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I would beg to differ I think you are too optimistic. There are number of reasons why they don't approve such ETF. 1) Security concerns - ETF can be hacked and all funds stolen. 2) Market manipulation - Bitcoin price can be easily manipulated and SEC doesn't have any means to restrict this as Bitcoin is totally out of control. If someone manipulates the price on a stock market, SEC can conduct investigation and prosecute the manipulators (remember "Wall Street" movie). How can they do it with Bitcoins when manipulation can come from anywhere in the world and can be catastrophic to the Bitcoin market? They can ban this ETF, but it would mean that all investors will lose money, because BTC will immediately drop in price to the very bottom. 3) Precedent - if they approve ETF for Bitcoin, they will have a lot of requests to approve ETF for altcoins and not only altcoins (from Ether, Monero and Dash down to totally ponzi schemes). And here see item 2. Finally, if they wanted to approve this ETF, they would have already done it. There was no change in key people in SEC since ETF was first filed for approval. Trump administration is even less favorable for BTC than Obama administration was. Donald Trump is much more conservative and no surprise that he would see Bitcoin as safe heaven for terrorists, hackers, tax evaders, drug dealers at some point. No, they won't approve it. The only question is what happens to BTC once the rejection is official and final.
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March 03, 2017, 01:49:48 PM |
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danger of bitcoin is its anonymity which welcomes the government and other intelligence agencies to takes down the currency from currency list. and danger of other cryptocurrencies is feasiability.
Good opinion, I agreed the dangerous of bitcoin is anonymous, all the people would hide their money to avoid taxes. Don't be surprised if tax revenues will decline if bitcoin increasingly popular.
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March 03, 2017, 01:54:40 PM |
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danger of bitcoin is its anonymity which welcomes the government and other intelligence agencies to takes down the currency from currency list. and danger of other cryptocurrencies is feasiability.
Good opinion, I agreed the dangerous of bitcoin is anonymous, all the people would hide their money to avoid taxes. Don't be surprised if tax revenues will decline if bitcoin increasingly popular. It is not that anonymous nowadays. Website wallets have been requiring information or ID's when it comes to a higher amount of bitcoin that will be withdrew or deposited. So they can trace now to whoever it is that is transacting. Well, it is kind of good and also bad. Good that they will see we are not hiding anything. Bad for those who are transacting in deep web with illegal items. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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March 03, 2017, 02:02:22 PM |
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danger of bitcoin is its anonymity which welcomes the government and other intelligence agencies to takes down the currency from currency list. and danger of other cryptocurrencies is feasiability.
Good opinion, I agreed the dangerous of bitcoin is anonymous, all the people would hide their money to avoid taxes. Don't be surprised if tax revenues will decline if bitcoin increasingly popular. It is not that anonymous nowadays. Website wallets have been requiring information or ID's when it comes to a higher amount of bitcoin that will be withdrew or deposited. So they can trace now to whoever it is that is transacting. Well, it is kind of good and also bad. Good that they will see we are not hiding anything. Bad for those who are transacting in deep web with illegal items. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Well, it was very good indeed, and may reduce the risk of cryptocurrency. but, it also will make it one of the advantages of cryptocurrency disappeared. I guess you're right. it can have a good effect, and is also bad.
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March 03, 2017, 07:18:06 PM |
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The only thing that i see danger in cryptocurrencies is the government because if the government will not agree in using cryptocurrency then if they will ban it then our hard work will turn to nothing so i think it is better if we make using cryptocurrency legal first so we don't have to worry about because the coins are legal and the government already approve it.
If the government would be willing to accept bitcoin, it is a very bad impact on the users. The fact that the state has always had control over income citizens and businesses. Therefore it is necessary to draw conclusions about whether to demand the legalization of the government or not. i do not think that there will be any bad impact on the users of bitcoin if the government will accept bitcoin without any condition, i am hopeful that people will become more and more stable when the users of bitcoin will put more confident on bitcoin. i am hopeful that government will accept bitcoin without any condition.
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March 03, 2017, 07:23:47 PM |
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It is not that anonymous nowadays. Website wallets have been requiring information or ID's when it comes to a higher amount of bitcoin that will be withdrew or deposited. So they can trace now to whoever it is that is transacting. Well, it is kind of good and also bad. Good that they will see we are not hiding anything. Bad for those who are transacting in deep web with illegal items. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Well, it was very good indeed, and may reduce the risk of cryptocurrency. but, it also will make it one of the advantages of cryptocurrency disappeared. I guess you're right. it can have a good effect, and is also bad. That's why KYC and verification is important for some exchanges. They cannot operate freely if their exchange will be prone for money fraud activity that's why to comply with the legal terms of a certain country they must run legitimately. If a person doesn't want that idea then find other ways to deal with buying and selling bitcoin without the use of any exchanges although it will be a hassle one.
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Two words: "Open Source."
If you don't trust the exports, if 'Argument to Authority' is your personal fallacy windmill of choice to tilt at, then just read the code yourself and decide. And if you don't know how to read the code, join a coding monastery, spend five years in coding bootcamp, become the world's most badass coder, and fucking read it yourself. Otherwise, trust that the thousands--if not millions--of people who have looked at the publicly available code have decided that distributed = distributed, ledger = ledger, and technology = technology.
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March 04, 2017, 12:01:08 PM |
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Two words: "Open Source."
If you don't trust the exports, if 'Argument to Authority' is your personal fallacy windmill of choice to tilt at, then just read the code yourself and decide. And if you don't know how to read the code, join a coding monastery, spend five years in coding bootcamp, become the world's most badass coder, and fucking read it yourself. Otherwise, trust that the thousands--if not millions--of people who have looked at the publicly available code have decided that distributed = distributed, ledger = ledger, and technology = technology.
Then you do not have to argue why. Perhaps you're right, but only at the expense of the number of people a little too much. Because I think that hundreds of thousands, but not millions.
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March 04, 2017, 02:42:29 PM |
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From time immemorial wickedness has been existing. Bitcoin can't create any new danger as bitcoin is the other side of money. CIA have been controlled people even now that we are still using fiat. Bitcoin may have it own side effects but the benefits of cashless system cannot be over emphasized. Technology is ruling the world currently, fiat is one of the limitations of technology.
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March 04, 2017, 02:48:29 PM |
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One danger i only know is that fresh crypto curencies might be dead soon, so you shouldn't even buy fresh cryptos as you might lose a lot of your money
You don't have to think or worry about crypto that just came in or the lauching. because the something there are some crypto indeed consistent to build a block of their best and can help everyone in the world is in any case required. But keep in mind, if you do want to get an advantage in the crypto then you must first on total number of coin which is in crypto and after that compare with other crypto
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March 04, 2017, 02:52:20 PM |
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From time immemorial wickedness has been existing. Bitcoin can't create any new danger as bitcoin is the other side of money. CIA have been controlled people even now that we are still using fiat. Bitcoin may have it own side effects but the benefits of cashless system cannot be over emphasized. Technology is ruling the world currently, fiat is one of the limitations of technology.
But still the fiat currency is the one controlling the people. We cant change that easily. We have been used to the traditional spending of that paper. People cannot be changed that easily even if you put a lot of advertisement about a coin that is controlling the internet. That is the limit of bitcoin. It needs to be implemented by the government for people to believe.
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March 04, 2017, 03:02:26 PM |
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From time immemorial wickedness has been existing. Bitcoin can't create any new danger as bitcoin is the other side of money. CIA have been controlled people even now that we are still using fiat. Bitcoin may have it own side effects but the benefits of cashless system cannot be over emphasized. Technology is ruling the world currently, fiat is one of the limitations of technology.
Fiat is not the limitation, it is the one that serves as a base for the present technology development. Everywhere technology is much developed in most other fields. Now it's the time for financial technology development. Everytime when some innovation strikes the ground people won't accept it and indicate it as a danger. The same happened during the starting days which has changed a lot.
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March 04, 2017, 03:50:44 PM |
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One danger i only know is that fresh crypto curencies might be dead soon, so you shouldn't even buy fresh cryptos as you might lose a lot of your money
We don't know what will happen in the future, that is why it is hard to say what will happen to bitcoin. For now, saying those negativities about bitcoin actually won't help, for bitcoin to be in the place where it should be, and we are all hoping that bitcoin would be a big success someday, that bitcoin would be one of the keys to develop this world that we are living on to something that we can never imagine. By continuing using bitcoin, and persuading people on investing, mining, and buying it, can make bitcoin live for a lifetime, it won't die as long as those people are out there, and we all know that, so, instead of throwing or accusing nonsense thing about bitcoin, lets just support it, no matter what, because we are all getting benefited by it since we have started using it.
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March 04, 2017, 03:55:37 PM |
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One danger i only know is that fresh crypto curencies might be dead soon, so you shouldn't even buy fresh cryptos as you might lose a lot of your money
We don't know what will happen in the future, that is why it is hard to say what will happen to bitcoin. For now, saying those negativities about bitcoin actually won't help, for bitcoin to be in the place where it should be, and we are all hoping that bitcoin would be a big success someday, that bitcoin would be one of the keys to develop this world that we are living on to something that we can never imagine. By continuing using bitcoin, and persuading people on investing, mining, and buying it, can make bitcoin live for a lifetime, it won't die as long as those people are out there, and we all know that, so, instead of throwing or accusing nonsense thing about bitcoin, lets just support it, no matter what, because we are all getting benefited by it since we have started using it. Actually he did not say anything bad about Bitcoin and I think that is the only cryptocurrency he trust. What he is talking about is pump and dump altcoins that launch in crypto exchange in which fail in early on after their launch. He is just warning us about the dangers of investing your money into such new altcoins.
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March 04, 2017, 05:38:34 PM |
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You are probably aware of the recent news about removing the fiat money for good and building up the cashless world.
Have you thought that bitcoin maybe the first step of this utopia? What if CIA behind this project? Would you still keep your money as bitcoins? Would you trust them? Do we know who the hell is Satoshi Nakamoto? I suure don't.
There is one big danger ahead. If the paper money gets removed, you will have no choice but to accept to get paid in crypto currencies. And to the big point:
If you keep your money in a goddamn computer, the government can rip you off instantly if they wanted it. I am not saying they aren't doing that already as most of us are keeping *our wealth in the banks. But cryptos will make their jobs easier. Much easier.
What if bitcoin price rises to 1.000.000$ and gold and USD become literally worthless? That's when bitcoin will be the world currency, and people gonna realise that gold is just a stone, USD is just a toilet paper.
Your won't have another choice but to store your money only in crypto, because the other choices will be worthless!
I am not sure if that's a good thing. Being dependent so much on computers just scares me.
In some other ways yo have a point on your statement, since bitcoin is a payment system virtual currency which is the original designed of it, I don't think that in the near future it will fear to anyone. actually its for the convenience of everyone, though it is possible that paper money and gold will be like just a garbage. But you don't need worry to about it ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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March 04, 2017, 07:06:38 PM |
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probably one of the dangers of cryptocurrency is when people need it more than fiat. when it happens, it is likely the country's economic system will be disrupted, since most of the state revenues are also derived from taxes on fiat. when people prefer to use cryptocurrency, then fiat will not have a price.
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March 04, 2017, 11:11:16 PM Last edit: March 05, 2017, 01:33:10 AM by bncbnc |
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probably one of the dangers of cryptocurrency is when people need it more than fiat. when it happens, it is likely the country's economic system will be disrupted, since most of the state revenues are also derived from taxes on fiat. when people prefer to use cryptocurrency, then fiat will not have a price.
but do no think that there will be any wrong effect on the economy of any county if people accept bitcoin. bit i think it will even improve the economic system of a country. because because bitcoin is providing opportunities to get job or make money from trading alt coin.
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March 04, 2017, 11:17:18 PM |
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probably one of the dangers of cryptocurrency is when people need it more than fiat. when it happens, it is likely the country's economic system will be disrupted, since most of the state revenues are also derived from taxes on fiat. when people prefer to use cryptocurrency, then fiat will not have a price.
but do no think that there will be any wrong effect on the economy of any county if people accept bitcoin. At first, I think there will be some political and social instability, as some people will be influenced by governments to fight the expansion of Bitcoin, especially those who do not understand the currency. However, for people it is easier to get information these days, and it would only be a matter of time for such individuals to realize that Bitcoin is not the problem, but the solution.
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March 04, 2017, 11:45:12 PM |
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probably one of the dangers of cryptocurrency is when people need it more than fiat. when it happens, it is likely the country's economic system will be disrupted, since most of the state revenues are also derived from taxes on fiat. when people prefer to use cryptocurrency, then fiat will not have a price.
You are right, I think, This is the worst situation to countries. When everything become digital, No real money. I think this is one of the most danger of cryptocurrency. Maybe we will achieve this moments, when bitcoin price increase more. More people will start using bitcoin, Maybe the 80% or more of the world populations. So real money will be ignored.
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March 05, 2017, 12:02:36 AM |
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probably one of the dangers of cryptocurrency is when people need it more than fiat. when it happens, it is likely the country's economic system will be disrupted, since most of the state revenues are also derived from taxes on fiat. when people prefer to use cryptocurrency, then fiat will not have a price.
You are right, I think, This is the worst situation to countries. When everything become digital, No real money. I think this is one of the most danger of cryptocurrency. Maybe we will achieve this moments, when bitcoin price increase more. More people will start using bitcoin, Maybe the 80% or more of the world populations. So real money will be ignored. As time goes by i think there will be a technology to audit and regulate bitcoin. So don't worry about it, just keep believing in bitcoin and help everything about bitcoin to grow around you . The only problem i concern is when everything done online , it makes everyone vuln to anti-social disease.
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