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May 04, 2013, 02:40:17 PM
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I will say I paid in full for more than just my Little Single.

Thank you Luke.

Now we are down to semantics, was the unit delivered to you LukeJr or did you pick it up ?

Excellent! Now we have Luke-jr agreeing that the bet should have been called a Win. Read the bet:

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This bet concerns the 3 Butterfly Labs Bitforce SC products announced here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87934.msg966886#msg966886

which leads to:

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1)    BitForce SC Jalapeno: a USB powered coffee warmer providing 3.5 GH/s, priced at under $149
2)    BitForce SC Single: a standalone unit providing roughly 40 GH/s, priced at $1,299
3)    BitForce SC Mini Rig: a case & rack mount server providing 1 TH/s, priced at $29,899

Notice that the Little Single that Luke-jr "received" is not listed, and thus cannot be considered for the bet.

You are wasting your breath. Mem is a dishonest piece of shit, he's here strictly to fish for possible reasons he might use to justify - no matter how superficially - propping this scamsite.

He's trolling some other thread looking for the exact reverse, possible reasons he might use to justify - no matter how superficially - mislabeling the one actual betting site as a scam. (He's not listed it at all for the past...3 months or so. Apparently the fact that BitBet killed Betsofbitco.in in the marketplace is kinda difficult to swallow for his employer.)

He has a history of shady dealing of this sort. His concern is singular: to somehow scrape together something which which may be confused with an argument in favor of his sponsors by noobs/clueless people. That is all.

Shilling, in other words.

PS. Mem, you might as well go make a new handle. This one is screwed.

If mem ignores what has been pointed out by myself and Syke, then it seems what you say would be true.

If he's going to do that he probably shouldn't have even posted in the first place. Reason being that if he doesn't acknowledge the true facts that are laid out in this thread it will be hard evidence showing that the list is a sham.

Obviously if he comes to his senses and actually looks at what has gone on here that won't be the case. And he won't lose credibility from this specific thread. Although there seem to be other things going on that I wasn't aware of before that do not pertain to the matter we are discussing now.
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May 06, 2013, 03:14:31 AM
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If mem ignores what has been pointed out by myself and Syke, then it seems what you say would be true.

If he's going to do that he probably shouldn't have even posted in the first place. Reason being that if he doesn't acknowledge the true facts that are laid out in this thread it will be hard evidence showing that the list is a sham.

Obviously if he comes to his senses and actually looks at what has gone on here that won't be the case. And he won't lose credibility from this specific thread. Although there seem to be other things going on that I wasn't aware of before that do not pertain to the matter we are discussing now.

The decision has already been made, dont like it email me with your reasoned argument.

Quoting that racist scammer MPO-ER is not doing you any favours.

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May 06, 2013, 03:23:40 AM
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Addressing the lies in this thread:

You are wasting your breath. Mem is a dishonest piece of shit,

Oh really, quote me one time where I lied.

Im quoting one of your lies right now you lying piece of shit.

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he's here strictly to fish for possible reasons he might use to justify - no matter how superficially - propping this scamsite.
Nope, its why I striked them out of the list until I felt the matter was resolved after hearing from all parties involved. They now have a permanent asterix next to their name as does bitbet.us.

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He's trolling some other thread looking for the exact reverse, possible reasons he might use to justify
Lying again, you were caught out ripping off clients on your own site - this is why your spending so much time here trying to fling shit on betsofbitco.in.

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Apparently the fact that BitBet killed Betsofbitco.in in the marketplace is kinda difficult to swallow for his employer.)

Wow, you really are delusional arent you.

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He has a history of shady dealing of this sort.

Provide quotes or again prove  that you are a liar.

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His concern is singular: to somehow scrape together something which which may be confused with an argument in favor of his sponsors by noobs/clueless people. That is all.
That is a very apt description of yourself, my what a warped twisted mind you have.

Unlike yourself I have been asking for citations the entire time, Im used to dealing with liars like yourself - its why I cant operate on what 1 player claims, I need proof.

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PS. Mem, you might as well go make a new handle. This one is screwed.
Im here for the long haul Smiley Keep trying your best to destroy my character by lying about me.

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Reason being that if he doesn't acknowledge the true facts that are laid out in this thread

What true facts, where is this summary you claim and links and quotes to back it up.

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May 06, 2013, 03:27:14 AM
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• Before April 1st 2013, at least one BFL customer with a bitcointalk.org forum account established prior to the bet's opening date shall post detailed and credible photos of the device on the forum, including photos of it operating, and report its hashrate. This customer cannot be a BFL employee.

So my only remaining question at this point is, was LukeJr a customer of BFL ?

Yes = outcome FALSE
No = outcome TRUE

Regarding the bet being hosted despite being open to interpretation - very very bad form on the part of betsofbitco.in - this makes them (in this instance at least) incompetent but not scammers.

Myself and a workmate both were eyeing off this bet but decided against it due to the wording being to vague.
If this kind of thing keeps happening I do not see a future for bitcoin wagering sites.



Bolded the important part in red those like MrPOO-ER who have obvious reading disabilities.

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May 06, 2013, 05:00:12 AM
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Reason being that if he doesn't acknowledge the true facts that are laid out in this thread

What true facts, where is this summary you claim and links and quotes to back it up.

This:

I will say I paid in full for more than just my Little Single.

Excellent! Now we have Luke-jr agreeing that the bet should have been called a Win. Read the bet:

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This bet concerns the 3 Butterfly Labs Bitforce SC products announced here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87934.msg966886#msg966886

which leads to:

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1)    BitForce SC Jalapeno: a USB powered coffee warmer providing 3.5 GH/s, priced at under $149
2)    BitForce SC Single: a standalone unit providing roughly 40 GH/s, priced at $1,299
3)    BitForce SC Mini Rig: a case & rack mount server providing 1 TH/s, priced at $29,899

Notice that the Little Single that Luke-jr "received" is not listed, and thus cannot be considered for the bet.

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May 06, 2013, 05:50:24 PM
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If mem ignores what has been pointed out by myself and Syke, then it seems what you say would be true.

If he's going to do that he probably shouldn't have even posted in the first place. Reason being that if he doesn't acknowledge the true facts that are laid out in this thread it will be hard evidence showing that the list is a sham.

Obviously if he comes to his senses and actually looks at what has gone on here that won't be the case. And he won't lose credibility from this specific thread. Although there seem to be other things going on that I wasn't aware of before that do not pertain to the matter we are discussing now.

The decision has already been made, dont like it email me with your reasoned argument.

Quoting that racist scammer MPO-ER is not doing you any favours.


Well obviously the truth is of no concern to you. Good luck with you list and congratulations on proving beyond a reasonable doubt that you are a shill.
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May 06, 2013, 05:56:26 PM
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Actually, I don't even know if you're even smart enough to be a shill and actually get paid for providing misinformation. I'm not sure what you are but I'm honestly not too surprised. This being bitcoin and all...
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May 06, 2013, 07:25:05 PM
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Thoughts recently:

1)  Mem - stop accusing racism vs. MPOE - IMO it's clouding discussion of issues.  Even if you personally feel this way, I can assure you others do not, and it's cheapening the brand of your gambling list.  IMO keep it just to gambling.

2)  MPOE - stop antagonizing mem, in general.  Ignore if you must, but don't cheapen your own brand by engaging.  I make this mistake all the damn time.

3)  Luke-Jr will continue to shill for BFL, especially if he believes this is the fast track to his personal order fulfillment.  I have heard rumors he is religious, so this blatant denial of the truth should come easily and I doubt he will ever reverse himself.

4)  It is quite a leap of faith (pun intended) to qualify Luke-Jr in the "customer" category.    He holds a valuable piece to the BFL puzzle in customizing bitcoin mining software to run on BFL hardware.  By any definition his relations with BFL has been much deeper a customer.  Work-for-first-miner, or any other barter of that manner certainly puts BFL as a customer of Luke-jr.

Mem, as a decade+ professional gambler I have seen many bets settled fairly and a handful settled unfairly.

This is outright fraud or at the very worst gross incompetence.   If betsofbitco.in continues to be listed on your list as "not a total scam" or at the very least with a strong warning and link to this thread then you will have cheapened the brand that is your list. 

IMO the decision is not close here.



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May 07, 2013, 02:09:54 AM
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Thoughts recently:

1)  Mem - stop accusing racism vs. MPOE - IMO it's clouding discussion of issues.  Even if you personally feel this way, I can assure you others do not, and it's cheapening the brand of your gambling list.  IMO keep it just to gambling.

Nope, you may be fine with casual racism - I am not.


2)  MPOE - stop antagonizing mem, in general.  Ignore if you must, but don't cheapen your own brand by engaging.  I make this mistake all the damn time.

LOL "brand".

3)  Luke-Jr will continue to shill for BFL, especially if he believes this is the fast track to his personal order fulfillment.  I have heard rumors he is religious, so this blatant denial of the truth should come easily and I doubt he will ever reverse himself.

What exactly does someones faith have to do with this Micon ?

Mem, as a decade+ professional gambler I have seen many bets settled fairly and a handful settled unfairly.

Whoop de fucking do da.

This is outright fraud or at the very worst gross incompetence.   If betsofbitco.in continues to be listed on your list as "not a total scam" or at the very least with a strong warning and link to this thread then you will have cheapened the brand that is your list.  

You precious primadona, I need clear facts not a soapbox speech.
Had you bothered to check betsofbitco.in now has an asterix next to their name linking to this thread. This is permanent.

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May 07, 2013, 02:20:09 AM
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Now back to the facts at hand.

The current outstanding issues are:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=755&d=1364793240 luke achieving 24.85GH on https://products.butterflylabs.com/30gh-bitcoin-miner.html which at the time the bet was made was advertised as 40gh.

Regardless of delivery method, the model delivered was not one of the original SC line up but one added after the afterwards when they failed to achieve their original quoted performance.

It did not meet hash rate of the  BitForce SC Single model of 40GH or equal to or greater than 75% of 40GH (30GH).

The description clearly states the bet concerns the 3 products described here: http://news.yahoo.com/butterfly-labs-announces-next-generation-asic-lineup-054626776.html

BFL Josh has confirmed the following (thank you josh):
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Yes, the product was the first Little Single we produced.
regarding lukes order.

Coinjedi makes the following argument after I have raised these facts with him:

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As far as we can tell the hashrate claims have changed several times. Their mid-range product is split into two from 40 Gh/s to 30 and 60 products, long before the bet deadline.



Am I missing anything, Micon do you want to waffle on about someones religion a bit ? MrPOO-ER want to spew more lies ? Players anymore actual verifiable content you care to provide ?



My final line of enquiry is to ask BFL to provide a timeline of when the quoted GH changed on the models.

My personal opinion at this stage is that the bet conditions were not met due to lukes model not being one of the 3 products identified in the description.
Interpreting Coinjedi's response It seems that bet conditions can change during the bet - this is quite concerning and I have asked for this to be confirmed or futher explained.

Comments please.



Id like to thank Syke for taking the time to discuss this issue in detail with me over google chat.
For anyone else wanting to discuss this with me directly hit me up on (mem.namefix at gmail.com) if you want chat about this or just feeling lonely ? Smiley

Also thanks to Inaba for confirming LukeJr's order.

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August 24, 2013, 02:34:34 PM
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His is this scam tag going?

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August 25, 2013, 08:14:59 AM
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His is this scam tag going?

LOL WUT.

Seriously, the "scammer" tag is just for people who piss off the idiots who "moderate" (if you can call what these idiots do moderation) these boards. 

Otherwise, you can steal and lie and cheat all you like.  You will not get a scammer tag.  Does Inaba have a scammer tag?  Can you think of a bigger lying thief on this board?
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April 09, 2014, 10:19:59 PM
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In case you all haven't noticed, his website betsofbitco.in is entirely down.  And, no, he did not refund unresolved bets.  So, yes, the complainers were right about him all along.  I'm sure he's not coindarkside now or something else stupid.  There is an almighty and I can tell you no amount of bitcoin would make me want to piss him off by stealing.  There's also this thing called Karma and I've heard she's a bigger bitch than a woman scorned.  I'll sleep easy tonight but coinjedi should not be.
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In case you all haven't noticed, his website betsofbitco.in is entirely down.  And, no, he did not refund unresolved bets.  So, yes, the complainers were right about him all along.  I'm sure he's not coindarkside now or something else stupid.  There is an almighty and I can tell you no amount of bitcoin would make me want to piss him off by stealing.  There's also this thing called Karma and I've heard she's a bigger bitch than a woman scorned.  I'll sleep easy tonight but coinjedi should not be.

What a shocker.  Where are the defenders of these crooks now?  I guess somewhere off with the defenders of pirateat40, BFL, Mt. Gox and all the other Bitcoin scammers out there giving Bitcoin a shit name.
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April 22, 2014, 01:12:45 AM
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aaaaaaand....

... coinjedi ran with the funds.

#NotShocked

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/211yss/betsofbitcoin_down_probably_stolen_users_coins/





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While I think a case can be made for their call on the BFL bet being incompetence rather than scamming (bettors got their money back in a push) it looks like this latest situation of shutting down the site without giving users their coins moves them into scam territory.  Too bad as I really liked what they were trying to do with the site.

Nice job calling them out so early.
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While I think a case can be made for their call on the BFL bet being incompetence rather than scamming (bettors got their money back in a push) it looks like this latest situation of shutting down the site without giving users their coins moves them into scam territory.  Too bad as I really liked what they were trying to do with the site.

Nice job calling them out so early.
So.. bitbet.us
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