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March 29, 2019, 01:01:54 PM
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How much money do you want to stop the scam?
I want my reputation back


Dear Fratoshi, as stated on our terms and conditions:

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If you do not accept and agree to be bound by these Terms of Use, please do not access or use the Platform.

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As a condition of your use of the Platform, you represent and warrant to, and covenant with TradeSatoshi that: (a) you have reached the age of majority in your jurisdiction of residence; (b) you possess the legal authority to create a binding legal obligation; (c) you shall use the Platform in accordance with these Terms of Use and all applicable laws; and (d) all information supplied by you on the Platform is true, accurate, current and complete.

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All users agree to register trough http://tradesatoshi.com and agree with the terms and conditions, all users agree to provide their real name, email address and password.


Where does it say in your Terms and Conditions that you can keep customer deposits for not wanting to provide you with KYC information that you initially did not require for low-tier traders? I don't care that you only make about $68 a day in trading fees, that's not a valid excuse for cheating your customers out of their funds by thinking you can catch them with this KYC trick.
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March 29, 2019, 01:12:17 PM
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68$ per day,  that is lot of money to pay to staff.
Much staff everywhere

You're forgetting a few things:

1. Your exchange probably has a staff of 2. There are multiple accounts here belonging to 1 or 2 people maximum.
2. Your exchange traditionally raked in the majority of its profits from hefty withdrawal fees.
3. With your new KYC stunt, conveniently keeping user balances who didn't have to supply you with ID info before and don't want to now (and for good reason) you have a newfound source of income. Keeping user balances from those who _did_ upload their documents because you determined it didn't match the information they provided when they signed up is even more "free money" for you...

How much money do you want to stop the scam?
I want my reputation back

You can post a topic in the Scam Accusation or Reputation section if you want, state your case, and ask the community to intervene on your behalf. Or you could just start up another account, write 21 posts with it, and you'll be back to exactly where you are now, minus the red trust.

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there is an official response from Tradesatoshi about registering accounts with a fake name?
If you do not accept and agree to be bound by these Terms of Use, please do not access or use the Platform.
As a condition of your use of the Platform, you represent and warrant to, and covenant with TradeSatoshi that: (a) you have reached the age of majority in your jurisdiction of residence; (b) you possess the legal authority to create a binding legal obligation; (c) you shall use the Platform in accordance with these Terms of Use and all applicable laws; and (d) all information supplied by you on the Platform is true, accurate, current and complete.
All users agree to register trough http://tradesatoshi.com and agree with the terms and conditions, all users agree to provide their real name, email address and password.
You agree to provide complete and accurate information when opening an Account and agree to promptly update any information you provide to Tradesatoshi so that such information is complete and accurate at all times.
you agree to share personal information requested for the purposes of identity verification. This information is used specifically for the detection of money laundering, terrorist financing, fraud and other financial crimes.

So, Tradesatoshi-exchange just blames all users are having fake data and then freezes their funds. This is how we must understand this response of support:

"Excellent" justification.

But what is your ground to freeze legal funds?
Where does it say in your Terms and Conditions that you can keep customer deposits for not wanting to provide you with KYC information that you initially did not require for low-tier traders?

Another affected user says this:
I was also robbed of almost 100,000 doge  this was the majority of my account and the majority of my coins stored on exchange.

I have the correct info but do not wish to comply with KYC, does this mean i broke an agreement or don't deserve to withdrawal my coins? their move was a cash grab. plain and simple

Sorry, buddy, they claim you have fake data.  They even don't need KYC for this  - they simply know ))

It's funny, but Tradesatoshi is afraid that all this scam is coming out, so the moderators ask users not to publish any responses of support and even the numbers of tickets in public places, like discord.
They don't want us to have that kind of evidence, like the one above.

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So, Tradesatoshi-exchange just blames all users are having fake data and then freezes their funds. This is how we must understand this response of support:

"Excellent" justification.

But what is your ground to freeze legal funds?
Where does it say in your Terms and Conditions that you can keep customer deposits for not wanting to provide you with KYC information that you initially did not require for low-tier traders?

Another affected user says this:
I was also robbed of almost 100,000 doge  this was the majority of my account and the majority of my coins stored on exchange.

I have the correct info but do not wish to comply with KYC, does this mean i broke an agreement or don't deserve to withdrawal my coins? their move was a cash grab. plain and simple

Sorry, buddy, they claim you have fake data.  They even don't need KYC for this  - they simply know ))

It's funny, but Tradesatoshi is afraid that all this scam is coming out, so the moderators ask users not to publish any responses of support and even the numbers of tickets in public places, like discord.
They don't want us to have that kind of evidence, like the one above.


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These scamming peaces of donkey poop. Yes it is all a scam to steal coins. They say...



"We apply the KYC procedure when we detect suspicious transactions on a client's account to make sure the funds are safe and that it's not being used for fraudulent activity. It's a common practice for the financial institution.

We may ask for KYC in some cases. For example, if suspicious activity is detected by our risk scoring system, especially after hacks on trading platforms. These measures are taken in order to prevent fraud and scams. Yet we warn our customers in advance about upcoming KYC checks.
We may ask for KYC in some cases to fight financial crime, money laundering and terrorist financing
KYC established because we want to ensure customer’s verification processes and to mitigate fraud, money laundering, scams and financing of terrorism.
KYC rules are designed to prevent the laundering of money and the financing of terrorism.
KYC compliant processes eliminates the concerns of money laundering and terrorism financing
Kind regards,
Mod Chris"


No they are not a financial institution. Read their terms and conditions.

"Bitcoin or other similar virtual commodities are not "money" and do not fall within the regulatory regime administered by the Customs and Excise Department of Hong Kong.
An MSO licence granted by the Customs and Excise Department of Hong Kong does not give any form of approval or recognition to a business related to Bitcoin orsimilar virtual commodities." BLA BLA f**kin BLA

AND NO, they don't warn users of KYC, they just lock accounts and delist coins they want to steal or don't own...BTCP for example. The biggest scam in crypto.

ANYHOW,

to sum up, ja, we originally said we were registered in London and we are a respected company but, since then we moved to HONG KONG updated our terms and conditions to do whatever the F**k we want. We can lock any account we know signed up with "not" their real name like "doneynuts 1119"


and we can then force KYC on all those accounts...if they do provide actual sensitive documents to our scam staff, (we will use it as we see fit) but we may still not allow you to get access to your account because , well, your name does not match so you violated our terms...


remember when you signed up, you agreed to it..oh wait, no you didn't we changed the terms a while ago but you didn't react so, now we will steal your coins.

You stupid fools. Don't you know crypto is a scam? We justify US or TRADESATOSHI, stealing your coins because, you did not sign up with a real name.

Thanks for your Bitcoin.

Sincerely, TRADESATOSHI scam experts.

PS: let users get their funds out before you lock all accounts you scam artists. Who owns TRADESATOSHI?
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March 30, 2019, 05:00:39 AM
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YTN wallet is back online

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March 30, 2019, 06:22:38 AM
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For those just joining this thread:

Trade Satoshi has long been accused of stealing user funds and is now using a new mandatory KYC implementation to steal funds from long-time customers.

DO NOT DEPOSIT YOUR COINS HERE, THEY WILL LIKELY BE LOST FOR GOOD.

Please reference the following scam accusation threads for more information:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5118992
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5121465
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2890191.msg50099470#msg50099470
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1997270.msg50198043#msg50198043
https://www.forexbrokerz.com/brokers/Tradesatoshi-Review

Also it appears the owner of the exchange is named Francesco Alibrandi:

https://www.linkedin.com/company/tradesatoshi
https://suite.endole.co.uk/insight/people/20279371-mr-francesco-alibrandi?page=companies

Apparently the company was dissolved in July 2018.
They are no longer an incorporated business and have no license.

Here are his personal details submitted for the UK incorporation of Trade Satoshi:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/0AFQGshE1pkyhddlgkxUiMPxSLo/appointments

In short, the exchange has legal obligation to honor their terms to anybody, and short of suing Alibrandi for theft there is no way to get your money back from Trade Satoshi.

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March 30, 2019, 08:07:25 AM
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FLAPX wallet open for withdrawal

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Let me know how I can help others know about this exchange stealing  coins.

How do I report the loss here so people know Tradesatoshi will steal from you
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March 30, 2019, 08:24:14 AM
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if you want to help others ...= read below and jump in... copy the quotes and paste it in other threads and let people know what to do and how to do it ...


here is a quick one.... following it shows a huge chain effect of the same thing



https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1GY6yXKstDafvo7hF5XW1WTeLA6x3ASzcT
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1A5FjoJzYpY674bZtENAg4Sy5ae7MGrEMr
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1NZKHPQqQn7NCgTE9tdHGQ4sH5fsPFBsDN
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1SZehXphFAQ4wfJxujBT1zuLQznJhXDEJ


at the moment it wont get confirmed or get dropped from the blockchain... i am keeping it alive and blocking all the chain effect keeping it in the mempool so they will eventually  run out of steam
if everyone would do this.... eventually they would have to start refunding the empty walletid in hopes for confirmation so they could find some available funds.




with the fact that "TS"...imho =TRUE SHIT
 
they have started from March 24 2019 dropping their withdrawal fee to     0.25 sat/WU - 1 sat/B
 this is creating a huge gain in the mempool of unconfirmed transactions
 plus they are double spending the unconfirmed transactions so while everyone waits, they will be sitting and regaining the funds as the transactions never get confirmed and dropped by the network
 all unconfirmed and dropped transactions return the amounts back to the original holder.... TS
but ....
alas....
 there is a way to screw them in part.....

by retransmitting the transaction that is unconfirmed
 it will not let the transaction die and will hold accountable the originating senders.
to do this there are many transaction accelerators for free.
a few of them even have issues simply because the fee is way too low but a few of the free accelerators will send and retransmit the trxid and keep alive in mempool
so if everyone would start doing this like 2 times a day they would eventually run out of available cash and chock on their own behalf


https://bitaccelerate.com/      Works GREAT

https://freebtcaccelerator.com/#tools       works

https://pool.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/      has issues at times with low fee

i would love to see them chock on their own tainted practices

This is interesting... can you give us some transactions or addresses where this happened?

I did see the screenshot where they were using a 1 sat/byte fee, and that transaction was confirmed. However, this next transaction was broadcast 2.5 days ago and is still unconfirmed. If it gets replaced by another transaction then we'll know you are on to something.





Let me know how I can help others know about this exchange stealing  coins.

How do I report the loss here so people know Tradesatoshi will steal from you

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Let me know how I can help others know about this exchange stealing  coins.

How do I report the loss here so people know Tradesatoshi will steal from you

You can also spread the word in coin-communities, to which you belong, and forums. Users and coin developers should be aware that Tradesatoshi is nor reliable nor safe place to trade.

Some useful links about Tradesatoshi-scam to read and spread:
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ZCL wallet is back online

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April 02, 2019, 08:42:47 AM
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ZCL wallet is back online

STAY AWAY FROM TRADESATOSHI



TRADESATOSHI Terms and Conditions... DO NOT USE Tradesatoshi for anything!


"TradeSatoshi reserves the right to disable any User Account issued to you at any time in TradeSatoshi’s sole discretion. If TradeSatoshi disables access to a User Account issued to you, you may be prevented from accessing TradeSatoshi, your account details or any data that are associated with your account."

ALSO...

"TradeSatoshi retains the right, at its sole discretion, to deny access to anyone to the Platform or the services it offers, at any time and for any reason, including, but not limited to, for violation of these Terms of Use."




FURTHER MORE: They are locking accounts and forcing KYC saying they are a financial institution.

"Bitcoin or other similar virtual commodities are not "money" and do not fall within the regulatory regime administered by the Customs and Excise Department of Hong Kong.

An MSO licence granted by the Customs and Excise Department of Hong Kong does not give any form of approval or recognition to a business related to Bitcoin or similar virtual commodities."
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April 02, 2019, 09:03:19 PM
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ZCL wallet is back online
No one cares about ZCL being online. If people use Tradesatoshi, you will just steal their coins and lock them out of their account anyhow...so give it up with your BS exchange wallet being online.
Hey, more amusing news. One guy, whose account was locked also, decided to send them his ID. The result was awesome:



As i said earlier, if you had not filled in your account details with the real name on the stage of registration, you won't pass the KYC: "Your ID details is different in your Account details". And the fields with name, surname, date of birth are read-only, lol. Bingo: your balance is "legally" stolen! Spread the word, please.

Those scumbags. The best is they lock the field so if you signed up with a different name, they can steal your funds at anytime. Sadly no justice will be done. Just be careful with exchanges. I wish the owners scammer of tradesatoshi all the worst in the world. Karma. I hope he gets his.

Read this thread too before you deal with tradesatoshi!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5118992.100
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So, after two months my problem is still not solved. Delisting delay did not change anything. This exchange seems to be completely out of service.
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So, after two months my problem is still not solved. Delisting delay did not change anything. This exchange seems to be completely out of service.

My guess is they didn't actually have the coins to distribute back to their users.

When people started requesting withdrawals, they forced KYC on them. For those who passed the KYC, they upped withdrawal fees. For those willing to pay higher withdrawal fees, they upped the "minimum" coins for withdrawal. For those who could withdrawal the minimum, they took wallets down for "repair".

What's weird is I just tried logging in using my account with them and it is now also locked. If I actually had coins on there I would find it quite unsettling.

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https://t.me/tradesatoshigroup  
Funny, every now and again, some new user finds this SCAM TRADESATOSHI cheerleading telegram group complaining about their lost coins and locked out accounts. DO NOT USE TRADESATOSHI and if you have access to your account...get your coins off now.

One guy, probably a tradesatoshi scam rep or whatever says, just simply ask in discord or join discord group...but they ban you in discord and on twitter if you ask why your account was locked.

And if you ask support, they also repeat the same BS lie about suspicious activity and "we suggest you KYC" and "it is normal for a financial institution" and all BS , because they just will steal your coins and you can do nothing.


Read terms and conditions, they can do anything and take your coins, and lock you out. SPREAD THE WORD. dont let others get scammed by tradesatoshi.
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May 25, 2019, 05:45:51 AM
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This exchange seems to be is completely out of service.

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Thank you for your interest regarding Bolivarcoin
You can find more information on Coinmarketcap website

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May 29, 2019, 12:12:14 PM
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I have the same problem as many other people. Forced KYC.
My profile in tradesatoshi is correct, there is a real name, surname and date of birth. But I'm not going to send more private information to an unknown site that does not have an address no office, real names ...

This is a scam!

One good, I do not have any money there, my balance is empty.
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Interestingly it is the same person Founded Tradesatoshi and Cryptopia exchange. Both of them going to be marked as a big scam.
Adam Clark designed the new one "Assetylene". Can we expect a new scam exchange from there?

source: https://decrypt.co/7132/cryptopia-hack-liquidation-new-exchange

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