VLT | Veltor | Donar Network | Minimalism.

[Viper1]

The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

How would that affect your perception of the situation? Of our decision?

This is our vision for the project.

I hope we will regain at least some of the trust that some of the investors have lost due to a lack of communication on our side.

Thank you everyone for all the time you put in to share your frustrations, and a special thank you for all the kind and supportive private messages.

You've lost the trust and are getting slammed because of screwing people over with the whole 5% thing, not because of "communications".

Until I can see an actual white paper etc I certainly won't have any comment on the "vision". I suspect I know what I'm going to see in it which I believe will mean the coin won't be "decentralized" and will have a variety of attack vectors unaddressed. I would be pleasantly surprised if that wasn't the case but given the ICO parameters I suspect I'm correct.

I'm a technical person looking for something that solves crypto problems/flaws (the "perfect" crypto coin) as opposed to some coin who's purpose is just to make people money. Frankly, I'd love to find something I could actually get involved with but that is proving to be extremely elusive.

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[OrsonJ]

You're very naive now if you think you can bait and switch with 5% only. That is verging on just foolish I'm afraid.
Some scams can get away with a dirty past if they are huge already before full pressure is applied.
Sadly this one is hardly off of the ground and will be swatted down and crushed before it takes deep root.

I mean 50% is even a total bait and switch but livable if the white paper is outstanding.
25% you would have the odd supporter
5%= paid shills only to support this move and a bunch of scammed investors looking for revenge.

Rethink it now before digging yourself into a corner from which you can not get out of.

I would suggest now this second coming up with a far better offer.

I would also suggest noting down the usernames here of all that are giving this 5% offer the time of day and not calling it out for the scam move it is

I would note them down in a list because they are obviously shills and puppet accounts. Then review their post history and see what you can find out.

+1

It's clear that you're effectively killing your chances of a successful future funding drive.

The team continues to refuse to even entertain the idea of any sort of compromise. Why?

[legday]

The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

How would that affect your perception of the situation? Of our decision?

This is our vision for the project.

I hope we will regain at least some of the trust that some of the investors have lost due to a lack of communication on our side.

Thank you everyone for all the time you put in to share your frustrations, and a special thank you for all the kind and supportive private messages.

It would induce me to crush your ICO if a fair package was not offered to those supporters who supported you from the outset.

Make a more reasonable offer because you are going to waste a golden opportunity if you really have the potential to produce what you claim. A poor reputation can do so much damage to a project it is quite unthinkable that you would not at least make a more sensible offer to prevent this.

These guys are not exactly bright when it comes to social skills, management, long term planning, finances etc etc. As far as I'm concerned their only skill might be coding. If they had the ability to be sensible, they would not scam so many people for a quick profit.  So why bother asking them to wise up now? They would if they could. It is complete waste of time if you ask me.

[o48o]

I mean 50% is even a total bait and switch but livable if the white paper is outstanding.
25% you would have the odd supporter
5%= paid shills only to support this move and a bunch of scammed investors looking for revenge.

Rethink it now before digging yourself into a corner from which you can not get out of.

I would suggest now this second coming up with a far better offer.

On what kind of marketcaps have you thowing these numbers? Sounds like your goal would be having instant 100x for an ico invest. IMHO people would not give a shit about the 5% if the price was not currently dumped.

LOl yeah nobody would care about having their total stake in a coins minting reduced to 5% of what they thought it was initially. Why would they care?  why would that possibly crash the fucking market to perhaps 5% of its previous cap? you are saying that if they thought their investment retained the same usd value they should shut up and take it. But the upside just went down 20x? this is not an investment made in a vacuum there are other project the same investors compared and factored in the rules as they were not now the cap now has to achieve 20x higher than they dreamed it would to afford the same returns. Your investors are your supporters. These fools have no foresight. Those that are very very confident try to undersell their ico so they can retain the max tokens themselves because they know they make magnitudes more in the end.

People are investing at 100k sats because they probably believed eventually with the big dreams and talk here it would end up a 20M + cap coin and their stake in that was exactly as they were told it was at the outset not 5% of that.

The transition from bitcoindark to komodo was fairer and this should be the model here.
These people have no clue how crypto work. These are rank amateurs who are creating a total clusterfuck from a project that had a few people quite interested.

This is bait and switch pure and simple. You simply do not pull shit like this without the community consent.
So anyway let's review this in 24 hours if they still intend to insult their supporters with 5% then let's start to crush VLT and their future projects for good on here.

Let me ask it again, if you are throwing numbers like 50% what are your numbers based on? I mean everyone in here just seem to want more without even trying to tell how would they do it.

[KKbit]

You're very naive now if you think you can bait and switch with 5% only. That is verging on just foolish I'm afraid.
Some scams can get away with a dirty past if they are huge already before full pressure is applied.
Sadly this one is hardly off of the ground and will be swatted down and crushed before it takes deep root.

I mean 50% is even a total bait and switch but livable if the white paper is outstanding.
25% you would have the odd supporter
5%= paid shills only to support this move and a bunch of scammed investors looking for revenge.

Rethink it now before digging yourself into a corner from which you can not get out of.

I would suggest now this second coming up with a far better offer.

I would also suggest noting down the usernames here of all that are giving this 5% offer the time of day and not calling it out for the scam move it is

I would note them down in a list because they are obviously shills and puppet accounts. Then review their post history and see what you can find out.

+1

It's clear that you're effectively killing your chances of a successful future funding drive.

The team continues to refuse to even entertain the idea of any sort of compromise. Why?

Because they OTC the greater part of their VLT holdings and its uselss for them now, new token value increase is what they are looking for as they will not only want 5 to 20 million in funds but also to hold 20% of new total coin suply.

They are not only ripping old investors but making sure they have enought for every one of them of whats to come.

[philipvdlinde]

The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

and no religion too...

People already lost a lot of money because of your actions. You can't right this wrong. Now go back to your cave and let us spread the word around

It isn't a loss until you sell. You shouldn't blame others for your losses when it's you pushing the buy and sell button.

[legday]

The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

and no religion too...

People already lost a lot of money because of your actions. You can't right this wrong. Now go back to your cave and let us spread the word around

It isn't a loss until you sell. You shouldn't blame others for your losses when it's you pushing the buy and sell button.

FYI I have not sold anything. Cause price is so low it won't make any difference. If I had a chance to sell for 50% I would in a blink of an eye. And don't try to blame this on poor investors who were forced to sell with huge loss.

[philipvdlinde]

The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

and no religion too...

People already lost a lot of money because of your actions. You can't right this wrong. Now go back to your cave and let us spread the word around

It isn't a loss until you sell. You shouldn't blame others for your losses when it's you pushing the buy and sell button.

FYI I have not sold anything. Cause price is so low it won't make any difference. If I had a chance to sell for 50% I would in a blink of an eye. And don't try to blame this on poor investors who were forced to sell with huge loss.

No I am telling you to blame yourself for your own actions and not the endeavours of others. If you hold you will be just fine in a few months time.

[legday]

The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

and no religion too...

People already lost a lot of money because of your actions. You can't right this wrong. Now go back to your cave and let us spread the word around

It isn't a loss until you sell. You shouldn't blame others for your losses when it's you pushing the buy and sell button.

FYI I have not sold anything. Cause price is so low it won't make any difference. If I had a chance to sell for 50% I would in a blink of an eye. And don't try to blame this on poor investors who were forced to sell with huge loss.

No I am telling you to blame yourself for your own actions and not the endeavours of others. If you hold you will be just fine in a few months time.

oh you are one of them.
I don't argue with you people.
I know my money is long gone, but I'm 100% certain, that profit you made will cost you 100x in a long run

[cryptohunter]

The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

and no religion too...

People already lost a lot of money because of your actions. You can't right this wrong. Now go back to your cave and let us spread the word around

It isn't a loss until you sell. You shouldn't blame others for your losses when it's you pushing the buy and sell button.

FYI I have not sold anything. Cause price is so low it won't make any difference. If I had a chance to sell for 50% I would in a blink of an eye. And don't try to blame this on poor investors who were forced to sell with huge loss.

No I am telling you to blame yourself for your own actions and not the endeavours of others. If you hold you will be just fine in a few months time.

oh you are one of them.
I don't argue with you people.
I know my money is long gone, but I'm 100% certain, that profit you made will cost you 100x in a long run

I think there is hope. But do not let them think you are defeated. I believe these people probably do have some skill set.
They are just lacking all market psychology and social skills. Sometimes highly skilled people have all the skills in one area.

If they have what they claim they will not want a big black spot ruining it. Give them time for this to sink in and a better deal will come.

[philipvdlinde]

The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

and no religion too...

People already lost a lot of money because of your actions. You can't right this wrong. Now go back to your cave and let us spread the word around

It isn't a loss until you sell. You shouldn't blame others for your losses when it's you pushing the buy and sell button.

FYI I have not sold anything. Cause price is so low it won't make any difference. If I had a chance to sell for 50% I would in a blink of an eye. And don't try to blame this on poor investors who were forced to sell with huge loss.

No I am telling you to blame yourself for your own actions and not the endeavours of others. If you hold you will be just fine in a few months time.

oh you are one of them.
I don't argue with you people.
I know my money is long gone, but I'm 100% certain, that profit you made will cost you 100x in a long run

You are certain about a person you have never even met before. Seems like the kind of guy that loses all his money on a coin and goes on to blame others for his mistakes.

[legday]

The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

and no religion too...

People already lost a lot of money because of your actions. You can't right this wrong. Now go back to your cave and let us spread the word around

It isn't a loss until you sell. You shouldn't blame others for your losses when it's you pushing the buy and sell button.

FYI I have not sold anything. Cause price is so low it won't make any difference. If I had a chance to sell for 50% I would in a blink of an eye. And don't try to blame this on poor investors who were forced to sell with huge loss.

No I am telling you to blame yourself for your own actions and not the endeavours of others. If you hold you will be just fine in a few months time.

oh you are one of them.
I don't argue with you people.
I know my money is long gone, but I'm 100% certain, that profit you made will cost you 100x in a long run

You are certain about a person you have never even met before. Seems like the kind of guy that loses all his money on a coin and goes on to blame others for his mistakes.

You don't know how to read do you? I said I'm certain you won't get away with it.

[philipvdlinde]

The least that can be said about me is that I do not understand the community and that I completely underestimated the intensity of the reaction. So, for my part, I believe I should get back to doing what I know: delivering value for the project.

I want to leave you with one final thought.

Imagine we deliver a working prototype with a test network that has a lightning network that is technically clearly superior to the Bitcoin LN.
Imagine we present a road map that shows that we know exactly where we are going and how to get there.
Imagine we publish a white paper that illustrates that we know what we are doing and that the approach is groundbreaking.
Imagine we sign partnerships with some of the world leading blockchain researchers.

and no religion too...

People already lost a lot of money because of your actions. You can't right this wrong. Now go back to your cave and let us spread the word around

It isn't a loss until you sell. You shouldn't blame others for your losses when it's you pushing the buy and sell button.

FYI I have not sold anything. Cause price is so low it won't make any difference. If I had a chance to sell for 50% I would in a blink of an eye. And don't try to blame this on poor investors who were forced to sell with huge loss.

No I am telling you to blame yourself for your own actions and not the endeavours of others. If you hold you will be just fine in a few months time.

oh you are one of them.
I don't argue with you people.
I know my money is long gone, but I'm 100% certain, that profit you made will cost you 100x in a long run

You are certain about a person you have never even met before. Seems like the kind of guy that loses all his money on a coin and goes on to blame others for his mistakes.

You don't know how to read do you? I said I'm certain you won't get away with it.

I know my money is long gone, but I'm 100% certain, that profit you made will cost you 100x in a long run
You don't know how to read do you? I said I'm certain you won't get away with it.
Seems like 2 different sentences to me.

[USOAB]

Tired of sitting on the sidelines and watching you trolls call these guys scammers cause things didn't go your way. I actually know these guys personally and know they are not trying to scam. I actually overheard Max talk about his dedication to the project in a bar and how he couldn't let down those people who have trusted him with so much money. I grew up with Alex too and cant imagine him trying to scam me. I didnt sell my coins, they're still in my wallet. And you know what? Im gonna buy some more, they're nice and cheap now.

oh and go suck a d*** hunterwolfie

peace

[CryptoGoon]

Tired of sitting on the sidelines and watching you trolls call these guys scammers cause things didn't go your way. I actually know these guys personally and know they are not trying to scam. I actually overheard Max talk about his dedication to the project in a bar and how he couldn't let down those people who have trusted him with so much money. I grew up with Alex too and cant imagine him trying to scam me. I didnt sell my coins, they're still in my wallet. And you know what? Im gonna buy some more, they're nice and cheap now.

oh and go suck a d*** hunterwolfie

peace

I believe in Max

[k3006]

Nice project guys. I am looking forward to get the oppurtunity to Buy on a other exchange

[Spacemarko]

Every second more people leaving this project. Price now is 0.00015, almost 10 times less than last month.


 

[cryptohunter]

Tired of sitting on the sidelines and watching you trolls call these guys scammers cause things didn't go your way. I actually know these guys personally and know they are not trying to scam. I actually overheard Max talk about his dedication to the project in a bar and how he couldn't let down those people who have trusted him with so much money. I grew up with Alex too and cant imagine him trying to scam me. I didnt sell my coins, they're still in my wallet. And you know what? Im gonna buy some more, they're nice and cheap now.

oh and go suck a d*** hunterwolfie

peace

0 post accounts = zero credibility.

All of this will do no good anyway once the main actions starts. Once you give a project a valid scam tag it never goes away.

Puppet accounts just make things worse.

Come back with a serious offer guys. 5% is not viable.

No point arguing and issuing threats. Just stick together and give a deadline for a serious offer. It's not met then action a scam alert thread and keep it on page one of the main forum. Hound the ICO hound would be investors as scam supporters. I've seen the largest project capitulate after enough pressure.

If they have what they claim it is worth giving a bit of time for an offer before torching the reputation too much.

[Hunterwolfie]

Tired of sitting on the sidelines and watching you trolls call these guys scammers cause things didn't go your way. I actually know these guys personally and know they are not trying to scam. I actually overheard Max talk about his dedication to the project in a bar and how he couldn't let down those people who have trusted him with so much money. I grew up with Alex too and cant imagine him trying to scam me. I didnt sell my coins, they're still in my wallet. And you know what? Im gonna buy some more, they're nice and cheap now.

oh and go suck a d*** hunterwolfie

peace

just because you love going to town on Max's penis doesn't give you the right to project your homo fantasies on me you faggot.

and just in case you didn't catch this:

[gsxrboy]

Independent of how you guys spin this shit , this is straight scam , Great start for a Project and a foundation by ripping off and throw shit in the face of your supporters.  

About your partners no one wants to be associated with a scammer, and btc community make sure anyone dealing with you guys will know what their doing.

You guy's should be taken to court , or receive a good lesson like the old times.

If you have any decency you should back track and reconsider, even so harm has be done.