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[lite]

I think duckdice should update the bonus system. it can be like this - actual balance and bonus balance, players will first have to wager/lose all their actual balance to activate bonus balance and when they 100% complete wagering requirement it'll become actual balance(just like fortunejack). what do you guys think?

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[Avirunes]

I think duckdice should update the bonus system. it can be like this - actual balance and bonus balance, players will first have to wager/lose all their actual balance to activate bonus balance and when they 100% complete wagering requirement it'll become actual balance(just like fortunejack). what do you guys think?

Edit: Statement is completely incorrect (bolded parts)

On allowing a bonus, bonus should be added and a pop-up should appear notifying that user is playing with his actual balance and not bonus balance. Whatever he loses/profits should cut/add in his actual balance. Once he is finished wagering and has unlocked it bonus should be added should be considered as actual balance.

Notifying users is necessary so that users are aware of it and don't feel like they are playing in a shady site.

The bonus had certain flaws but i don't think it was set up to cheat users but they wanted to stop users who were cheating claiming bonus multiple times and come up with striking balance .(as what I got from 1982dre's post in the scam accusation thread)

[marlboroza]

I think duckdice should update the bonus system. it can be like this - actual balance and bonus balance, players will first have to wager/lose all their actual balance to activate bonus balance and when they 100% complete wagering requirement it'll become actual balance(just like fortunejack). what do you guys think?

Statement is completely incorrect (bolded parts)

Actually lite is right, in FJ you do have to lose your balance to activate bonus and after that wager it.
I think bonus system is not good here. It's crazy to allow players to cancel bonus and then take all their balance. Something should be changed here.

For example if you lose your bonus and then you decide to cancel it then you will lose your main balance too.
Or in this case if you don't lose bonus and you decide to cancel it then your main balance will remain the same but bonus and all winnings which are made from bonus will be removed.
Any thoughts?

[jamyr]

Yeah, adding more detail terms about the "bonus cancellation" will be good for both players and duckdice. Terms like what will happen if a player decide to cancel the bonus when....(may happen in some scenarios)
One more thing that I missed from this deposit bonus terms, if a player take the bonus so which balance will be used first? The initial deposit first or the bonus first?

Just adding a 'last-warning' or one more confirmatory pop-up would do it.

Regarding you question about the bonus, if you deposit 1 btc and activated bonus(120% bonus for example), your total starting balance will be 2.2btc. So both original depo and bonus are used at the same time

There is an extra popup with a notification how much you lose after cancelling. If people just don't read and click OK, then it's not duckdice who scams.

What I mean is an extra confirmatory pop-up on top of the existing one.

Something that would put duckdice in a better position because with this feature that I am suggesting, a player cannot just say it is just mis-clicked or so.

I guess they will be adding more confirmatory pop up. I heard they will either cancel entire bonus also. Heard lot of rumours, hopefully Stan will make an announcement soon.

[gerasrocha]

Bonus here are really nice, and it´s obvious they need to prevent abusers and in case they keep giving a bonus the rules may be like they are, on slots sites when they give a bonus the wager requeirment are X40 in avg. DuckDice is a doce site and X110 wager requeirment it´s fair for both parts, people want same requeirments than other sites but they forgot that the other sites just give bonus on slots games.

hope this site keep growing and good luck all!!

[negrito]

I like DuckDice.. before I always had rain everyday but now I have nothing. maybe becauce I dont deposit. But faucet is good and friendly players.

[moooonu]

I like DuckDice.. before I always had rain everyday but now I have nothing. maybe becauce I dont deposit. But faucet is good and friendly players.

none wants to give free money to users that don't play any role towards the site else than chatting and collecting rains. Try to make a good amount of deposit and have features unlocked

[Barcode_]

I like DuckDice.. before I always had rain everyday but now I have nothing. maybe becauce I dont deposit. But faucet is good and friendly players.

Yes, there were some changes made to the rain system in duckdice.io, players that deposit to the site will stand a higher chance to catch the rain now, I think this is a good system that would encourage more players to deposit to the site and it is more fair to the players who deposit their own money to play.

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[BTCevo]

I am the biggest winner in duckdice.io  Their shady feature made me cancel my 9 BITCOIN balance and the admin didn't help.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2022797.0

So you cancelled the bonus without reading the warning ?? What did you expect? That you got your original deposit?? If they do that everyone just wager the bonus and cancel when they don't hit big and withdraw on deposit again and try again.

This is not matter of playing again or not but what I do know here, usually there is some notification if they want to cancel their bonus. It is like pop up message said that if you cancel it you will lose all your balance. It just like locked our balance thorugh your site. So people will think twice before they want to cancel it. But on this site I do not saw anything like that may be you should add this notifications

Btw on this matter, I can say the ToS tricks people too and Ojafejw did not even asking about it. May be OP need to clear something here before issues spread

Yeah, adding more detail terms about the "bonus cancellation" will be good for both players and duckdice. Terms like what will happen if a player decide to cancel the bonus when....(may happen in some scenarios)
One more thing that I missed from this deposit bonus terms, if a player take the bonus so which balance will be used first? The initial deposit first or the bonus first?

Yeah that is true but usually people are not even take a look into their ToS, this is where some sites will take the advantages and try to even scam for big win from the site.

About your question, I think you will get 120% overall and when it comes to use it, usually you will use up your real balance first then the bonus. But in this case you need to wagered X amount and if cancel it you will lose both of it. So I think no matter which balance is used first you will never get your money back unless you complete the wagering requirement

[moooonu]

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Hey I just saw you got negative feedback. That isn't good at all for the site. Short out the matter asap(just a suggestion).

[jamyr]

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Hey I just saw you got negative feedback. That isn't good at all for the site. Short out the matter asap(just a suggestion).

Duckdice have answered in the scam-accusation thread and have been open to ideas of the community. Nothing more to talk about a player who failed to read the pop-up message.

Regarding the game 'the last man standing', why not change it to the last duck quacking. LoL

[actmyname]

Duckdice have answered in the scam-accusation thread and have been open to ideas of the community. Nothing more to talk about a player who failed to read the pop-up message.

Indeed more to talk about.


DuckDice sent me a PM to which I had responded 2 days ago. They have yet to reply to my concerns.

Hey man,

you had many interesting insights on how bonuses should work, what is your site actually?

I don't have one.

and a few words regarding the scam topic, this one is a bit of a principle position because the guy tried to blackmail us from the first second and honestly speaking we don't believe that he missed a confirmation screen, so the only answer here is that he knew exact amount to subtracted but wanted to do it anyway and get a full refund later.
We don't want to make such precedent.

Supposing that the 'locked balance' only counts positive profit and not losses, if one, for example, loses and gains 1 BTC upon a 1 BTC deposit and bonus, then will the locked balance then show 2 BTC?

If this is what you are suggesting then I find it illogical. The locked balance should count both profit and loss. After all, at the end of it, you're not unlocking the 'locked balance' but rather the player balance at the time. There was already another idea mentioned, where one wagers their own balance first. That would be superior to this in terms of how bonuses work.

Consider the following:

A random player deposits 1 BTC and chooses the 120% bonus. The wagering requirement is 132 BTC.
The player chooses 0.25 BTC bets, winning 16 times and losing 20.

That is a gross profit of 4 BTC and a net loss of 1 BTC.

The player is left with 1.2 BTC and decides to bet 1 BTC to break even. They win.

Gross profit: 5 BTC  |  Net loss: 0 BTC

The player sees the locked balance at 5 BTC. They are now forced to play. That's unfair.

If he would just agree to make one more deposit (we actually never asked to deposit 5btc, anything above 0.01btc is eligible) we would've just add his amount as a bonus as a "consolation".

You couldn't have reverted anything to back when the bonus was active?

If they simply made the bonus conditions such that one wagered their own balance before the bonus, then all would be well and this situation would be over.

[jamyr]

Nice bonus suggestions @actmyname,

If they simply made the bonus conditions such that one wagered their own balance before the bonus, then all would be well and this situation would be over.

But I don't think the one who 'lost' his balance would agree without getting anything

You see, in my opinion they don't force everyone to activate a bonus, and as far as I have observed from them, they actually warn people asking about the 'bonus conditions' that these bonuses are hard to unlock but advance players can(see older pages of this thread), I know somebody who was able to unlock it not only once.
P.S.

You may find my comment stupid, but I ''think before I click''. c,'')

[actmyname]

they actually warn people asking about the 'bonus conditions' that these bonuses are hard to unlock but advance players can(see older pages of this thread), I know somebody who was able to unlock it not only once.

But the conditions weren't in the terms. And if my hypothesis that profit adds to the locked balance but losses don't subtract from it is correct, then you're in a catch-22 as soon as you raise it past your balance.

That makes it so that you are literally forced to gamble or forfeit your balance altogether.

Rules

Is that anywhere there? The answer is no.

[Lutpin]

If they simply made the bonus conditions such that one wagered their own balance before the bonus, then all would be well and this situation would be over.

But I don't think the one who 'lost' his balance would agree without getting anything

But they didn't lose, they won.
The only mistake the user made was trying to cancel their bonus.
Now I understand taking away the bonus when it's canceled, I also understand taking away profit made from the bonus.
But taking away the initial deposit as well? Now that's a bit harsh.

[moooonu]

If they simply made the bonus conditions such that one wagered their own balance before the bonus, then all would be well and this situation would be over.

But I don't think the one who 'lost' his balance would agree without getting anything

But they didn't lose, they won.
The only mistake the user made was trying to cancel their bonus.
Now I understand taking away the bonus when it's canceled, I also understand taking away profit made from the bonus.
But taking away the initial deposit as well? Now that's a bit harsh.

Indeed my point is same. Taking away initial deposit is just not fair at all. That's some shady thing they have done.

[1982dre]

If they simply made the bonus conditions such that one wagered their own balance before the bonus, then all would be well and this situation would be over.

But I don't think the one who 'lost' his balance would agree without getting anything

But they didn't lose, they won.
The only mistake the user made was trying to cancel their bonus.
Now I understand taking away the bonus when it's canceled, I also understand taking away profit made from the bonus.
But taking away the initial deposit as well? Now that's a bit harsh.

Indeed my point is same. Taking away initial deposit is just not fair at all. That's some shady thing they have done.

A bonus with dice is different then a different then other casino games. You have to prevent that users can make a loop. As said before, I don't know if this is the best way but this is how it works now. If an user don't read all the pop-ups on cancelling, it isn't the site who is scamming.

[actmyname]

A bonus with dice is different then a different then other casino games. You have to prevent that users can make a loop. As said before, I don't know if this is the best way but this is how it works now. If an user don't read all the pop-ups on cancelling, it isn't the site who is scamming.

Already talked about how your system is unfair. Tell me why this is not unfair. Even when you want to prevent cheating, I think this is a pretty unethical practice. Don't punish the player for something a cheater may or may not do.

they actually warn people asking about the 'bonus conditions' that these bonuses are hard to unlock but advance players can(see older pages of this thread), I know somebody who was able to unlock it not only once.

But the conditions weren't in the terms. And if my hypothesis that profit adds to the locked balance but losses don't subtract from it is correct, then you're in a catch-22 as soon as you raise it past your balance.

That makes it so that you are literally forced to gamble or forfeit your balance altogether.

Rules

Is that anywhere there? The answer is no.

[Avirunes]

A bonus with dice is different then a different then other casino games.

How? In dice bonus, does it gives the right to site owners to take away the deposit of user just because they think user can make a loop?

You have to prevent that users can make a loop.

That can be achieved by ethical way as well. We already discussed it in scam accusation thread that taking the deposit is unethical .

As said before, I don't know if this is the best way but this is how it works now. If an user don't read all the pop-ups on cancelling, it isn't the site who is scamming.

That seems likes dice should be avoided which doesn't knows what is fair and what is not.

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Don't punish the player for something a cheater may or may not do.