the Atheist Delusion

[Jordan23]

First of all apologies if I offend anyone with my views, it is not my intent.

I personally believe religion is one of the best "Arguments" (Excuses is a better word) for the universe being. Instead of using only science which currently says the big bang caused things to form without knowing what was before the big bang religion says everything is how it is because of X reason/person who operate on a higher level of being to us.
That being said I believe there is definitely things that humans aren't on a level to understand, think unexplained coincidences or senses that plants have and humans don't, in saying this I don't believe in any god, just that there is 'more' to the universe.

Science doesn't say Big Bang caused the universe. Some scientists and the media say that. They use science theory, not science fact. Science fact says God created the universe. How does science say this?

Cause and effect is science fact, upheld by Newton's 3rd Law, which has only been slightly weakened by science theory, which is not known to be fact. Cause and effect say that there has to be a Great First Cause. Because there is intelligence in the universe, the Great First Cause must have been intelligent. (The fact that cause and effect works in EVERYTHING shows the the Great First Cause is intelligent and powerful way beyond understanding.)

There can be no such thing as "before" the Big Bang because time did not exist as we know it before the Big Bang, or even during it. In the same way, we cannot really say "before" the creation, because whatever is outside of the universe doesn't necessarily behave according to the laws of the universe; we know very little about the laws of the universe.

Don't get me wrong. I agree that you are going in the right direction. I am just expanding on what you have said.

I created the God that created the Universe. I win.

[BADecker]

First of all apologies if I offend anyone with my views, it is not my intent.

I personally believe religion is one of the best "Arguments" (Excuses is a better word) for the universe being. Instead of using only science which currently says the big bang caused things to form without knowing what was before the big bang religion says everything is how it is because of X reason/person who operate on a higher level of being to us.
That being said I believe there is definitely things that humans aren't on a level to understand, think unexplained coincidences or senses that plants have and humans don't, in saying this I don't believe in any god, just that there is 'more' to the universe.

Science doesn't say Big Bang caused the universe. Some scientists and the media say that. They use science theory, not science fact. Science fact says God created the universe. How does science say this?

Cause and effect is science fact, upheld by Newton's 3rd Law, which has only been slightly weakened by science theory, which is not known to be fact. Cause and effect say that there has to be a Great First Cause. Because there is intelligence in the universe, the Great First Cause must have been intelligent. (The fact that cause and effect works in EVERYTHING shows the the Great First Cause is intelligent and powerful way beyond understanding.)

There can be no such thing as "before" the Big Bang because time did not exist as we know it before the Big Bang, or even during it. In the same way, we cannot really say "before" the creation, because whatever is outside of the universe doesn't necessarily behave according to the laws of the universe; we know very little about the laws of the universe.

Don't get me wrong. I agree that you are going in the right direction. I am just expanding on what you have said.

I created the God that created the Universe. I win.

You are young and reasonably healthy and strong, now. But when your strength has faded, remember the God Who created you, before it is too late.

[BADecker]

Being an atheist is almost as fool as believing and worshipping the common Bible God.

Why? because both are the same, both persons have this brain laziness to accept opinions from others without doing an exhaustive research from it.

Don't tell us that you are a Muslim, and that's why you haven't done the research into the Bible or atheism.

Research on Bible?, Bible old testament is another bunch of opinions from people living centuries ago, do a research in yourself, deep within your heart and you will find truth.

Lol. You made my day. Bible old testament is a compilation of history and biography that lives on B.C century. I don't see any opinion out there. In fact it is full of propecy and wisdom of kings and prophets. I think you are not a fan of bible. But please made research first before you post non sense here

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Why someone must be dead for disobeying their parents? only because someone wrote it on an old book with an inspiration of some "God"?

Why do you people follow stuff and rules only because someone wrote them with the supposed inspiration of God?  

How do you know he is God? what proofs are there, I'm absolutely not saying God doesnt exist, what I'm questioning is why do you accept the God of the Bible as the only one or the strongest when in genesis it clearly speaks of Gods in plural, it means the entity portrayed there is not unique.

Well you know... because that CHRISTIAN person wasn't born in Africa or middle east or anywhere else where the christianity isn't the main religion. Old testament rules should not apply to the modern day and age, it's heavily outdated and it should just remain a simple book without any obligations to take it seriously, just like Harry Potter or any other fantasy book. The new testament is the same story, altho the people don't live for 5k years and so but it has it's own stupidity, like the christian Gandalf and stuff.

There are many Christians in Africa, who were born there.

Old Testament rules and laws are some of the best around. They offer freedom to the nation that follows them. However, there are O.T. rules and laws that were made for ancient Israel government. There are O.T. ceremonial laws that were set in place to point to the coming of Jesus. Those laws are not requirements any longer.

The O.T. laws that are requirements are the moral laws. Why? Because people have not changed physically and mentally much since the Beginning. Like as the laws of nature fit people, even so the moral laws of the O.T. fit people. Disobeying both, natural laws and O.T. moral laws, will bring trouble onto the disobedient people.

We can't truly deny that there is no god(s), I'm not a religious person, I don't believe in anything, theisticly, but I can't truly deny that there might be something on the level above us, I'm not speaking of any gods that we know, none have proven to exist, but something else, something different from what we know.

The knowledge of God is deep down in the heart of every person. But there are few people who know themselves close to that depth.

[BADecker]

Being an atheist is almost as fool as believing and worshipping the common Bible God.

Why? because both are the same, both persons have this brain laziness to accept opinions from others without doing an exhaustive research from it.

Don't tell us that you are a Muslim, and that's why you haven't done the research into the Bible or atheism.

Research on Bible?, Bible old testament is another bunch of opinions from people living centuries ago, do a research in yourself, deep within your heart and you will find truth.

Lol. You made my day. Bible old testament is a compilation of history and biography that lives on B.C century. I don't see any opinion out there. In fact it is full of propecy and wisdom of kings and prophets. I think you are not a fan of bible. But please made research first before you post non sense here

History is irrelevant there as it doesnt even mentions exact dates but the useless opinions I speak of are this ones:

That's an interesting opinion you have there. Are you trying to say if it doesn't have a date to it, that it didn't happen?

Death penalty as Bible says for each one of this acts:

Male-male sexual intercourse[16]
One man picked up sticks on the Sabbath, he was taken into custody because a punishment was not known. The LORD told Moses that the man in custody must be killed. This particular crime and punishment is isolated case law.(Numbers 15:32–36)
The man and woman when a man meets a betrothed woman in town and sleeps with her. But if it is a case of rape where out in the country she called for help and no one heard, the death penalty only applies to the man[17]
A woman who is found not to have been a virgin on the night of her wedding[18]
Worshiping other gods[19][20]
Witchcraft (Exodus 22:18)
Taking the LORD's name in vain or cursing his name[21]
Cursing a parent[22][23][24]
Kidnapping[25]
Disobeying a parent[26]


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Why someone must be dead for disobeying their parents? only because someone wrote it on an old book with an inspiration of some "God"?

God has power and strength. The people saw and heard the power and strength of God in miracles. How do we know? Because the Bible could not exist as it does without the strength and power of God making it exist. Learn to understand why God says what He does in His Book. But if you can't figure out why, at least obey it so that you can live.

Why do you people follow stuff and rules only because someone wrote them with the supposed inspiration of God?  

Strength and Power, as shown by the miracles written in the Bible, the miracle of the way the Bible came about, and the miracle that is the nation of Israel, even today.

How do you know he is God? what proofs are there, I'm absolutely not saying God doesnt exist, what I'm questioning is why do you accept the God of the Bible as the only one or the strongest when in genesis it clearly speaks of Gods in plural, it means the entity portrayed there is not unique.

There are 3 persons in God. These 3 all exist and act with exactly the same thinking and goals. Together they are One God. But because they are all acting the same, each one of them is completely God in Himself, even though there is only One God.

[BADecker]

Being an atheist is almost as fool as believing and worshipping the common Bible God.

Why? because both are the same, both persons have this brain laziness to accept opinions from others without doing an exhaustive research from it.

Don't tell us that you are a Muslim, and that's why you haven't done the research into the Bible or atheism.

Research on Bible?, Bible old testament is another bunch of opinions from people living centuries ago, do a research in yourself, deep within your heart and you will find truth.

Lol. You made my day. Bible old testament is a compilation of history and biography that lives on B.C century. I don't see any opinion out there. In fact it is full of propecy and wisdom of kings and prophets. I think you are not a fan of bible. But please made research first before you post non sense here

Please research the history of the Bible. For example. The Dead Sea scrolls show that the Hebrew Old Testament of around 400 B.C. was the same as the Hebrew Old Testament of today. But they only had printing presses since around 1500 A.D.  So, how did the O.T. stay the same over longer than the thousand years before the printing press? People copied it by hand, faithfully and accurately. Why did they copy it faithfully and accurately over more than a thousand years? Because there is strength in the words of the Bible... God-strength.

There is God-strength in the New Testament, as well.

[Przemax]

I just have a question for "non deluded" religious people. Have you studied all sacred books and all mythologies, and all religious knowledge before you "decided" that its worth believing what you are believing? If not its called ignorance otherwise some kind of delusion you dont need to know to believe stuff.

I as an agnostic that doesnt believe in dogma I can say that havnt read all of those sacred texts. And my integrity is fine with that.

[BADecker]

Believing or assuming some one God exist is not so much illogical and im absolutely fine with it. What I have a problem with is religions. If you think your God is the only one and any others are false just because you were born were you were born, is such an absurdal self lobotomy that it should just be ommited with silence.

I checked my pockets, the cupboards, the closets, even out in the shed, and I couldn't find any god that I had there.

The God of the universe is the only God. People have different ideas and opinions about Him. The strongest ideas about God are found in the Bible, and they are way stronger than the next strongest, that you can find in some of the writings from India or China. Of course, there are many idols.

Islam is a religion of fear. In general, the only reason why Islam exists and grows is, if any Muslim turns away from Islam, he is in danger of being executed by his fellow Muslims. And if any person who is NOT a Muslim lives among Muslims, he better become a Muslim, or he is in danger of losing his life.

[Przemax]

Why do you call other Gods idols and your god not a mere idol?

Islam is a religion of fear. In general, the only reason why Islam exists and grows is, if any Muslim turns away from Islam, he is in danger of being executed by his fellow Muslims. And if any person who is NOT a Muslim lives among Muslims, he better become a Muslim, or he is in danger of losing his life.

Have you studied all the books of Quoran?

you can find in some of the writings from India or China. Of course, there are many idols.

Have you studied Weds, asked Brahmans or Buddhists monks?

If God exists its the God that all religions can agree with. Other than that its quite illogical to assume anything if you dont have an awesome knowledge about the religion you want to dwarf.

[BADecker]

Why do you call other Gods idols and your god not a mere idol?

Islam is a religion of fear. In general, the only reason why Islam exists and grows is, if any Muslim turns away from Islam, he is in danger of being executed by his fellow Muslims. And if any person who is NOT a Muslim lives among Muslims, he better become a Muslim, or he is in danger of losing his life.

Have you studied all the books of Quoran?

you can find in some of the writings from India or China. Of course, there are many idols.

Have you studied Weds, asked Brahmans or Buddhists monks?

If God exists its the God that all religions can agree with. Other than that its quite illogical to assume anything if you dont have an awesome knowledge about the religion you want to dwarf.

As I expressed in other posts, knowledge of the real God, the only God, exists is in the hearts of all people. Nobody knows a whole lot about God. Much of the knowledge about God is things that we could not understand in this life, because we don't have the ability.

Even though my studies are limited in other religions, I am satisfied that the Bible is God's word, by the strength that it imparts in many ways.

Certainly the god that Islam portrays is the silliest of the major portrayals of God in all religions. Why? Muslims don't even realize that they don't have a religion of peace in Islam - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm.

[Przemax]

I assume every religion is wrong and God is in my head not a heart. I believe in some form of a creator, or at least a force that created us and is not yet dead. But i see religions as a spawns of illogical demons that fight with eachother.

My "god" the one I would like to worship is the God of logic so to speak. I wouldnt worship a God that defy the world he created. Thats some kind of monster in my eyes.

[BADecker]

I assume every religion is wrong and God is in my head not a heart. I believe in some form of a creator, or at least a force that created us and is not yet dead. But i see religions as a spawns of illogical demons that fight with eachother.

My "god" the one I would like to worship is the God of logic so to speak. I wouldnt worship a God that defy the world he created. Thats some kind of monster in my eyes.

That's an interesting religion you have there. Since you assume it is wrong, why do you even post it?

[Tyrantt]

I just have a question for "non deluded" religious people. Have you studied all sacred books and all mythologies, and all religious knowledge before you "decided" that its worth believing what you are believing? If not its called ignorance otherwise some kind of delusion you dont need to know to believe stuff.

I as an agnostic that doesnt believe in dogma I can say that havnt read all of those sacred texts. And my integrity is fine with that.

It's interesting how none of the religion users made a reply to this post. Excellent post. Religion is just a geography, nothing more. Changing a religion later is just personal taste over nothing. Of course they didn't tho, I don't think anyuone ever will. There's so, so many gods it's unbelivable that only one is the true one and the rest are crap.

[BADecker]

I just have a question for "non deluded" religious people. Have you studied all sacred books and all mythologies, and all religious knowledge before you "decided" that its worth believing what you are believing? If not its called ignorance otherwise some kind of delusion you dont need to know to believe stuff.

I as an agnostic that doesnt believe in dogma I can say that havnt read all of those sacred texts. And my integrity is fine with that.

It's interesting how none of the religion users made a reply to this post. Excellent post. Religion is just a geography, nothing more. Changing a religion later is just personal taste over nothing. Of course they didn't tho, I don't think anyuone ever will. There's so, so many gods it's unbelivable that only one is the true one and the rest are crap.

Since the major religions are spread all over the world, how is religion just a geography? What does that mean?

Religion is simply a formal method for clarifying understanding. When clarification in a religion becomes strong enough, it is called dogma. This is part of the reason atheism is a religion.

There is only one God. All the religions are attempting to find a correct understanding of Him. Even atheism seeks to make mankind into the God, though they don't realize that this is what they are doing. It just so happens that the christian religion has a far greater understanding of God than any of the others, and many of the others have even turned their gods into idols because they are so far from a correct understanding of God.