.
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June 03, 2017, 06:37:05 AM
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NO WORDS NEEDED!!!

http://imgur.com/a/zSNFa
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June 03, 2017, 08:21:05 AM
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Additional information about the last 13 mints:


Mint 11

Gold increased: 2745.192307692308  g
Xaurum issued: 1888230.3239786467  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.00046791763744366853
1 g can be melted for: 2137.1282464649294  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 88898709.23123255 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 41597.273995269985 g

Gold dividend total: 1902.06 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.0214g
Percent of dividend: 4.57 %


Mint 12


Gold increased: 436.54296875 g
Xaurum issued: 294726.061261338  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0004712693549322816
1 g can be melted for: 2121.928764376571  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 89192765.29249388 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 42033.816964019985 g


Gold dividend total: 298.64 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.0033 g
Percent of dividend: 0.71%


Mint 13


Gold increased: 220.3529411764706  g
Xaurum issued: 148142.26239514825 XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.00047295718474454825
1 g can be melted for: 2114.356293244844 XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 89340370.05488902 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 42254.16990519645 g

Gold dividend total: 150.54g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.0017 g
Percent of dividend: 0.36%

Mint 14


Gold increased: 699.4716981132076 g
Xaurum issued: 483982.0445031547 XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.00047819595242702895
1 g can be melted for: 2091.1929407277794 XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 89824352.09939218 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 42953.64160330964 g

Gold dividend total: 470.57g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.0052g
Percent of dividend: 1.0955 %

Mint 15


Gold increased: 214.64761904761906 g
Xaurum issued: 147190.99854036327 XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.00047980094857604975
1 g can be melted for: 2084.197630221019 XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 89971246.09793255 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 43168.28922235725 g

Gold dividend total: 144.26g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.0016 g
Percent of dividend: 0.33%

Mint 16


Gold increased: 488.0747663551402  g
Xaurum issued: 339271.41422175406  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.00048340368257873397
1 g can be melted for: 2068.6644227976603  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 90310367.01215428 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 43656.36398871239 g

Gold dividend total: 325.29g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.0036 g
Percent of dividend: 0.75%

Mint 17


Gold increased: 3643.1028037383207  g
Xaurum issued: 2515276.2074904656  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0005095521631875713
1 g can be melted for: 1962.5076140279084  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 92825563.71964474 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 47299.466792450716 g

Gold dividend total: 2427.21g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.0261 g
Percent of dividend: 5.13%

Mint 18

Gold increased: 8927.761467889915  g
Xaurum issued: 5737991.357415545  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0005704672756172883
1 g can be melted for: 1752.9489293104941  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 98563459.57706025 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 56227.22826034028 g

Gold dividend total:  6003.96 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR:  0.0609 g
Percent of dividend: 10.6%

Mint 19


Gold increased: 10160.8971962617  g
Xaurum issued: 5436349.875157679  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0006383495271585252
1 g can be melted for: 1566.5398930446202  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 103999646.952218 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 66388.12545660192 g

Gold dividend total:  7059.74 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR:  0.0679 g
Percent of dividend: 10.6 %

Mint 20


Gold increased: 14000.00000000002  g
Xaurum issued: 6299582.133486496  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0007288198894566714
1 g can be melted for: 1372.0811059993036  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 110299028.08570445
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 80388.12545660141 g


Gold dividend total:  9978.66 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.09 g
Percent of dividend: 12.4 %

Mint 21

Gold increased: 3328.680688336519  g
Xaurum issued: 1357395.746032345  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0007497726304879118
1 g can be melted for: 1333.7376683772168  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 111656257.83173683
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 83716.80614493783 g


Gold dividend total:  2339.38 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.02 g
Percent of dividend: 2.79 %

Mint 22

Gold increased: 5231.089866156785  g
Xaurum issued: 2048599.3676093058  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0007822718309861653
1 g can be melted for: 1278.3280189692596  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 113704587.69934608
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 88947.89601109446 g


Gold dividend total:  3695.11 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.03 g
Percent of dividend: 4.15 %


Mint 23

Gold increased: 21868.479087452404  g
Xaurum issued: 8092484.223253239  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0009098463901215395
1 g can be melted for: 1099.0866269925164  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 121796795.92259933 XAUR
 Total Xaurum gold reserves: 110816.37509854685 g


Gold dividend total:  15537.96 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.127 g
Percent of dividend: 14.02 %





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June 03, 2017, 08:35:48 AM
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Additional information about the last 13 mints:


Mint 11

Gold increased: 2745.192307692308  g
Xaurum issued: 1888230.3239786467  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.00046791763744366853
1 g can be melted for: 2137.1282464649294  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 88898709.23123255 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 41597.273995269985 g

Gold dividend total: 1902.06 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.0214g
Percent of dividend: 4.57 %


Mint 12


Gold increased: 436.54296875 g
Xaurum issued: 294726.061261338  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0004712693549322816
1 g can be melted for: 2121.928764376571  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 89192765.29249388 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 42033.816964019985 g


Gold dividend total: 298.64 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.0033 g
Percent of dividend: 0.71%


Mint 13


Gold increased: 220.3529411764706  g
Xaurum issued: 148142.26239514825 XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.00047295718474454825
1 g can be melted for: 2114.356293244844 XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 89340370.05488902 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 42254.16990519645 g

Gold dividend total: 150.54g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.0017 g
Percent of dividend: 0.36%

Mint 14


Gold increased: 699.4716981132076 g
Xaurum issued: 483982.0445031547 XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.00047819595242702895
1 g can be melted for: 2091.1929407277794 XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 89824352.09939218 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 42953.64160330964 g

Gold dividend total: 470.57g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.0052g
Percent of dividend: 1.0955 %

Mint 15


Gold increased: 214.64761904761906 g
Xaurum issued: 147190.99854036327 XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.00047980094857604975
1 g can be melted for: 2084.197630221019 XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 89971246.09793255 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 43168.28922235725 g

Gold dividend total: 144.26g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.0016 g
Percent of dividend: 0.33%

Mint 16


Gold increased: 488.0747663551402  g
Xaurum issued: 339271.41422175406  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.00048340368257873397
1 g can be melted for: 2068.6644227976603  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 90310367.01215428 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 43656.36398871239 g

Gold dividend total: 325.29g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.0036 g
Percent of dividend: 0.75%

Mint 17


Gold increased: 3643.1028037383207  g
Xaurum issued: 2515276.2074904656  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0005095521631875713
1 g can be melted for: 1962.5076140279084  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 92825563.71964474 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 47299.466792450716 g

Gold dividend total: 2427.21g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.0261 g
Percent of dividend: 5.13%

Mint 18

Gold increased: 8927.761467889915  g
Xaurum issued: 5737991.357415545  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0005704672756172883
1 g can be melted for: 1752.9489293104941  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 98563459.57706025 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 56227.22826034028 g

Gold dividend total:  6003.96 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR:  0.0609 g
Percent of dividend: 10.6%

Mint 19


Gold increased: 10160.8971962617  g
Xaurum issued: 5436349.875157679  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0006383495271585252
1 g can be melted for: 1566.5398930446202  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 103999646.952218 XAUR
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 66388.12545660192 g

Gold dividend total:  7059.74 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR:  0.0679 g
Percent of dividend: 10.6 %

Mint 20


Gold increased: 14000.00000000002  g
Xaurum issued: 6299582.133486496  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0007288198894566714
1 g can be melted for: 1372.0811059993036  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 110299028.08570445
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 80388.12545660141 g


Gold dividend total:  9978.66 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.09 g
Percent of dividend: 12.4 %

Mint 21

Gold increased: 3328.680688336519  g
Xaurum issued: 1357395.746032345  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0007497726304879118
1 g can be melted for: 1333.7376683772168  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 111656257.83173683
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 83716.80614493783 g


Gold dividend total:  2339.38 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.02 g
Percent of dividend: 2.79 %

Mint 22

Gold increased: 5231.089866156785  g
Xaurum issued: 2048599.3676093058  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0007822718309861653
1 g can be melted for: 1278.3280189692596  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 113704587.69934608
Total Xaurum gold reserves: 88947.89601109446 g


Gold dividend total:  3695.11 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.03 g
Percent of dividend: 4.15 %


Mint 23

Gold increased: 21868.479087452404  g
Xaurum issued: 8092484.223253239  XAUR
Xaurum Ratio: 0.0009098463901215395
1 g can be melted for: 1099.0866269925164  XAUR
Total Xaurum money supply: 121796795.92259933 XAUR
 Total Xaurum gold reserves: 110816.37509854685 g


Gold dividend total:  15537.96 g
Gold dividend per 1000 XAUR: 0.127 g
Percent of dividend: 14.02 %





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June 03, 2017, 08:42:36 AM
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Actually, I have watched Xaurum since its release, but right now I do not see any proof that it has Gold in the real world. It is Scam.
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June 03, 2017, 09:12:11 AM
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Actually, I have watched Xaurum since its release, but right now I do not see any proof that it has Gold in the real world. It is Scam.


Ahahaha the most sad attempt of the month goes to you...
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June 03, 2017, 09:18:40 AM
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Actually, I have watched Xaurum since its release, but right now I do not see any proof that it has Gold in the real world. It is Scam.

Actually, Xaurum got really your attention now and with your 2 posts till now it is more likely that you are posting negative posts just to get lower prices on exchanges and then buy Xaurums. A lot of them. Haha... Grin

Well, that is not going to happen because those who really understand the concept will NEVER sell their coin. That includes me. Grin

About 'scam' about Xaurum for new investors I post again this: Bittrex made a full compliance review before it was put on their exchange. Here is a link:
https://bittrex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/227902667-What-is-a-compliance-review-?mobile_site=true
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June 03, 2017, 10:16:20 AM
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let's buy 100 btc's of xaur

and price after 5 years will be still 10.000 satoshis =)

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June 03, 2017, 01:54:36 PM
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There is new price chart after mint 23. The only way is UP!  Smiley

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June 03, 2017, 02:06:14 PM
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There is new price chart after mint 23. The only way is UP!  Smiley


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June 03, 2017, 02:43:36 PM
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NO WORDS NEEDED!!!

http://imgur.com/a/zSNFa

That is AMAIZING. Very nice progress.
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June 03, 2017, 02:57:06 PM
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Pretty well paid from the signature, but I'm still not up to level
As much as I am interested in this signature because the backup using gold,
And nominal can be stable, the nominal possibilities will also continue to rise every year.
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June 03, 2017, 03:20:33 PM
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we need some development progress in future and functions of xaur?  maybe price prediction to year 2020?

thank you


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June 03, 2017, 05:16:29 PM
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Hello, I am a new investor to Xaurum. I could not decide whether to invest in it at first but I realized that the concept is quite revolutionary.
That being said it wasn't that simple to come to this conclusion due to the following issues which I think you should fix/add.
1. This website link is broken http://auresco.aurumproject.io/ (which gives investors the feeling that the developers for the project have abandoned it) Along with the website broken so are other things in the menu such as the goldmine link.
2. I'm not saying the main page does a bad job in explaining things I am just saying that the wording is not very good, for example in the main page it says "Good Delivery" refineries, which doesn't sound very professional, (not sure if it was a translation issue) it should be changed to something like "Certified Refineries" and have a link that can be clicked on which leads to a page which explains what this exactly means, allowing for more investor confidence.
3. Press links should be updated, last doesn't really work it seems broken.
4. The xaurum.org/allies page doesn't really contain any useful information.
5. There are two twitter pages, for Xaurum @urumproject and @XaurumOfficial which one is it going to be? I say delete @urumproject, if you don't own the page ask for it to be taken down to the owner/twitter
6. Overall use more professional wording in twitter and other social media, this assures investor confidence specifically in English speaking countries which are some that contain the most $$$ . Not just professional wording but also punctuation, don't include "!!!" in posts, simply just one is fine!
7. Maybe have an about us page so we have faces to look at and trust? Or scratch that, just a page with the usernames of the developers.
8. An accounting page where it shows us how much the Xaurum developers spend on other things apart from Gold, since there are business trips and offices, which are capital intensive, as investors I think we deserve to know this, I am not against developers spending money to promote the project but I would like to know how much of this is spent. Also a page with the dates of Minting events and the minting results, because this in my experience I could not find anywhere only on social media and bitcointalk, it shouldn't even have to be on Xaurum.org it could be on the auresco website.
9. Offer more advances statistics, for example graphs that show burning of xaurum and things like that. The proof of burn address would be excellent!
10. Overall good job in branding just fix some of the issues I noted, go through your website, check everything is in line, hire an English teacher (pay him and put this in the accounting page) , it will be an excellent investment which will take us to the moon! I have no doubt about it. P.S please don't take this comment as trash talk but rather as constructive criticism that is only for the better of this project!  Wink
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June 03, 2017, 05:21:48 PM
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so basically the concept is: instead of going thru trouble buying and paying for storing GOLD yourself.. you buy XAUR tokens and have safe and convenient way to store and redeem GOLD plus you get GOLD dividends by just holding.. does this mean XAUR token gets more valuable with time? did i get this concept right??

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June 03, 2017, 07:49:58 PM
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Hello, I am a new investor to Xaurum. I could not decide whether to invest in it at first but I realized that the concept is quite revolutionary.
That being said it wasn't that simple to come to this conclusion due to the following issues which I think you should fix/add.
1. This website link is broken http://auresco.aurumproject.io/ (which gives investors the feeling that the developers for the project have abandoned it) Along with the website broken so are other things in the menu such as the goldmine link.
2. I'm not saying the main page does a bad job in explaining things I am just saying that the wording is not very good, for example in the main page it says "Good Delivery" refineries, which doesn't sound very professional, (not sure if it was a translation issue) it should be changed to something like "Certified Refineries" and have a link that can be clicked on which leads to a page which explains what this exactly means, allowing for more investor confidence.
3. Press links should be updated, last doesn't really work it seems broken.
4. The xaurum.org/allies page doesn't really contain any useful information.
5. There are two twitter pages, for Xaurum @urumproject and @XaurumOfficial which one is it going to be? I say delete @urumproject, if you don't own the page ask for it to be taken down to the owner/twitter
6. Overall use more professional wording in twitter and other social media, this assures investor confidence specifically in English speaking countries which are some that contain the most $$$ . Not just professional wording but also punctuation, don't include "!!!" in posts, simply just one is fine!
7. Maybe have an about us page so we have faces to look at and trust? Or scratch that, just a page with the usernames of the developers.
8. An accounting page where it shows us how much the Xaurum developers spend on other things apart from Gold, since there are business trips and offices, which are capital intensive, as investors I think we deserve to know this, I am not against developers spending money to promote the project but I would like to know how much of this is spent. Also a page with the dates of Minting events and the minting results, because this in my experience I could not find anywhere only on social media and bitcointalk, it shouldn't even have to be on Xaurum.org it could be on the auresco website.
9. Offer more advances statistics, for example graphs that show burning of xaurum and things like that. The proof of burn address would be excellent!
10. Overall good job in branding just fix some of the issues I noted, go through your website, check everything is in line, hire an English teacher (pay him and put this in the accounting page) , it will be an excellent investment which will take us to the moon! I have no doubt about it. P.S please don't take this comment as trash talk but rather as constructive criticism that is only for the better of this project!  Wink

One remark about point 2
"Good Delivery" means a LBMA Good delivery list and it is not a bad translation  http://www.lbma.org.uk/the-good-delivery-list 
Supplier of gold is the Turkish corporation Nadir Metal Refinery which you can find on this list
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June 03, 2017, 10:38:30 PM
Last edit: June 03, 2017, 11:50:57 PM by mprep
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so basically the concept is: instead of going thru trouble buying and paying for storing GOLD yourself.. you buy XAUR tokens and have safe and convenient way to store and redeem GOLD plus you get GOLD dividends by just holding.. does this mean XAUR token gets more valuable with time? did i get this concept right??
You are 100% correct, the value of Xaurum increases over time as the commonwealth increases, other cryptocurrencies do not have any base value whatsoever, Xaurum is unique in this sense. And with Xaurum you can be confident it will always be worth its weight in gold according to the gold/Xaurum history info found in xaurum.org.



Hello, I am a new investor to Xaurum. I could not decide whether to invest in it at first but I realized that the concept is quite revolutionary.
That being said it wasn't that simple to come to this conclusion due to the following issues which I think you should fix/add.
1. This website link is broken http://auresco.aurumproject.io/ (which gives investors the feeling that the developers for the project have abandoned it) Along with the website broken so are other things in the menu such as the goldmine link.
2. I'm not saying the main page does a bad job in explaining things I am just saying that the wording is not very good, for example in the main page it says "Good Delivery" refineries, which doesn't sound very professional, (not sure if it was a translation issue) it should be changed to something like "Certified Refineries" and have a link that can be clicked on which leads to a page which explains what this exactly means, allowing for more investor confidence.
3. Press links should be updated, last doesn't really work it seems broken.
4. The xaurum.org/allies page doesn't really contain any useful information.
5. There are two twitter pages, for Xaurum @urumproject and @XaurumOfficial which one is it going to be? I say delete @urumproject, if you don't own the page ask for it to be taken down to the owner/twitter
6. Overall use more professional wording in twitter and other social media, this assures investor confidence specifically in English speaking countries which are some that contain the most $$$ . Not just professional wording but also punctuation, don't include "!!!" in posts, simply just one is fine!
7. Maybe have an about us page so we have faces to look at and trust? Or scratch that, just a page with the usernames of the developers.
8. An accounting page where it shows us how much the Xaurum developers spend on other things apart from Gold, since there are business trips and offices, which are capital intensive, as investors I think we deserve to know this, I am not against developers spending money to promote the project but I would like to know how much of this is spent. Also a page with the dates of Minting events and the minting results, because this in my experience I could not find anywhere only on social media and bitcointalk, it shouldn't even have to be on Xaurum.org it could be on the auresco website.
9. Offer more advances statistics, for example graphs that show burning of xaurum and things like that. The proof of burn address would be excellent!
10. Overall good job in branding just fix some of the issues I noted, go through your website, check everything is in line, hire an English teacher (pay him and put this in the accounting page) , it will be an excellent investment which will take us to the moon! I have no doubt about it. P.S please don't take this comment as trash talk but rather as constructive criticism that is only for the better of this project!  Wink

One remark about point 2
"Good Delivery" means a LBMA Good delivery list and it is not a bad translation  http://www.lbma.org.uk/the-good-delivery-list 
Supplier of gold is the Turkish corporation Nadir Metal Refinery which you can find on this list

Then the statement "Good Delivery" should have a link to a page where it explains exactly this which you are stating. Very simple, only advanced users as yourself would know this. But remember, we want the average man to be able to use this crypto currency and have immediate confidence upon first glance, we only have one shot to not screw up first impressions from new visitors!
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