[ANN] [ICO CLOSED] Inchain - insurance for the crypto economy

[Sergey_Inchain]

Sorry to hear fund raising campaign not achieved its goal there. Do you have any plan for social media supporters?

Dear supporters,

Many thanks for your help and efforts.

As you know we have not raised enough funds and the project is postponed. This means that we do not issue any coins.

Once we raised funds form other sources and launch our project we will find the way to reward you.


All the best,
Inchain team

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[Sergey_Inchain]

bad to see it fail...i want my refund...please setup refund process

Already, BTC refund started: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1623519.msg16969439#msg16969439
ETH refund will start soon, we are still waiting the ETH escrow online

[Sergey_Inchain]

And why is the refund so painful ? I'm going to lose 10% from my investment!

Sorry man, this is in the hand of the escrow.
ETH refund rules still not published, we are waiting for ETH refund rules from the ETH escrow. I hope it will not so painful.

[Sergey_Inchain]

I want to ask! what if we are at the time of the deposit yesterday ico use of exchange?

Don't worry. Escrow know how to refund in that case.

[rusmana62]

bad to see it fail...i want my refund...please setup refund process

Already, BTC refund started: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1623519.msg16969439#msg16969439
ETH refund will start soon, we are still waiting the ETH escrow online

how to work for refund? PM SebastianJu or what?

[Sergey_Inchain]

However, I don't know why escrow cannot request Inchain to put a refund option on their website and take wallet address.

We suggest it for escrow. They declined.

[0:42:10] Seju: you are right to the point that investor refund addresses would be collected through the website so those who put them there would check it in that week. for normal refunds people ask a month later for refunds. didn't notice before that a refund will happen.
[0:43:05] Oleksii Matiiasevych: month is ok
[0:43:30] Sergey: Sebastian, must we collect the refund addresses through the website?
[0:44:00] Seju: the suggestion from oleksii mentioned that
[0:44:17] Sergey: I ask you)
[0:44:41] Seju: it's only thinking about options.
[0:45:24] Sergey: your answer is NO?
[0:45:24] Oleksii Matiiasevych: yes, thats not my job anyway, just trying to optimize the process. Escrows to decide.
[0:45:50] Sergey: thank you, Oleksii
[0:46:24] Seju: sergey... I said oleksii mentioned this as his suggestion and it's what we speak about. no decision made yet.

[Sergey_Inchain]

Hello, can we have a statement about the signature campaign, spreadsheet isn't up to date.
I keep the signature since 9 weeks now and i hope to earn something.

Thank you

Every signature participant who was not declined before is accepted last week.

[Sergey_Inchain]

To signature campaign participants:

Guys, take pls Inchain signature off.

To bounty campaign participants:

Many thanks for your help and efforts.

As you know we have not raised enough funds and the project is postponed. This means that we do not issue any coins.

Once we raised funds form other sources and launch our project we will find the way to reward you.


All the best,
Inchain team

[Sergey_Inchain]

bad to see it fail...i want my refund...please setup refund process

Already, BTC refund started: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1623519.msg16969439#msg16969439
ETH refund will start soon, we are still waiting the ETH escrow online

how to work for refund? PM SebastianJu or what?

BTC -> PM SebastianJu
ETH -> still waiting refund rules from the ETH escrow. I hope it will come soon

[electronicash]

To signature campaign participants:

Guys, take pls Inchain signature off.

To bounty campaign participants:

Many thanks for your help and efforts.

As you know we have not raised enough funds and the project is postponed. This means that we do not issue any coins.

Once we raised funds form other sources and launch our project we will find the way to reward you.


All the best,
Inchain team

Hello, can we have a statement about the signature campaign, spreadsheet isn't up to date.
I keep the signature since 9 weeks now and i hope to earn something.

Thank you

Every signature participant who was not declined before is accepted last week.

so they can now take off their signature and can be paid congrats!

That that the project was short of budget. I hope to get refunded alter. do we need to pm Sebastian that my investment came directly from an exchange to which I therefore can't have the option to provide sign message.

[btcxyzzz]

Sergey, would you please explain what exatly "refund rules from the ETH escrow" means? I mean, what is in question here? You know exact amounts which came from exact addresses, what possibly could be changed there by "refund rules"? Thanks.

[Sergey_Inchain]

Sergey, would you please explain what exatly "refund rules from the ETH escrow" means? I mean, what is in question here? You know exact amounts which came from exact addresses, what possibly could be changed there by "refund rules"? Thanks.

I mean requirements that investors need to provide to the ETH escrow to start refund.

We can do the refund without escrow technically, but they hold the fund.

[Mento]

Is there a clearly defined time frame of the return. Specify dates if they exist. I can not access the data confirming proof about my investments in the near future.

[Sergey_Inchain]

Is there a clearly defined time frame of the return. Specify dates if they exist. I can not access the data confirming proof about my investments in the near future.

I already asked Sebastian to explain as much info as possible.

All escrow are offline now(( I will continue to push them.

[Divorcion]

Is there a clearly defined time frame of the return. Specify dates if they exist. I can not access the data confirming proof about my investments in the near future.

I already asked Sebastian to explain as much info as possible.

All escrow are offline now(( I will continue to push them.

Too bad, the project was interesting, are there are any plans to restart or try a similar new project?

[Sergey_Inchain]

Is there a clearly defined time frame of the return. Specify dates if they exist. I can not access the data confirming proof about my investments in the near future.

I already asked Sebastian to explain as much info as possible.

All escrow are offline now(( I will continue to push them.

Too bad, the project was interesting, are there are any plans to restart or try a similar new project?

Sure

[Jcga]

Is there a clearly defined time frame of the return. Specify dates if they exist. I can not access the data confirming proof about my investments in the near future.

I already asked Sebastian to explain as much info as possible.

All escrow are offline now(( I will continue to push them.

Too bad, the project was interesting, are there are any plans to restart or try a similar new project?

Sure

Great, there is a need and room for Inchain in the Cryptosphere.

[SebastianJu]

Hello everyone, Sergey told me that there is some kind of confusion about how the refund of Bitcoins will happen. This only applies to BITCOIN REFUNDS.

Everyone who wanted to invest was asked to read my escrow rules before investing. Those rules contained the parts about refunds. Which means refunds have to be proven. We escrows can't possibly trust on data we receive from the devs of inchain. This would negate the whole purpose of an escrow and would put every real investor and the escrows in high risks of being scammed. Instead everyone was asked to invest with some kind of proof being possible. These are:

First way:

Only send Bitcoins from an address you can sign a private message from or at least where you are able to get the private key for that address! This is important since in case of REFUND you can't proof otherwise that you sent bitcoins when you, for example, sent the bitcoins directly from an Exchange. In that case better send them first to your wallet and then from there to the escrow address.

For information about what you need to sign a message you can check out this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345

Second way:

Another alternative to proof your ownership of a payment would be to send me the last 4 numbers of your user id as satoshies in your transaction.

Move your mouse over my username, see my profile id is 18640. You can see yours when you are in your profile and hover the mouse over the links on the left menu. Something like u=18640 in the links show your User-ID. The last 4 digits are 8640. When you add these 4 numbers as satoshies to your payment then it is pretty sure it's your payment too.

For example you want to send 2 bitcoins and your profile id would be 18640 then you send 2.00008640 Bitcoin.

Those investments can be seen as proven to be invested by the person who asks for a refund when one of these ways can be shown.

Everyone who can't do that has to contact me also:

Refunds possible?

Refunds can only be done in case the issuer agrees or there are reasons to stop the ICO by the escrow, because there came up doubts that make the ICO too insecure to proceed.

As long as you did not verify your investment transaction in some way I will see your investment as unverified. Otherwise it could mean a random person could claim an investment as his investment and steal it from a shareholder.

Refunds can only be done instantly when you can proof ownership of the investment. Either by signing a message from the sending bitcoin address or by your investment amount matching your forum user id. See description about verification above.

If you can't proof the ownership of an investment and a refund needs to be done then you need to wait some weeks so that the risk of being scammed is lower for me and the (potential real) owner of that investment. You would want I protect your investment too when someone claims it was his investment and only can show the transaction id, right?

As everyone would have noted already. Refunds take an immense amount of time for the escrows, which is why many escrows does not like ICO's. Escrows can't simply make it easy because the risk of being scammed is high then.

Like stated in escrow details there is a refund fee which is a minimum of 0.01BTC or the following fee structure, whatever is higher:

>=$500,001 = 0,5%
$500,000 - $50,001 = 1%
$50,000 - $10,001 = 2%
$10,000 - $1,001 = 3%
$1,000 - $101 => 5%
<=$100 => 10%


In any case, please contact my via pm about this. I will take notes of everything and let you know if something more is required. I will check those pm and emails as soon as possible.

[xcajun21]

private key for that address

If someone sent from exchange bitcoin "wallet" within that exchange (ex, liqui.io). Where i see this private key and how does look like. Is it the "txid" long row of numbers?

[rgornik]

Hello everyone, Sergey told me that there is some kind of confusion about how the refund of Bitcoins will happen. This only applies to BITCOIN REFUNDS.

Everyone who wanted to invest was asked to read my escrow rules before investing. Those rules contained the parts about refunds. Which means refunds have to be proven. We escrows can't possibly trust on data we receive from the devs of inchain. This would negate the whole purpose of an escrow and would put every real investor and the escrows in high risks of being scammed. Instead everyone was asked to invest with some kind of proof being possible. These are:

First way:

Only send Bitcoins from an address you can sign a private message from or at least where you are able to get the private key for that address! This is important since in case of REFUND you can't proof otherwise that you sent bitcoins when you, for example, sent the bitcoins directly from an Exchange. In that case better send them first to your wallet and then from there to the escrow address.

For information about what you need to sign a message you can check out this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345

Second way:

Another alternative to proof your ownership of a payment would be to send me the last 4 numbers of your user id as satoshies in your transaction.

Move your mouse over my username, see my profile id is 18640. You can see yours when you are in your profile and hover the mouse over the links on the left menu. Something like u=18640 in the links show your User-ID. The last 4 digits are 8640. When you add these 4 numbers as satoshies to your payment then it is pretty sure it's your payment too.

For example you want to send 2 bitcoins and your profile id would be 18640 then you send 2.00008640 Bitcoin.

Those investments can be seen as proven to be invested by the person who asks for a refund when one of these ways can be shown.

Everyone who can't do that has to contact me also:

Refunds possible?

Refunds can only be done in case the issuer agrees or there are reasons to stop the ICO by the escrow, because there came up doubts that make the ICO too insecure to proceed.

As long as you did not verify your investment transaction in some way I will see your investment as unverified. Otherwise it could mean a random person could claim an investment as his investment and steal it from a shareholder.

Refunds can only be done instantly when you can proof ownership of the investment. Either by signing a message from the sending bitcoin address or by your investment amount matching your forum user id. See description about verification above.

If you can't proof the ownership of an investment and a refund needs to be done then you need to wait some weeks so that the risk of being scammed is lower for me and the (potential real) owner of that investment. You would want I protect your investment too when someone claims it was his investment and only can show the transaction id, right?

As everyone would have noted already. Refunds take an immense amount of time for the escrows, which is why many escrows does not like ICO's. Escrows can't simply make it easy because the risk of being scammed is high then.

Like stated in escrow details there is a refund fee which is a minimum of 0.01BTC or the following fee structure, whatever is higher:

>=$500,001 = 0,5%
$500,000 - $50,001 = 1%
$50,000 - $10,001 = 2%
$10,000 - $1,001 = 3%
$1,000 - $101 => 5%
<=$100 => 10%


In any case, please contact my via pm about this. I will take notes of everything and let you know if something more is required. I will check those pm and emails as soon as possible.

So I sent it from Kraken (I wasnt aware of problems with sending it from there). I really do not have a clue what to do. I do not know how can I sign a message to prove my ownership. Can anyone help, gives some guidelines