[Beware] TwitchySeal: Abuses his Rep, replies to his own posts with alts, etc

[TwitchySeal]

Even though words have many meanings, the antonym of "maximum" is not "free"

When I posted in the forums or played any "Betcoin only" tournaments my name was OHYEAH.
For all WPN tournaments, my name was twitchyseal.

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[thesame12]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesaurus.com%2Fbrowse%2Fmaximum, now was that so hard(first link on the page)? Edit: note to self: links don't work on lmgtfy.

[cjmoles]

Even though words have many meanings, the antonym of "maximum" is not "free"

When I posted in the forums or played any "Betcoin only" tournaments my name was OHYEAH.
For all WPN tournaments, my name was twitchyseal.

1)  Well, I think we pinpointed the problem. There's a language bearer! Most people educated in the United States wouldn't have a problem comprehending that "maximum price" and "free" are polar opposites and they wouldn't need to go to a thesaurus to figure that one out.

2)  Now it goes from, "I opened multiple accounts to spam chat" (paraphrased) to "okay, maybe I did play under a couple different accounts" (paraphrased). But, you admittedly had "tons of accounts," so when does it end? You were banned for opening multiple accounts to spam chat and now you're butthurt and want to point out every truncation discrepancy, semantic variation, and chat dialogue behavior as  possible to prove that Betcoin.ag did you wrong. And, yes, maybe you were treated disdainfully, but part of that is your own fault. The point is that Betcoin.ag is very generous and they're not trying to steal people's money; they give a lot....Maybe they do treat trolls badly, but they don't have time to deal with them because they have a very demanding business to maintain.

[actmyname]

The point is that Betcoin.ag is very generous and they're not trying to steal people's money; they give a lot....

Our findings are very clear that two players are colluding, soft playing and cheating other players. We will always protect the integrity of our poker room and have the best possible environment for our players. Their accounts have been banned and even though neither player has ever made a deposit we are allowing them to keep a small portion of the funds.

We will not tolerate any collusion or cheating at Betcoin Poker and we want you to know that every accusation is taken seriously. We will keep this a safe place to play and work day and night to achieve that.

After several emails with this player and banning the other accounts associated, we have let him play under a strict watchful eye. We believe in second chances at Betcoin and we are watching him and many other players very closely.

Source: Collusion, Soft Play, Cheating - ZERO TOLERANCE at Betcoin Poker | Betcoin.ag

It's a little concerning that you don't appear to have replied to any of his posts here. He seems to be raising valid concerns, but you leave them unanswered.

Did you really use 10 BTC confiscated from cheating players to fund a promotion instead of giving them back to the players they were stolen from? If so, how do you justify that?

Did you really allow those same cheating players to them play in the freeroll funded with the money they stole, after claiming to have zero tolerance for cheating? That sounds pretty crazy if it's true.

Hi Dooglus, it's because we did return most of the btc and we still ran a 10 btc freeroll to thank players for their support on top of returning funds.  This was many months ago and was handled expediently.  Ironically, most of the players were from a prop program which we no longer have, yet most of the players still play in.  

No we did not allow those players to play in the tournament but as you may know a bitcoin gaming website creates some unique challenges which we embrace.  

We have addressed all of this before and will happily address it again as we continue to move forward.  

Thanks guys!

Jessica

Betcoin Poker Return of Overcharged Rake or Daily Coin Ticket

After an extensive review, Betcoin Poker has been able to pinpoint rake overcharges and is offering refund or daily coin ticket until June 3, 2016.

https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-return-overcharged-rake-or-daily-coin-ticket

After an extensive review and research, Betcoin Poker was able to pinpoint the programming error that caused the rake overcharges from 10/30/15-12/9/15 and is providing refunds to players or a Daily Coin Ticket based on the following criteria. If a player played at Betcoin Poker using the 100% rakeback promo, the player will technically owe funds to Betcoin. Instead of taking these funds from the player account, the player can create a ticket requesting a Daily Coin Ticket in lieu of the account review.

Each player requesting a refund of the overcharged rake must create a ticket here: www.betcoin.ag/support. The review of the player account will take up to 10 business days to complete. If the player owes Betcoin funds, the player's account will be deducted those funds, however if the player chooses to accept a ticket in lieu of a review, the player will be awarded the ticket.

"they give a lot...."

Interesting. Would you care to explain the actions of Betcoin in these scenarios, with them allowing cheaters to keep funds they got through cheating, play in a "no collusion" freeroll, and overcharging rake?

They have zero tolerance but then still unban da_killa, who was a colluder? (Also, ignoring all the questions that follow in the thread, for literal MONTHS)

1)  Well, I think we pinpointed the problem. There's a language bearer! Most people educated in the United States wouldn't have a problem comprehending that "maximum price" and "free" are polar opposites and they wouldn't need to go to a thesaurus to figure that one out.

So then I suppose that likewise the antonym of "priced" is "minimum price", am I right?

[cjmoles]

The point is that Betcoin.ag is very generous and they're not trying to steal people's money; they give a lot....

Our findings are very clear that two players are colluding, soft playing and cheating other players. We will always protect the integrity of our poker room and have the best possible environment for our players. Their accounts have been banned and even though neither player has ever made a deposit we are allowing them to keep a small portion of the funds.

We will not tolerate any collusion or cheating at Betcoin Poker and we want you to know that every accusation is taken seriously. We will keep this a safe place to play and work day and night to achieve that.

After several emails with this player and banning the other accounts associated, we have let him play under a strict watchful eye. We believe in second chances at Betcoin and we are watching him and many other players very closely.

Source: Collusion, Soft Play, Cheating - ZERO TOLERANCE at Betcoin Poker | Betcoin.ag

It's a little concerning that you don't appear to have replied to any of his posts here. He seems to be raising valid concerns, but you leave them unanswered.

Did you really use 10 BTC confiscated from cheating players to fund a promotion instead of giving them back to the players they were stolen from? If so, how do you justify that?

Did you really allow those same cheating players to them play in the freeroll funded with the money they stole, after claiming to have zero tolerance for cheating? That sounds pretty crazy if it's true.

Hi Dooglus, it's because we did return most of the btc and we still ran a 10 btc freeroll to thank players for their support on top of returning funds.  This was many months ago and was handled expediently.  Ironically, most of the players were from a prop program which we no longer have, yet most of the players still play in.  

No we did not allow those players to play in the tournament but as you may know a bitcoin gaming website creates some unique challenges which we embrace.  

We have addressed all of this before and will happily address it again as we continue to move forward.  

Thanks guys!

Jessica

Betcoin Poker Return of Overcharged Rake or Daily Coin Ticket

After an extensive review, Betcoin Poker has been able to pinpoint rake overcharges and is offering refund or daily coin ticket until June 3, 2016.

https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-return-overcharged-rake-or-daily-coin-ticket

After an extensive review and research, Betcoin Poker was able to pinpoint the programming error that caused the rake overcharges from 10/30/15-12/9/15 and is providing refunds to players or a Daily Coin Ticket based on the following criteria. If a player played at Betcoin Poker using the 100% rakeback promo, the player will technically owe funds to Betcoin. Instead of taking these funds from the player account, the player can create a ticket requesting a Daily Coin Ticket in lieu of the account review.

Each player requesting a refund of the overcharged rake must create a ticket here: www.betcoin.ag/support. The review of the player account will take up to 10 business days to complete. If the player owes Betcoin funds, the player's account will be deducted those funds, however if the player chooses to accept a ticket in lieu of a review, the player will be awarded the ticket.

"they give a lot...."

Interesting. Would you care to explain the actions of Betcoin in these scenarios, with them allowing cheaters to keep funds they got through cheating, play in a "no collusion" freeroll, and overcharging rake?

They have zero tolerance but then still unban da_killa, who was a colluder? (Also, ignoring all the questions that follow in the thread, for literal MONTHS)

1)  Well, I think we pinpointed the problem. There's a language bearer! Most people educated in the United States wouldn't have a problem comprehending that "maximum price" and "free" are polar opposites and they wouldn't need to go to a thesaurus to figure that one out.

So then I suppose that likewise the antonym of "priced" is "minimum price", am I right?

No. There's a thread for this stuff and it has been gone over too many times.  Players were compensated, the true multi-accounters were removed, and Betcoin gave a great deal away out of their own pocket during that period.

And, no, people educated in the United States would not conclude that "priced" is the opposite of "minimum price;" however, they would understand the differences between "maximum price" and "free" because those are important terms to recognize in a capitalist economy.  It might be different in an economy based on socialism where "maximum price" and "free" have the same meaning; therefore, there's the language bearer that lead to this misunderstanding.

[TwitchySeal]

2)  Now it goes from, "I opened multiple accounts to spam chat" (paraphrased) to "okay, maybe I did play under a couple different accounts" (paraphrased). But, you admittedly had "tons of accounts," so when does it end? You were banned for opening multiple accounts to spam chat and now you're butthurt and want to point out every truncation discrepancy, semantic variation, and chat dialogue behavior as  possible to prove that Betcoin.ag did you wrong. And, yes, maybe you were treated disdainfully, but part of that is your own fault. The point is that Betcoin.ag is very generous and they're not trying to steal people's money; they give a lot....Maybe they do treat trolls badly, but they don't have time to deal with them because they have a very demanding business to maintain.

cjmoles cut the bullshit.  I am not a cheater, I have only ever played on Betcoin under one account.

Account login and WPN sn = Twitchyseal
Betcoin chat/forum/Betcoin only poker games =OHYEAH

Every betcoin only tournament or cash game I have ever played in my life has been under OHYEAH
Every WPN tournament I've played on Betcoins skin has been under twitchyseal (and it;s been almost a year since my last tracked WPN mtt on betcoin)

Both OHYEAH and twitchyseal are under THE SAME BETCOIN ACCOUNT

Similarly, Both cjmtoo and cjmoles are under THE SAME BETCOIN ACCOUNT



Keep making shit up and I'll keep proving you wrong.  

[cjmoles]

2)  Now it goes from, "I opened multiple accounts to spam chat" (paraphrased) to "okay, maybe I did play under a couple different accounts" (paraphrased). But, you admittedly had "tons of accounts," so when does it end? You were banned for opening multiple accounts to spam chat and now you're butthurt and want to point out every truncation discrepancy, semantic variation, and chat dialogue behavior as  possible to prove that Betcoin.ag did you wrong. And, yes, maybe you were treated disdainfully, but part of that is your own fault. The point is that Betcoin.ag is very generous and they're not trying to steal people's money; they give a lot....Maybe they do treat trolls badly, but they don't have time to deal with them because they have a very demanding business to maintain.

cjmoles cut the bullshit.  I am not a cheater, I have only ever played on Betcoin under one account.

Account login and WPN sn = Twitchyseal
Betcoin chat/forum/Betcoin only poker games =OHYEAH

Every betcoin only tournament or cash game I have ever played in my life has been under OHYEAH
Every WPN tournament I've played on Betcoins skin has been under twitchyseal (and it;s been almost a year since my last tracked WPN mtt on betcoin)

Both OHYEAH and twitchyseal are under THE SAME BETCOIN ACCOUNT

Similarly, Both cjmtoo and cjmoles are under THE SAME BETCOIN ACCOUNT



Keep making shit up and I'll keep proving you wrong.  

Why you posting my login?  And, you're a liar....login names do not appear on the tables.  That's why my screenshots demonstrate that me, cjmToo, is the same person in both the WPN tournament playing against twitchseal, and the betcoin.ag tournament playing against OHYEAH....One account, one tablename....not one account two tablesnames for different tournament schedules.  You might be able to lie to those who don't know the difference but those who do know the difference between login name and table name already know that you're liar and cheat.

[TwitchySeal]

I have no doubt that you already knew this:




https://www.betcoin.ag/support/why-do-i-have-two-different-usernames

[cjmoles]

I have no doubt that you already knew this:




https://www.betcoin.ag/support/why-do-i-have-two-different-usernames

Twitchy, your misinformation techniques aren't going to work for those who know better.  That article is referring to login name and table name....you login into your account with your login name and you play at the tables with your player name....there is no option available to play under a different name in different tournaments unless you open multiple accounts.  My screenshots demonstrate that I am cjmToo in the WPN tournaments AND I am cjmToo in the Betcoin.ag tournaments while you are twitchyseal on one and OHYEAH on the other (those are just two of the "tons of accounts" you control).  <---The only way that you can have two different table names on the same WPN skin is if you have multiple accounts.  Sooner or later somebody is going to be intelligent enough to see thru all of your lies. Do you even care?

[TwitchySeal]

That article is referring to login name and table name....you login into your account with your login name and you play at the tables with your player name....there is no option available to play under a different name in different tournaments

Oh Really?

BetcoinPoker.com has two types of tournaments:

1. Betcoin only tournaments which are in mbtc
2. Shared tournaments with the WPN which are in USD

When you create an account on BetcoinPoker.com, it is a unique account in the BetcoinPoker.com database, however when you play shared tourneys you will need to create another username

- https://www.betcoin.ag/support/why-do-i-have-two-different-usernames

(for the record, I'm fully aware of what cjmoles is doing here)

[cjmoles]

That article is referring to login name and table name....you login into your account with your login name and you play at the tables with your player name....there is no option available to play under a different name in different tournaments

Oh Really?

BetcoinPoker.com has two types of tournaments:

1. Betcoin only tournaments which are in mbtc
2. Shared tournaments with the WPN which are in USD

When you create an account on BetcoinPoker.com, it is a unique account in the BetcoinPoker.com database, however when you play shared tourneys you will need to create another username

- https://www.betcoin.ag/support/why-do-i-have-two-different-usernames

(for the record, I'm fully aware of what cjmoles is doing here)

Yes, really.  You're manipulating the truth again. All one has to do is login and try to change their table name in the different tournaments and they can see for themselves.  One logins to their Betcoin.ag account with their user name and then they play at the tables with their player name. Also, if one were to look at my screenshots, they could see that I am cjmToo in both venues while you are twitchyseal in one and OHYEAH in the other.  Why am I not represented by my login name and my player name in the two different venues, like you, if your information is truthful?

(for the record: exposing dishonesty)

[TwitchySeal]

Wrong cjmoles.

BetcoinPoker.com has two types of tournaments:

1. Betcoin only tournaments which are in mbtc <---I was OHYEAH in these tournaments
2. Shared tournaments with the WPN which are in USD <---I was twitchyseal in these tournaments.

This is no secret that my screen name was OHYEAH and also twitchyseal.

Here's an example of another player with one user name for Betcoin only tournaments/cash games and a completely different one for WPN tournaments:

Watch Betcoin Poker's isnortbooze Win 8.1 BTC in the 25 BTC GTD in his Betcoin Gear!

Betcoin Poker's isnortbooze / smssm (WPN table name) continues his impressive in the money finishes winning 8.1 BTC in the 25 BTC GTD and has provided the full stream of the final table!

This players Betcoin user name is "isnortbooze"

When he plays Betcoin only tournaments or betcoin only cash games (like the daily coin or 1mBTC/2mBTC NLHE) he appears as "isnortbooze"

However, when he plays WPN tournaments on Betcoin, his appears as "smssm" (that's why they call is his "WPN table name")

His betcoin username is isnortbooze
His WPN table name is smssm

My Betcoin Username is OHYEAH
My WPN table name is twitchyseal

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I've read this thread, but it must be my ADD that's causing me to lose track of WTF is going on.

Can a dispassionate, disinterested, independent, objective 3rd party give us a TL;DR version of this thread?

Mucho obligato.

Edit:  Thanks for the tl;dr via PM by actmyname.  I still don't understand the antonym argument here (freeroll, max price--I'm a native English speaker), but I'm not much into the dice sites. 

[game-protect]

Words have more than one definition and they also have more than one antonym.

The antonym of "max bet" is "min bet"

 "Free" when used in the monetary sense, as in "freespin" means not costly, minimum fee, or zero wager.  "Maximum" when used in the monetary sense, as in "maxbet spin," means most costly, maximum fee, or absolute wager.

To be able to win a "max bet", requires to bet money. And in most cases, it was costly until someone won several "max bets"!

Maybe you missed the theme, but we speak in the gaming sense and not in the monetary sense.  

The only juridical relevant part in regards to Jasonort's jackpot win is:

5 jackpot symbols on "max bet" wins the JACKPOT!

And this totally independant of whether the "max bets" were won or paid directly.


Only someone directly from Betcoin would persistently repead his non sensical lies!

No. There's a thread for this stuff and it has been gone over too many times.  Players were compensated, the true multi-accounters were removed, and Betcoin gave a great deal away out of their own pocket during that period.

This statement confirms what I have already assumed, you are a part of Betcoin! Only Betcoin management knows what is paid with what. Customers have no insight to accounting...  

[cjmoles]

Wrong cjmoles.

BetcoinPoker.com has two types of tournaments:

1. Betcoin only tournaments which are in mbtc <---I was OHYEAH in these tournaments
2. Shared tournaments with the WPN which are in USD <---I was twitchyseal in these tournaments.

This is no secret that my screen name was OHYEAH and also twitchyseal.

Here's an example of another player with one user name for Betcoin only tournaments/cash games and a completely different one for WPN tournaments:

Watch Betcoin Poker's isnortbooze Win 8.1 BTC in the 25 BTC GTD in his Betcoin Gear!

Betcoin Poker's isnortbooze / smssm (WPN table name) continues his impressive in the money finishes winning 8.1 BTC in the 25 BTC GTD and has provided the full stream of the final table!

This players Betcoin user name is "isnortbooze"

When he plays Betcoin only tournaments or betcoin only cash games (like the daily coin or 1mBTC/2mBTC NLHE) he appears as "isnortbooze"

However, when he plays WPN tournaments on Betcoin, his appears as "smssm" (that's why they call is his "WPN table name")

His betcoin username is isnortbooze
His WPN table name is smssm

My Betcoin Username is OHYEAH
My WPN table name is twitchyseal

Why doesn't anybody else have that option?  Why do I have the same table name in both sets of tournaments?  You can see in the screenshots of our games that I am cjmToo in both venues while you have a different name in each tournament. The option to choose isn't even available in my client....I sign in under my user name cjmoles and my table name, cjmToo, applies itself to both sets of tournaments automatically....there is no option to choose between them.  How do you do it?

[TwitchySeal]

Wrong cjmoles.

BetcoinPoker.com has two types of tournaments:

1. Betcoin only tournaments which are in mbtc <---I was OHYEAH in these tournaments
2. Shared tournaments with the WPN which are in USD <---I was twitchyseal in these tournaments.

This is no secret that my screen name was OHYEAH and also twitchyseal.

Here's an example of another player with one user name for Betcoin only tournaments/cash games and a completely different one for WPN tournaments:

Watch Betcoin Poker's isnortbooze Win 8.1 BTC in the 25 BTC GTD in his Betcoin Gear!

Betcoin Poker's isnortbooze / smssm (WPN table name) continues his impressive in the money finishes winning 8.1 BTC in the 25 BTC GTD and has provided the full stream of the final table!

This players Betcoin user name is "isnortbooze"

When he plays Betcoin only tournaments or betcoin only cash games (like the daily coin or 1mBTC/2mBTC NLHE) he appears as "isnortbooze"

However, when he plays WPN tournaments on Betcoin, his appears as "smssm" (that's why they call is his "WPN table name")

His betcoin username is isnortbooze
His WPN table name is smssm

My Betcoin Username is OHYEAH
My WPN table name is twitchyseal

Why doesn't anybody else have that option?  Why do I have the same table name in both sets of tournaments?  You can see in the screenshots of our games that I am cjmToo in both venues while you have a different name in each tournament. The option to choose isn't even available in my client....I sign in under my user name cjmoles and my table name, cjmToo, applies itself to both sets of tournaments automatically....there is no option to choose between them.  How do you do it?

I don't know why your account is set up the way it is, but I do know I'm not the only one with separate Betcoin and WPN table names.

Why don't you open a ticket?

https://www.betcoin.ag/why-do-i-have-two-different-screen-names

screenshot of player with seperate Betcoin Only and WPN TableNames

http://www.betcoin.ag/files/betcoin/images/Untitled_0.jpg

[TwitchySeal]

Summary of this thread so far:

Note: OP is a Betcoin affiliate.  He started this thread over two years ago and basically just spams the same crap as Betcoin does in their thread.
He markets to poker players specifically since he has (had?) a special deal with Betcoin that allowed him to return a bigger % of the fees paid directly to his sign ups. 
He tries to convince people he does this because he cares about the future of poker and tries to appear as a valuable asset to the poker and bitcoin community.  When it's time to stand up for the players though, he finds any excuse possible to continue saying nice things about Betcoin and why everyone should sign up for his incredible "rakeback program".
He gets very angry when I respond to his spam with information that players should be aware of before they sign up.
He also gets very angry when I explain to other people that the reason he's doing this is because of his fat commision on sportsbets and casino play on all those 400+ signups (including players that already made one account and switched for the rakeback)

POST #1 (Originally in Scam Accusations):

Xiaoxiao quotes a bunch of randoms praising his "rakeback service" and talking shit about me.  Makes false accusations of my alt accounts and my favorite part:

PS: There's a lot more cases in the past where Twitchy had been adamant that he's correct and it turned out that his assumption was wrong.

POST #2-#23

A few people stick up for me or ask questions (like who did Twitchy Scam?).  OP attacks them or accuses them of being me.

I ask for explanation on how I "abuse my own rep"

POST #24-35

cjmoles and a few other Betcoin sig campaign members answer their call to duty.

I agree with the op.  Twitchyseal also photoshops inaccurate information over accurate information, takes things out of context, and  is a notorious multi-accounter.  I haven't spoken up sooner because I believed the poor guy was just mentally ill, but I now suspect he's a paid shill working for competitive casinos.  I can't prove my suspicions, but the evidence is accumulating.

Known multi-accounter, liar, DDOS'er, shill, and troll.  Absolutely avoid playing in any poker rooms this player frequents.  Also known to lose all his money on the tables then return to make baseless accusations.  Affiliates and vouches for an advertised thief

Fresh accusation that I am somehow involved with crypto-games and attempting to attack any competition....

This was never about jasonnort, if it was, he would be here making claims, and not a bunch of cryptogames staff using his solved case to try to get rid of their competition.

POST #35 - #80

Off topic debate over Jasonort jackpot begins between cjmoles (who goes into full retard mode) and every else.

OP Returns to thread to make new accusation:

Let's talk about something relevant, that Twitchy is the prime suspect for the constant DDOS at Betcoin

I explain the reason I am a suspect is because Betcoin staff lied about me in this post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15743071#msg15743071
By quoting obviously faked skype logs that were posted on their forum here:
https://www.betcoin.ag/twitchyseal-back-it-again-offering-me-help-trash-betcoin-proof-below

Xiao admits he accused me of ddos attack out of frustration.

I ask him what he thinks of Betcoin lying.

 I didn't read most of what you wrote.

POST #81-97

Cjmoles posts evidence that my Betcoin username was "OHYEAH" and my screen name on WPN only tables was "twitchyseal"

He tries to convince people that this is proof I was cheating.

I explain and prove that on Betcoin, some players have one name at Betcoin only poker tables and another name at WPN Shared tournaments.  He ignores the obvious truth.

Yes, really.  You're manipulating the truth again.

The only way that you can have two different table names on the same WPN skin is if you have multiple accounts.  Sooner or later somebody is going to be intelligent enough to see thru all of your lies. Do you even care?

One account, one tablename....not one account two tablesnames for different tournament schedules.  You might be able to lie to those who don't know the difference but those who do know the difference between login name and table name already know that you're liar and cheat.

Now it goes from, "I opened multiple accounts to spam chat" (paraphrased) to "okay, maybe I did play under a couple different accounts" (paraphrased).

[game-protect]

The only way that you can have two different table names on the same WPN skin is if you have multiple accounts.  Sooner or later somebody is going to be intelligent enough to see thru all of your lies. Do you even care?

This is the case for WPN skins, but Betcoin is no WPN skin/partner. They have some kind of a special status.

Here are the WPN partners:

Americas Cardroom, True Poker, BetCris Poker, YaPoker, BetDSI, Black Chip Poker, BookMaker, Poker Host.

[Xiaoxiao]

Some announcements and things worth noting:


-Table Starter Rakeback doesn't exist anymore.  There is no timetable for it to return.  

-Betcoin Sports Book does not offer 2-10% better odds than most sports books.  That's ridiculous.

-Xiao does not offer 58%-133% rake back or have hundreds of "rake-back pros" He also doesn't do this out of the goodness of his heart.  He does it for the Casino/Sports revenue.  (nothing wrong with that, except lying about it)


-And as always, check out BetcoinRakeback.com!

When are YOU going to stop lying?  No one has time to butt heads with you.  Why is it just you and your alternate/internet goons polluting my thread?

Yeah, look at their odds in comparison to other sportsbooks.  You're an unbelievable troll.

I'm not lying.

I don't have alternate or internet goons.

I have looked at their odds in comparison to other books, occasionally you'll find better line there.  Unless you're being intentionally ambiguous when you say "Betcoin offers nearly 2-10% better odds than most sports books!", maybe there's a misunderstanding.  Are you returning any of your affiliate commission to players for their sports bets?  I wasn't calculating that, if so.  Since you said yourself you don't rely on sports or casino commission from players (I admit, I don't believe you, but I'll play along) maybe if you started returning 100% of your sports and casino commission to every poker player you would benefit overall.  I'm sure the players would appreciate it anyway.

600+ players on my rakeback program and only you are trolling me.  I wonder why... and you're not even a player under me.  Get lost.

Betcoin is a cancer to the poker and bitcoin communities.  

Stop promoting them and I'll stop annoying you.  

More attacks, lies, trolling, making false claims to back up his stance, etc by Twitchy.

[TwitchySeal]

Some announcements and things worth noting:


-Table Starter Rakeback doesn't exist anymore.  There is no timetable for it to return.  

-Betcoin Sports Book does not offer 2-10% better odds than most sports books.  That's ridiculous.

-Xiao does not offer 58%-133% rake back or have hundreds of "rake-back pros" He also doesn't do this out of the goodness of his heart.  He does it for the Casino/Sports revenue.  (nothing wrong with that, except lying about it)


-And as always, check out BetcoinRakeback.com!

When are YOU going to stop lying?  No one has time to butt heads with you.  Why is it just you and your alternate/internet goons polluting my thread?

Yeah, look at their odds in comparison to other sportsbooks.  You're an unbelievable troll.

I'm not lying.

I don't have alternate or internet goons.

I have looked at their odds in comparison to other books, occasionally you'll find better line there.  Unless you're being intentionally ambiguous when you say "Betcoin offers nearly 2-10% better odds than most sports books!", maybe there's a misunderstanding.  Are you returning any of your affiliate commission to players for their sports bets?  I wasn't calculating that, if so.  Since you said yourself you don't rely on sports or casino commission from players (I admit, I don't believe you, but I'll play along) maybe if you started returning 100% of your sports and casino commission to every poker player you would benefit overall.  I'm sure the players would appreciate it anyway.

600+ players on my rakeback program and only you are trolling me.  I wonder why... and you're not even a player under me.  Get lost.

Betcoin is a cancer to the poker and bitcoin communities.  

Stop promoting them and I'll stop annoying you.  

More attacks, lies, trolling, making false claims to back up his stance, etc by Twitchy.

I have not lied about anything. Do some research and then thank me for the update and remember to trust me next time.

600+ players have signed up under your affiliate.

over 200,000 accounts on betcoin.  Big numbers, huh?

Yet for some reason they have to give away the tickets to get 20 players in their nightly feature tournament - and even then it often misses the guarantee...

For some reason they are averaging less than 25k hands a day total....that's for all tourneys and cash games, including freerolls and microstakes...pretty pathetic.

What happened to your 600+ signups xiao?  Perhaps they...left?  Perhaps because they are treated like shit and lied to?  

I'm just trying to save people the trouble and also try and salvage what's left of Bitcoin Pokers reputation for the day someone capable is ready to get an honest site up and running.

What does it say about Betcoin when you look at their profile?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=202115

Doesn't seem like the same site that you promote in your thread , huh?