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September 02, 2016, 01:54:50 AM |
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Pretty good chance Cantoner is an alt of knowhow, a guy who had a lot of BCT accounts and did a lot of account farming. He and all his alts got banned for spam, so the account "Cantoner" is probably banned too. No solid proof linking them, but they talk way too similarly. The other alts might have been also farmed by him, and banned. Surprised how many farmed accounts there are.
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September 02, 2016, 02:41:18 AM |
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I think they don't mind account farmers. As long as their ads gets publicity I think it's fine.
In my opinion as long as they post relevant comments/posts it's fine as they're still helping us promote bitcoins.
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September 02, 2016, 06:37:25 AM |
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I think they don't mind account farmers. As long as their ads gets publicity I think it's fine.
In my opinion as long as they post relevant comments/posts it's fine as they're still helping us promote bitcoins.
All of your posts are relevant, but they're also all crap since you're making as many posts as possible from farmed accounts. Look at all these "relevant" posts. It's all our old friends having a nice discussion. https://archive.is/jMTPQ
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malmoghetto
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September 02, 2016, 07:26:11 AM |
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I think they don't mind account farmers. As long as their ads gets publicity I think it's fine.
In my opinion as long as they post relevant comments/posts it's fine as they're still helping us promote bitcoins.
All of your posts are relevant, but they're also all crap since you're making as many posts as possible from farmed accounts. Look at all these "relevant" posts. It's all our old friends having a nice discussion. https://archive.is/jMTPQLOL, they are not easy because they typed a lot of 3-4 lines post with bullshits to make "quality posts" to fool signature campaign managers. But you know mods do not ban them, so it means that this kind of posting is allowed here. Maybe he(them) is from a poor country, so let's just forgive him(them), we can get karma if we tolerate them. Btw, yoshit sig is very annoying due to 20 posts per day rule.
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September 02, 2016, 09:43:47 AM |
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I do think that account farming is already not allowed by the community. I've seen many an attempt to farm accounts and sell them, but to be able to successfully farm accounts, you will need to actually try to have good posts. If you're farming on like, 10 accounts, that's damn hard.
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September 02, 2016, 01:55:50 PM |
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In 6 days and with 180 or so accounts placed on my farmer list, only 1 "listed" farmed account has responded.
He was instantly shown as a multi account holder in a different way. Addy's. Addys that connect a proven farmed account, maybe sold maybe not, to other accounts of different periods. My lists cover a very limited period.
The only other member here to say my lists are open to interpretation was Omegasun. I told him I was looking at his account. I'll explain why This is not yet an accusation, just an explanation why I am looking.
Omegasun is u=639376. The bbc.spammer list includes u=639372, 4 places away. Jimbolb 2, connected to Mastsetad by addy is 22 members later. u=639398. (44 minutes later) 220 members later u=639604 is also on bbc. spammer list. (that was 5 hours later)
There is "grouping" of STILL activie members enrolling around the same time. Including a few very familiar sounding names from later listed farmed accounts. Such as Kollor, piloder and freedomgo. There is a glut of red trust, 4 accounts in 100. Jambolb2 is followed by Jimbola3. Most all suspect accounts post once on Nov 8, then once 14 days later on Nov 22, as their first 2 posts. NextBillG is there. (sign of ambition? Maybe not involved?)
Also in this group is Xeelee. German? different posting, not involved. Also Crypto ninja. A real person. (cant remember if they posted in months)
If Twitchy could publish a spreadsheet of this time period that highlights all still active users, ie visited in the last month or two, you would see how it stands out. This burst of activity is surrounded by thousands of inactive accounts and the occasional real and still active user. The same pattern I have seen when compiling my lists.
If Twitch can do that, that would be great. Then we can discuss. (and a similar highlighted s/s that shows 1 of my already listed periods to compare?)
Ok Here we go: The following is considering all available accounts from u=638,000 (created November 07, 2015, 01:02:24 PM) to u=663,000 (November 24, 2015, 07:09:13 AM) I should have 25,000 accounts but, in the end only 23,932 were processed. (I don't think it matters) Of the 23,932 accounts created: 22,406 accounts (93%) have 0 posts 1,187 accounts (5%) have 1-20 posts each and total 5,499 posts. 211 accounts (1%) have 20-100 posts each and total 9,287 posts. 157 accounts (1%) have 100+ posts each and total 51,092. The combined post count of these 23,932 accounts is 65,278. (Although 22,406 account account for 0 posts) This graph shows how many accounts were created on each of the full days within the range. I decided to remove all users with 9 posts or less or with most recent activity May 30, 2016 or earlier. In other words, I'm only going to be looking at Users with 10+ posts who have logged on at least once since June. That leaves us with 356 of the original 23,932 users responsible for 53,358 of the total 65,278 posts. Total accounts created by date: Accounts from above post count totals grouped by registration date. On Nov 8th from 10:52am-12:17pm a new account was created with 4-7 minutes between each. Then From 12:50-1:25pm and again from 4:04 to 4:45. On November 9th there's a 7+ hour gap where no accounts are created (that meet our requirements) Then, starting at 3:12pm 6 more appear just a few minutes apart: Here's the spreadsheet. Right now I've only got the filtered version of ~350 users who have 10+ posts and Active since June, I'll prob upload all 23k+ accounts on another sheet later.
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awesome31312
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September 02, 2016, 07:51:53 PM |
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Wow! It's really impressive that you were able to figure all this out. You should pass your evidence to the administrator in confidence, not publicly, because that would give the spammers time to prepare for ban evasion.
You have clearly done your research, just message the Admin and tell him what you think of it, I'm sure he'll consider it.
Just curious, what do you mean by the abbreviation "bbc"?
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rizzlarolla (OP)
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September 02, 2016, 08:30:26 PM Last edit: September 03, 2016, 05:52:12 PM by rizzlarolla |
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Wow Twitchy, a lot of work there. I'll need more time to let this all sink in, but this is what I'm seeing at the moment... Took me a while to see the tiny brown strip for 11/11 on the pie chart. I knew it was there somewhere! (in case any one else is looking) The pie chart is very hard to understand the relevance of. I have understood it now. The largest section is the day I am questioning. The second largest and third largest sections are the only other 2 days I have already shown farmer attacks in that time period. (nov 22/23) It is like a spam-o-meter of total posts of members from a certain registration day? The colouring on the spreadsheet maybe a little confusing to some. It shows some things clearly. What I did notice it did not pick up colourfully was a continuation of one of my lists. The 3rd account to register after Fidimoga u=662343 (6 minutes later, or 4 minutes after Fidimoga had posted) was.. (0/0, 0/0 accounts in-between) (edit - Fidimoga is u=662347. he was also missed off the list, adding now. last on list was Rostodom u=662343. other numbers adjusted below) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662347 Fidimoga (23) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662350 BrockHunter (20) Male 35 Houston https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662353 Vannterson (20) Female 35 Texas https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662360 Gwerrahar (20) Male 26 Porcia https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662362 Antesth (20) Male 29 TX https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662363 Etaurith (20) Male 26 Italy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662367 Ocytrem (20) Male 27 Italy 22 minutes to set up all 6, with their details and first post. All repeat posting schedule, all have a "witty" avatar. Less than 4 minutes spent per account. set up, posted, done! The filtered bar chart is very relevant. It shows 32 accounts who joined on Nov 22 are still active. (in last 3 months) It shows 42 accounts who joined on Nov 23 are still active. (they are 1st and 3rd highest days) Both days are on my farmer list. The 2nd highest is being looked into. On Nov 22 I have listed 16 still active farmed account. Take away 16 from total 32 still active accounts from that day, = 16 not farmed, still active, at best. On Nov 23 I have listed 22 farmed accounts previously, now another 6 7 here to add on, 28 29 still active farmed accounts. Take away 28 29 from total 42 still active accounts registered that day = 14 13 not farmed, still active, at best. still active farmed accounts outnumber active "real people" accounts 2-1, that registered on Nov 23. And 1-1 farmed/real accounts that registered on Nov 22 and still active in last 3 months. I have also listed farming accounts Nov 24, 25, (26 to follow) 27,28, 29. I haven't looked any further yet. This is not an isolated incident. We have been overrun! Great work there TwitchySeal, thanks. (i need a beer, my head is spinning ) ^ bbc. spammer list https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1591598.0 i have ordered and used it. (see page 2 here)
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rizzlarolla (OP)
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September 02, 2016, 09:10:07 PM |
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Wow! It's really impressive that you were able to figure all this out. You should pass your evidence to the administrator in confidence, not publicly, because that would give the spammers time to prepare for ban evasion. You have clearly done your research, just message the Admin and tell him what you think of it, I'm sure he'll consider it. Just curious, what do you mean by the abbreviation "bbc"?
Theymos knows. I always said that. I also meant he knows I am posting. It started in the bbc spammer thread I think. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1591598.0I did not know where this was going. He did. He could have replied me anytime. He could have messaged me anytime. He didn't. He hasn't. He still could. No mod has posted here in 5 pages. I was previously told I would be lucky if Theymos was bothered, I think. If I had known the scale of things, maybe I would have done things differently. I didn't know. Theymos did. He could have stopped this anytime. The bct co-owner was posting last night, in the next thread. I am ignored by mods in other threads too. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1586378.0I agree it may have been more advantageous for Theymos not to have shown others how all this works. He has not banned me either, so..?
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September 02, 2016, 11:20:01 PM |
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Wow! It's really impressive that you were able to figure all this out. You should pass your evidence to the administrator in confidence, not publicly, because that would give the spammers time to prepare for ban evasion. You have clearly done your research, just message the Admin and tell him what you think of it, I'm sure he'll consider it. Just curious, what do you mean by the abbreviation "bbc"?
Theymos knows. I always said that. I also meant he knows I am posting. It started in the bbc spammer thread I think. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1591598.0I did not know where this was going. He did. He could have replied me anytime. He could have messaged me anytime. He didn't. He hasn't. He still could. No mod has posted here in 5 pages. I was previously told I would be lucky if Theymos was bothered, I think. If I had known the scale of things, maybe I would have done things differently. I didn't know. Theymos did. He could have stopped this anytime. The bct co-owner was posting last night, in the next thread. I am ignored by mods in other threads too. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1586378.0I agree it may have been more advantageous for Theymos not to have shown others how all this works. He has not banned me either, so..? I'll weigh in on this from my politico-economical thinking perspective. He most likely has been aware of this activity for a very long time, long before you "discovered" it. However, he chooses to remain silent on the issue, because giving a statement would only lead to his statement being used against him on the forums, which would lead to nearly the entire forum discovering this. He clearly does not want to get rid of the issue at hand because doing so would challenge the ad revenue he receives.
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September 02, 2016, 11:41:27 PM |
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Wow! It's really impressive that you were able to figure all this out. You should pass your evidence to the administrator in confidence, not publicly, because that would give the spammers time to prepare for ban evasion. You have clearly done your research, just message the Admin and tell him what you think of it, I'm sure he'll consider it. Just curious, what do you mean by the abbreviation "bbc"?
Theymos knows. I always said that. I also meant he knows I am posting. It started in the bbc spammer thread I think. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1591598.0I did not know where this was going. He did. He could have replied me anytime. He could have messaged me anytime. He didn't. He hasn't. He still could. No mod has posted here in 5 pages. I was previously told I would be lucky if Theymos was bothered, I think. If I had known the scale of things, maybe I would have done things differently. I didn't know. Theymos did. He could have stopped this anytime. The bct co-owner was posting last night, in the next thread. I am ignored by mods in other threads too. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1586378.0I agree it may have been more advantageous for Theymos not to have shown others how all this works. He has not banned me either, so..? I'll weigh in on this from my politico-economical thinking perspective. He most likely has been aware of this activity for a very long time, long before you "discovered" it. However, he chooses to remain silent on the issue, because giving a statement would only lead to his statement being used against him on the forums, which would lead to nearly the entire forum discovering this. He clearly does not want to get rid of the issue at hand because doing so would challenge the ad revenue he receives. I think he just has more important shit to deal with.
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September 03, 2016, 12:54:04 AM |
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@rizzlarolla. Thank you for doing this. Check this account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639604The biggest takeaway with these farmed accounts are the no. of posts and their activity are the same or almost the same. They join signature campaigns as an added incentive but I speculate that the main objective for these farmers is to sell those accounts.
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rizzlarolla (OP)
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September 03, 2016, 06:24:19 PM |
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I think he just has more important shit to deal with.
Ok, lets hope so. Though this forum going to ruin should be quite high on his important list I would think. Okay, I'm supporting about this thread for against the farmer account but i got this
In will look at some point. I see you have reported to known alts thread also. That is the correct place for now. In the process of checking. This account is already on your bbc. spammer list, and features in TwitchySeals last but 1 post above.
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September 03, 2016, 07:50:09 PM Last edit: September 04, 2016, 12:33:10 AM by rizzlarolla |
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On November 9th there's a 7+ hour gap where no accounts are created (that meet our requirements) Then, starting at 3:12pm 6 more appear just a few minutes apart: I'll start with this smaller section! AngryDwarf is not farmed. Look at his first posts, completely different. Hubballi is not farmed. same as above. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=640554 Strongkored (1013) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=640559 fachant (65) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=640564 dodgrad (55) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=640570 Bettwarm (79) Followed by (actually 47 zero post members later) Blind Legs Parker. Blind Legs is not a farmed account. different posting (not 1 line spam) and he speaks french. Let's look at these four in more detail. Their first 3 posts, minutes apart. Strongkored Nov 9 @7.47pm Nov 22 @10.56am Dec3 @1.44pm fachant Nov 9 @7.50pm Nov 22 @11.00am Dec3 @1.48pm dodgrad Nov 9 @7.54pm Nov 22 @11.05am Dec3 @1.51pm Bettwarm Nov 9 @7.57pm Nov 22 @11.07am Dec3 @1.53pm Farmed? Conclusive. 4 accounts, 1200 spam posts. I will continue with this section later. Ok, carrying on. cas hking2025, not farmed (even with the standard farmed 20 post account!) Just look at his posts. munkey666 is not included either as is not farmed. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=641327 Ilikechineseefood (24) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=641334 HilbillyFred (171) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=641342 FrannWilder (22) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=641347 Fofofolo (110) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=641360 italianobitcoin (284) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=641367 maudevang (403) Lets look in more detail at their first posts. Ilikechineseefood Nov 9,13,13,13,13,13 HilbillyFred Nov 9,13,13,13,13,13 FrannWilder Nov 9,13,13,13,13,13 Fofofolo Nov 9,13,16,16,16,16 italianobitcoin Nov 9,13,13,13,13,13 maudevang Nov 9,13,13,13,13,13 (pretty much every other account in this registration time frame not mentioned here and not shown in the colour chart above, is a 0 or 1 post "dormant" account. see twitchyseals link to spreadsheet. there were 813 accounts registered in this time frame of 9 hours covering both attacks) FrannWilder (Oops) Fofofolo nearly fooled me there, not. Take a look at their writing styles. All have a gap between lines, until Dec when they all change to not having a gap. Farmed? conclusive. 6 accounts, 1000 spam posts.
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September 03, 2016, 11:40:27 PM Last edit: September 04, 2016, 12:48:59 AM by rizzlarolla |
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On Nov 8th from 10:52am-12:17pm a new account was created with 4-7 minutes between each. Then From 12:50-1:25pm and again from 4:04 to 4:45. Ok I'll start on this next piece, working up from the bottom. cfif is not farmed, nor Crypto Greek. Nor, I don't think, is grambel (but he should be banned anyway for shouting every post really loudly ). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639605 mirakal (1563) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639604 anthonydar (196) *** https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639598 posternat (169) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639593 coinyard (347) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639581 glerand (32) I dont really know if their writing style changed as all early posts, bar 2, were 1 liners. coinyard did have one 2 line post in Dec that had a gap, followed by a 2 liner without a gap, then back to 1 liners. glerand's 32 posts are all 1 line shitposts. these accounts took 23 minutes to create and first post, then left for 2 weeks. Look at the posts mirakal Nov 8,22 Dec 3,14,25 Jan 7,20 Feb 3,16,29 anthonydar Nov 8,22 Dec 3,13,24 Jan 2,5,8,10,11, posternat Nov 8,22 Dec 3,12,23 Jan 6 Feb 1,14,27 coinyard Nov 8,22 Dec 3,12,23 Jan 6 Feb 1,14,27 glerand Nov 8,22 Dec 3,15, Jan 7,11,20,22,26 Their second posts on Nov 22 all minutes apart, not detailed here, check that yourselves! (as were the first obvs) I stopped looking there. 5 farmed accounts, 2150 spam posts. *** bbc. spammer list I'll carry on up the Twitchys filtered chart another time.
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September 04, 2016, 02:21:37 PM |
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This is just kind of a random observation and honestly I have no idea if it means anything. Every time I see an account up for sale the morons always say: This account doesn't has a stacked address.
It's a 'staked' address not a 'stacked' address. I'm wondering if it's the same nincompoop or if all account farmers spell the same word wrong every single time. Other grammatical errors from account farmers are: "I advice you..." when it should be "I advise you..." And of course "Your an idiot" lol. These last two are mistakes made by literally 95% of the forum so I wouldn't put too much weight on them. This whole 'stacked' address thing seems like such a random mistake that it must be the same person or group of people.
Great charts twitchyseal. They're better than my dinky little idea of a scatterplot hahaha.
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September 04, 2016, 03:01:16 PM |
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This is just kind of a random observation and honestly I have no idea if it means anything. Every time I see an account up for sale the morons always say: This account doesn't has a stacked address.
It's a 'staked' address not a 'stacked' address. I'm wondering if it's the same nincompoop or if all account farmers spell the same word wrong every single time. Other grammatical errors from account farmers are: "I advice you..." when it should be "I advise you..." And of course "Your an idiot" lol. These last two are mistakes made by literally 95% of the forum so I wouldn't put too much weight on them. This whole 'stacked' address thing seems like such a random mistake that it must be the same person or group of people.
Great charts twitchyseal. They're better than my dinky little idea of a scatterplot hahaha. Moral of the story: If you want to break a bunch of rules, be very fluent in English.
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September 05, 2016, 02:34:18 PM |
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Great investigation but you don't get a life? Daily research on this? Your logic sounds plausible, but the logic can't be correct, because there are hundreds/thousands of accounts were made everyday, but you think these active members are all farmed accounts? If you wish mods ban them, then it is impossible because others accounts registered mist be very quiet in that day(it is the reason you pick these accounts), if they ban those accounts in your logic, every daily active members should be all farmed accounts, this is your logic.
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