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June 16, 2013, 06:16:44 PM
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transfer it to your bank account as soon as you can then, because I'd rather have my money in a furnace and hand a 4 year old the on and off switch to play with.
true that, they are really cracking down on anything bitcoin related recently.
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June 16, 2013, 06:42:37 PM
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transfer it to your bank account as soon as you can then, because I'd rather have my money in a furnace and hand a 4 year old the on and off switch to play with.
true that, they are really cracking down on anything bitcoin related recently.
Not really. They kind of hated bitcoin for quite a while.


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July 25, 2013, 06:21:32 PM
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Paypal froze my account when I sent £300 to my partner while I was in the UK and she was in the Philippines.  They lied to me on 3 separate occasions about why and what they were doing to remedy the problem.  I spent a total of about 4 1/2 hours on hold while trying to talk to them about it. They still owe me money and I have to wait 180days to get it back even though no credit cards were involved.  Wild horses would not drag me near Paypal ever again.  Or Western Union and Moneygram for that matter. 

Moneygram have also lied by repeatedly saying that my bank was refusing my debit card.  I got them and Visa on the phone simultaneously while they did the card processing and it turned out that Moneygram cannot process Natwest and Santander Visa Debit cards but they won't tell you when you try to register or use your cards on their website.  It wasn't until I had Visa and Moneygram talking about what was going wrong together on the phone that they fessed up to it. Even afterwards they wouldn't come straight out with it and were trying to insist that my bank was declining my card and it was somehow my fault despite accepting that their payment system was presenting the card details wrongly to Visa.  Given that I had recently got off a flight from the Philippines and used my cards in Manila, in Seoul, Korea, and in Tesco, UK and innumerable coffee shops along the way,and I knew I was well in credit, their argument hardly held water from the start, which is why I checked.

Western Union have blocked me for that same transaction with my partner and implied that it was an illegitimate transaction but would not explain why when challenged to produce any evidence supporting it. 

Moral of the story?  Don't trust Paypal or any other US based payments system, especially if you are a non US citizen sending money to another non US citizen and you are both in non US territories.  You will be treated automatically as stupid and criminal on any occasion where customer support is required.  You will get "Blame the customer and deny everything" as the first line of customer support.  You will always be at a disadvantage because you are not a US citizen in the US.

It's not about whether you meet the requirements for them to do business with you, it's about whether they are fit and proper to be handling your money responsibly with your interests in mind rather than only theirs.

These companies do not fall within the parameters I set for trustworthy and reliable money transfer, PERIOD.
There are plenty of alternatives for bitcoins and fiat transfers with or without currency exchange involved.

Personally, for foreign currency transfers I'd suggest OrbitRemit for small and regular fiat and bitcoins for large occasional amounts.
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July 25, 2013, 09:03:59 PM
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I closed my PayPal account and do not intend to reopen it because I am just against the whole idea of PayPal. I've heard too many horror stories about them and their fascist "business" practises. And Bitcoin for PayPal is a kind of oxymoron for me. They just don't go together very well.

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July 26, 2013, 11:13:29 PM
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I dont know if paypal will ever openly allow users yo exchange bitcoins through them but i read they was concidering allowing users to pay for goods with bitcoins

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August 10, 2013, 08:49:02 AM
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paypal is very scary if you look at it , even the news of refund of BFL from paypal
is changing to refund only for BTC payment.
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August 10, 2013, 01:44:35 PM
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Even tho I never get scammed yet  Grin but yeah I also hate how Paypal works,
just hate the dispute system.
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August 10, 2013, 04:17:32 PM
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Ye paypal is by criminal for criminal
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September 04, 2013, 11:19:52 PM
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Great info. Thanks. Although I have been hearing about BTC for quite some time it is only recently that I have actually started reading about it in detail. It is indeed amazing how many benefits BTC have.
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September 19, 2013, 12:12:59 AM
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Thanks so much for the info! I had heard of people doing this before, but will most likely not be doing it now. I sure wish you could trust people, however it does seem that in most cases (particularly with BTC) if it seems too easy, it's probably a scam. Thanks.

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September 19, 2013, 04:15:12 AM
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What about gift paypal paments? Quick easy no seller commision and unreversible

Paypal keeps a close eye on 'gifted payments'. No ones just recieves 100s of $$$ in gifts from random people from all over the world. After you receive a certain amount of 'gifts' paypal will freeze your account until they decide you can have access to it again!
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November 22, 2013, 08:57:39 AM
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It is understandable Paypal is least liked. What is other option available to buy a few coins just for fun?

Cash? Personal safety concern
Cash deposit? LocalBitcoins is dominating by early adapters w/ established rep and rest just can't find a deal
Exchange? Lengthy process of registration and verification, fees to send small amount, plus voluntarily add yourself to gov bitcoin watchlist.

Any other reliable venues for market priced BTC?

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November 24, 2013, 10:29:10 AM
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It's kind of surprising that people still need educating about Paypal.  I know for a fact they have been stealing money since 2003 as that is when I first had funds frozen by them.  Their policy when your account is suspended is "talk to the hand".  They make some arbitrary decision that your account is tainted, keep the money and refuse to discuss why.  This has been their policy for at least a decade, but muppets continue to sign up and use them.  I am amazed an entrepreneur has not been able to displace them in the market - perhaps bitcoin will assist in this.  If someone can come up with a painless and smooth way to transfer fiat to bitcoin and vica versa, I think they'll make more money than Elon Musk and Satoshi Nakamura combined...
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November 24, 2013, 10:34:59 AM
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It's kind of surprising that people still need educating about Paypal.  I know for a fact they have been stealing money since 2003 as that is when I first had funds frozen by them.  Their policy when your account is suspended is "talk to the hand".  They make some arbitrary decision that your account is tainted, keep the money and refuse to discuss why.  This has been their policy for at least a decade, but muppets continue to sign up and use them.  I am amazed an entrepreneur has not been able to displace them in the market - perhaps bitcoin will assist in this.  If someone can come up with a painless and smooth way to transfer fiat to bitcoin and vica versa, I think they'll make more money than Elon Musk and Satoshi Nakamura combined...
If you follow the rules from paypal you will not got problem at all. I work with pp since 2007, for 7 year now. Got sometime the account frozen, but within a few days is unfrozen again.

If i compare fraud possibility over paypal or creditcard and bitcoin then bitcoin is the winner, is 100% impossible to got your money back, if somebody try to cheating you. If i pay with pp or cc i can claim my money back.

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November 24, 2013, 10:54:48 AM
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If someone is committing fraud then you are correct in stating PP or CC providers are "safe".  The issue I have is that PP have a reputation for making very bad decisions somewhat arbitrarily and not entering into any form of mediation if that decision is against you.

Everyone involved in bitcoin should read the book "The Sovereign Individual - Mastering the Transition to the Information Age" by James Dale Davidson to help them really understand the implication that bitcoin brings to humanity in offering a truly free and unregulated medium of exchange.  The biggest issue that will face this currency in the near team is the opposition of nation states (PP is a proxy of the US government in this regard).

As soon as a sovereign nation gets on board with bitcoin/crypto currencies (Iceland anyone?) and offers safe haven to unregulated free markets with a fair exchange for services to maintain society, I think they will become the leading economy in the world and show other antiquated models the way of the future.  There will be ALOT of opposition to any nation state endorsing crypto currencies by the powers that be, but I think the competitive advantages of any move will attract capital like there is no tomorrow and invalidate any issues over time.

The biggest worry is that the United States will intervene militarily to maintain the status quo of fiat currencies against any state that opens the door to crypto.  This is a real risk - wars could be fought over this in the near future.
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December 23, 2013, 01:58:37 PM
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I did have some problems with buying bitcoins since I did now want to wait until mtgox or btstamp aproves my account. I wanted the coins now.
I looked into localbitcoins.com but I considered the price to be way to high compared to other payment processors.
I then found bitcoini.com an bulgarian website that sells and buys bitcoins via wire transfer. I made the deposit and then realised that there is nothing that can make this transaction 100% safe, I was relieng on trust for this transaction to go forward. 12 hours later I had my bitcoins for trade. I am very happy the guy did not run off with my money.
Be carefull from where and whom you buy your bitcoins from, for now you have to be patient when you change FIAT to BTC!
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December 28, 2013, 05:29:39 PM
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Yes, because PayPal operates almost exactly like a bank.  They are a bank.  Just say it. I use PayPal, and now PayPal is a bank. 

Ok then.  I stand to be frozen out because of the products I sell, and bitcoin use....

But this is not the first time pp an I have danced....you need to know how to grab them by the ear and get what you need.  Still, they are almost worse than a bank.  At least if there's a problem at the bank, even if the screw you, there's a guy to hold accountable.....

YES! Game on, PayPal.  You see, they really don't care about the mom and pop shops on ebay and etsy--- you are small change.  They will just freeze your account ALL THE WHILE EARNING INTEREST ON YOUR FUNDS.

Were about to do a reversal on that institution.  Mark my words.

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December 29, 2013, 03:34:58 PM
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@Snappahead Briefly that's basically something similar moreover they will become the leading economy in the world and show other antiquated models the way of the future and that's all !

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December 30, 2013, 10:55:47 AM
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It is clearly mentioned on paypal terms, so we must not use this for exchange.
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April 04, 2014, 07:36:42 AM
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Isn't the risk of buying bitcoins with paypal the same risk as buying anything else with paypal?  What is considered to be the safest way to do this other than going to someone in person and making sure you get the cash in hand?

It's not the risk of buying bitcoins with paypal - it's the risk of selling bitcoins for paypal.  Example:  you sell me 1 bitcoin and I buy it by paying you $100 thru paypal.  Once I receive the bitcoin from you I file a dispute on paypal.  Paypal reverses the transaction and gives me back my $100.  Now I have 1 Bitcoin I didn't have to start with, and my $100 in my paypal account.  You on the other hand have lost 1 bitcoin and have no additional money in paypal.

Well you do have some point there, been there before..Actually there are still a lot of scammers that do this trick.. However, I think you cant try to bypass these dispute. I think I heard that there are specific days in which the sender of the money in Paypal can file disputes. But you would be so lucky if they would do it..lol.. Thanks for this information mate.. It do help a lot in understanding how risky Paypal is.

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