[User Generated] - Known alts of anyone

[0x0010]

So why can you explain the latest feedback you left me? Or why you left the same inaccurate feedback related to quickseller as a negative and a neutral? Who's Chris Paine?

Your own PM to me answers your own question:

Okay  mate I don't own the domain "comingsoon.com", I placed it on in my profile to imply that a website is coming soon. And do you seriously think I'm quickseller? Lol

My first note:

Admits to being an Alt of quickseller http://archive.is/4zbVQ#selection-1631.59-1630.1

Pretty self explanatory really...

You left it twice. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=930986
I'm asking you why you did. It's the exact same text only posted twice, once as negative and once as neutral.

What do you get out of leaving unjustified trust ratings?

[Joel_Jantsen]

So why can you explain the latest feedback you left me? Or why you left the same inaccurate feedback related to quickseller as a negative and a neutral? Who's Chris Paine?

The feedback is accurate.You're also involved in trust building by taking small loans and showing suspicious behavior with risky trades such as Papal.Your account is registered on December 16 and since that you've continuously involved trades to earn feedback or reputation in general.337 posts in such short span of time ? Great, convinces me you are an alt.The feedback stands as a warning for people willing to trade with you.

[0x0010]

So why can you explain the latest feedback you left me? Or why you left the same inaccurate feedback related to quickseller as a negative and a neutral? Who's Chris Paine?

The feedback is accurate.You're also involved in trust building by taking small loans and showing suspicious behavior with risky trades such as Papal.Your account is registered on December 16 and since that you've continuously involved trades to earn feedback or reputation in general.337 posts in such short span of time ? Great, convinces me you are an alt.The feedback stands as a warning for people willing to trade with you.

Doesn't matter what's on my feedback if I my self know I'm legit. I have absolutely no problem using escrow, signing messages, etc. you can quote this if you'd like for future references. I make a lot of posts, what's the problem? So do sig spammers, you don't call them alts, do you? If I made 337 posts, how would I have the time for another account? It's the holidays here, I've got plenty of time on here. And I know PayPal is risky, hence the reason I take a big loss and buy gift cards to sell for btc instead of a direct exchange.

[erikalui]

I just had another of my posts concerning quickseller deleted by a mystery forum person:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Thank you all for the participation in this campaign. It is now closed, until further notice!

That's because it's been discovered that quickseller is an Alt of marcotheminer

Accounts connected: Quickseller, marcotheminer

Proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.msg17455919#msg17455919

     

Do I respond to that, respond to erikalui or yawn in the alt known as quickseller's direction.

I can't not prove I am the alts quickseller says I am, after all they've accused me three or four times now, so there really isn't any point responding, so I may as well reply to erikalui ...

Why did you leave a trust rating on my account?

because I don't trust you.

Yes, I used to make posts for CEG and if you have any idea about signature campaigns, it is the same where you post and get paid. Where did I admit to account farm for him (make posts and sell accounts)?

Here: http://archive.is/IWmbZ#selection-7779.0-7748.7 is where you said you created posts in bulk in exchange for payment.

This is what I wrote on your trust wall:

   Self admitted Account Farmer TM. Actively participating in the wholesale manufacture and sale of Farmed Accounts TM by providing text for said UID's for payment.

I've highlighted the part that concerns you, you have admitted you provided text (ref the archive link just above), so I have not said anything that is incorrect.

You might want to take it up with your patron.

Archived for future reference: http://archive.is/Ew8g9#selection-9385.0-9547.46

It doesn't matter if you trust me or not but your accusation regarding me participating in account farming is absolutely wrong. I have sent you the link to my Doc file where you can see the posts I used to write for him and it was not a part of HIS account farming. How being paid by a scammer makes me a scammer? Tomorrow if the admin of BCT turns out to be a scammer, are we all to be blamed? Also, the time I used to work for him was a time when he wasn't negged by DT members.

@Blue: I participate in wholesale manufacture and sale of farmed accounts? I cannot help but laugh as how does me making posts on other forums support this claim? Where are accounts sold? It's only on this forum where accounts are sold and other forum accounts have no market value? Which accounts do I own on this forum, mind to answer?

Where did I PROVIDE TEXT? I posted and I've sent you the DOC file and it's upto you to believe me or not.

Show me the post where I said I am account farming, selling accounts or creating multiple accounts on a single forum? How does your trust rating hold any sort of validity here? You don't have a single proof where I can be proved that I have farmed accounts and still you feel that your rating is valid? You only say you don't trust me then get one person who claims that I have more than one account on this forum from which I actively post.

Since you doubt me, I request you to atleast change it to neutral as all your claims are false.

I seriously don't get how you say you DON'T TRUST ME and then claim my own statement as a PROOF against me. Aren't you contradicting yourself? It seems you have some personal grudge against me and are misusing your ability to leave trust ratings.



Edit: Would like to know the opinion of other DT users on this matter. How is me making posts from my own account on other forums (owning one account on each forum) amount to account farming? Aren't there so many tasks posted in the services section where people are paid to promote a website on other forums? Is that also same as account farming? Please reply.

[V.Lace]

I just had another of my posts concerning quickseller deleted by a mystery forum person:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Thank you all for the participation in this campaign. It is now closed, until further notice!

That's because it's been discovered that quickseller is an Alt of marcotheminer

Accounts connected: Quickseller, marcotheminer

Proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1702409.msg17455919#msg17455919

     

Do I respond to that, respond to erikalui or yawn in the alt known as quickseller's direction.

I can't not prove I am the alts quickseller says I am, after all they've accused me three or four times now, so there really isn't any point responding, so I may as well reply to erikalui ...

Why did you leave a trust rating on my account?

because I don't trust you.

Yes, I used to make posts for CEG and if you have any idea about signature campaigns, it is the same where you post and get paid. Where did I admit to account farm for him (make posts and sell accounts)?

Here: http://archive.is/IWmbZ#selection-7779.0-7748.7 is where you said you created posts in bulk in exchange for payment.

This is what I wrote on your trust wall:

   Self admitted Account Farmer TM. Actively participating in the wholesale manufacture and sale of Farmed Accounts TM by providing text for said UID's for payment.

I've highlighted the part that concerns you, you have admitted you provided text (ref the archive link just above), so I have not said anything that is incorrect.

You might want to take it up with your patron.

Archived for future reference: http://archive.is/Ew8g9#selection-9385.0-9547.46

It doesn't matter if you trust me or not but your accusation regarding me participating in account farming is absolutely wrong. I have sent you the link to my Doc file where you can see the posts I used to write for him and it was not a part of HIS account farming. How being paid by a scammer makes me a scammer? Tomorrow if the admin of BCT turns out to be a scammer, are we all to be blamed? Also, the time I used to work for him was a time when he wasn't negged by DT members.

@Blue: I participate in wholesale manufacture and sale of farmed accounts? I cannot help but laugh as how does me making posts on other forums support this claim? Where are accounts sold? It's only on this forum where accounts are sold and other forum accounts have no market value? Which accounts do I own on this forum, mind to answer?

Where did I PROVIDE TEXT? I posted and I've sent you the DOC file and it's upto you to believe me or not.

Show me the post where I said I am account farming, selling accounts or creating multiple accounts on a single forum? How does your trust rating hold any sort of validity here? You don't have a single proof where I can be proved that I have farmed accounts and still you feel that your rating is valid? You only say you don't trust me then get one person who claims that I have more than one account on this forum from which I actively post.

Since you doubt me, I request you to atleast change it to neutral as all your claims are false.

I seriously don't get how you say you DON'T TRUST ME and then claim my own statement as a PROOF against me. Aren't you contradicting yourself? It seems you have some personal grudge against me and are misusing your ability to leave trust ratings.

Same happen to me, one if his alt accounts didnt get a reward due to copyright cheating and suddenly this Timelord shows out of no where and boom many his alt accounts hit me with negs.  I do not give one shit about the negs here, they dont effect my money making in real life, That is what is funny about these idiots. Hence the Staff, and this forum sucks ass.  Move to another bitcoin forum is what I will do.  I do not need to be part of a negative community.

Check out Lauda's quote:     "Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people."  Uhhhh isnt that what you groups are doing now?  See ya'

Satoshi, I am sure is not happy how this forum turned out.  Im Sure he is regretting it leaving to Theymos for his money making schemes and BS upgrade on website.

[Quickseller]

Although I am not certain beyond a reasonable doubt, I strongly believe that Gunthar is an alt of purchased (as of Feb 2015) account Hamuki, and was vouching for himself.

Archive of the bitcointalkaccountpricer.com page for Hamuki (selection is when I believe the account was most likely sold). Note the number of posts each activity period.

Gunthar's profile lists his BTC address as 1GuntharqyUPvE7NdXChiy8x6rFrH1woPe

Note that Hamuki's profile lists his BTC address as 1HamukiBbYq5Fe5mL2ZHCELemr4f7WHu6t and was last active on January 05, 2017, 11:46:12 PM

Both of these profile addresses are vanity addresses.

On Jan 6, 2017, Gunthar received a withdrawal from poloinex that was confirmed in block 446834. He later sent the entire amount of his BTC from his above withdrawal to an intermediary address, which transaction was confirmed in block 446879 (about 7 hours after the withdrawal). Roughly 7 hours later, Gunther sends the entire withdrawal amount to the address listed in Hamuki's profile. This transaction was sent on Jan 6, 2017 at 20:05, roughly 19 hours after Hamuki was last active, and ~3 days later has not logged back in to confirm payment (if you were going to argue this was a payment to him).

I can say on good authority that when Hamuki was sold that it's sale included the private key to one or more bitcoin addresses associated with it.

mmmmmmh....i woudnt mind to be "accused" as hamuki alt if i was: he is a nice italian guy, he sold me a mobile phone reload when i was (i think) newbie or Jr, cant remember. He is on my telegram as he lately bought my GUNBOT (and i think he is using Sampey's too), you are welcome to join and chat with us . Thanks God we lenders have KWH tagging bought accounts so yes, i strongly believe that one is a bought account. The fact he speaks italian with me was just a confirmation his account is bought as if you dig a bit more on his post history he was speaking some north eu language. You might want to ask to this guy about it?

Yes it happens that people just rush to pay me on my vanity address for loans repayments or to purchase the GUNBOT and it happens that people buy my GUNBOT on bitify adn they pay more than 0.1 because bitify is USD tied: I ALWAYS SEND BACK TO CUSTOMERS WHAT IS LEFT OVER 0.1 (my customers can vouch for this, hamuki included) and that's what that transaction was about.

I'm glad to welcome you aboard the witch-hunting game QS!!! You are moving in the wrong direction tho, i told you what are my alts already: complete list here

Yawns and tosses some coffee around the thread
~Gun

Hmmm, it is too bad that you do not have any bitify sales that match sending that refund. It also looks like the "trade" with him that you exchanged trust feedbacks with is almost certainly fake, (then to boot, another guy posted in your thread that xetxr tagged as someone who is showing signs of trust farming).

[Timelord2067]

Anyway, I am not marco. He is based out of Switzerland (IIRC), and I am based out of the US.

Sorry you waisted your time lol

edit:

Message quoted and archived http://archive.is/fjdwR#selection-2601.0-3059.23 as requested - damn! I knew I should have verified that PGP message when I had the chance!

You still have the chance! That signed message is still there for you to verify

Am I reading this correctly?  The alt known as quickseller is asking me to help him/her to prove s/he isn't an alt of a UID with Red Paint ^TM for amongst other things Traffics in stolen accounts that BadBear left for them?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=964525.0;all http://archive.is/s15Gq


Oh yeh, exactly eight time in all of BCT is the term "time waisted" used - waisted is a clothing term http://www.bing.com/search?q=waisted&qs=n&form=QBLH&sp=-1&pq=waisted&sc=8-7&sk=&cvid=778F4CD4DDF644A1AC99D98A7A54D834  http://www.dictionary.com/browse/waisted

Where as "time wasted" refers to time lost through various means. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/wasted?s=t done to no avail; useless: The eight uses of "time waisted" are quickseller above, and the seven UID's and the archive of the usage listed below:

skull88 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=667 here: http://archive.is/3vtBB#selection-3127.307-3127.339

iamphoenix https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=151730 here: http://archive.is/u5EeI#selection-2171.820-2171.833

Catswold https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=172763 here: http://archive.is/7eUMo#selection-2721.0-2721.25

lilgenofrfng https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=208519 here: http://archive.is/dPnn0#selection-587.135-587.142

nfox https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=227835 here: http://archive.is/exxRf#selection-2457.22-2457.42

Window2Wall     -2: -1 / +0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=356718 here: in answer to TomatoCage and to also vouch for tomatocage.

15Lemon714 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=410551 here: http://archive.is/voni4#selection-5257.297-5257.316

I can only conclude the eight listed are alts of each other as it is too specific an error for more than one person to use and quickseller's whole business is creating UID's to then sell via posting thousands of posts.

Code:

Name: 	skull88 u=667 http://archive.is/Si95e
Posts: 	684
Activity: 	684
Position: 	Hero Member
Date Registered: 	02 August 2010, 22:54:17
Last Active: 	06 February 2016, 19:24:43

Bitcoin address: 	1MifMqtqqwMMAbb6zr8u6qEzWqq3CQeGUr
Gender: 	Male
Age: 	33
Location: 	Planet Earth


Name: 	iamphoenix u=151730 http://archive.is/wxKEi
Posts: 	244
Activity: 	244
Position: 	Sr. Member
Date Registered: 	23 September 2013, 08:05:21
Last Active: 	04 October 2016, 23:32:25

Bitcoin address: 	19Acjrjs5iQ4ewDWLL8qzeKzaESL6fQh7
Gender: 	Male

Location: 	ny

Name: 	Catswold u=172763 http://archive.is/FVHKx
Posts: 	346
Activity: 	168
Position: 	Full Member
Date Registered: 	29 November 2013, 06:03:13
Last Active: 	01 December 2016, 04:31:37

Bitcoin address: 	1M5NTt7bJfdwvGeLxn9TBDfFBjBgthN35z
Other contact info: 	1M5NTt7bJfdwvGeLxn9TBDfFBjBgthN35z
Gender: 	Male
Age: 	63
Location: 	Houston, Texas, USA

Name: 	lilgenofrfng u=208519 http://archive.is/MuoS3
Posts: 	7
Activity: 	7
Position: 	Newbie
Date Registered: 	01 January 2014, 22:40:57
Last Active: 	26 March 2014, 01:58:27

Name: 	nfox u=227835 http://archive.is/l68xm
Posts: 	951
Activity: 	434
Position: 	Sr. Member
Date Registered: 	24 January 2014, 21:16:01
Last Active: 	29 April 2016, 05:06:07

Website: 	Twitter https://twitter.com/night_f0x

Name: 	Window2Wall u=356718 http://archive.is/eOvsv
Posts: 	193
Activity: 	193
Position: 	Full Member
Date Registered: 	18 July 2014, 12:52:24
Last Active: 	02 September 2015, 04:56:56

Trust: 	-2: -1 / +0

Name: 	15Lemon714 u=410551 http://archive.is/1G7bt
Posts: 	262
Activity: 	262
Position: 	Sr. Member
Date Registered: 	11 January 2015, 20:39:15
Last Active: 	09 October 2015, 19:31:18
Signature:
@Crypto_Lemon

Lost my avatar :( 

02 August 2010, 22:54:17 Date Registered:    skull88 u=667 http://archive.is/Si95e

23 September 2013, 08:05:21 Date Registered:    iamphoenix u=151730 http://archive.is/wxKEi

29 November 2013, 06:03:13 Date Registered:    Catswold u=172763 http://archive.is/FVHKx

01 January 2014, 22:40:57 Date Registered:    lilgenofrfng u=208519 http://archive.is/MuoS3

24 January 2014, 21:16:01 Date Registered:    nfox u=227835 http://archive.is/l68xm

26 March 2014, 01:58:27 Last Active:    lilgenofrfng u=208519 http://archive.is/MuoS3

18 July 2014, 12:52:24 Date Registered:    Window2Wall     -2: -1 / +0 u=356718 http://archive.is/eOvsv
22 July 2014, 15:51:40 Date Registered:    Quickseller     -115: -7 / +13 u=358020

11 January 2015, 20:39:15 Date Registered:    15Lemon714 u=410551 http://archive.is/1G7bt

02 September 2015, 04:56:56 Last Active:    Window2Wall     -2: -1 / +0 u=356718 http://archive.is/eOvsv

09 October 2015, 19:31:18 Last Active:    15Lemon714 u=410551 http://archive.is/1G7bt

06 February 2016, 19:24:43 Last Active:    skull88 u=667 http://archive.is/Si95e

29 April 2016, 05:06:07 Last Active:    nfox u=227835 http://archive.is/l68xm

04 October 2016, 23:32:25 Last Active:    iamphoenix u=151730 http://archive.is/wxKEi

01 December 2016, 04:31:37 Last Active:    Catswold u=172763 http://archive.is/FVHKx

Hell of a coincidence Window2Wall     -2: -1 / +0 and Quickseller     -115: -7 / +13 both registering within two days of each-other, both having negative trust and both miss-spelling a word involving time...

True, skull88 u=667 *might* be an innocent bystander, (time will tell after all) but let's look at the others:

19 November 2013, 19:37:12 Date Registered:        WhiteyZ u=163888 http://archive.is/Ql4eY the date we connected with Wendigo having registered the same day.

22 December 2013, 20:14:43 Last Active:    Disposition ( mesmer ) u=12833 http://archive.is/IHE7m
03 January 2014, 17:04:32 Date Registered:        Kooness http://archive.is/ffsHZ

Kooness crossed our path a few times in the past.

22 January 2014, 00:25:34 Date Registered:        neolinkhati u=225015

27 March 2014, 13:19:09 Date Registered:    bitbaby u=303071 gives up on lilgenofrfng perhaps?
01 April 2014, 18:43:11  Last actual post WhiteyZ http://archive.is/OyteG#selection-337.5-337.33

26 December 2014, 23:14:24 Last Active:        WhiteyZ http://archive.is/Ql4eY
08 January 2015, 03:24:52 Date Registered:    DimensionZ u=409537 http://archive.is/1Fap0

Gives up on WhiteyZ and moves on to 15Lemon714 u=410551

05 September 2015, 06:10:14 Quickseller escrowing for himself https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.0 thread by tspacepilot starts.

Three days earlier Window2Wall     -2: -1 / +0 already holding Red Trust ^TM is retired.

12 October 2015, 05:50:33 Known alts of anyone: User generated https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.0 started by mexxer-2 u=341982

Three days earlier 15Lemon714 is likewise retired.

05 February 2016, 08:25:04 Last actual post golikcoin http://archive.is/3SINY#selection-545.5-545.36

13 February 2016, 21:39:52 scammer deluxeCITY https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1362951.0 thread begins http://archive.is/ZRu1L

golikcoin and next day skull88 are retired?

24 April 2016, 19:35:17  ActSeller actual last post. http://archive.is/2HUSt#selection-341.5-353.12
03 May 2016, 06:07:17 ACCTseller actual last post. http://archive.is/MbzX6#selection-501.5-529.1

More accounts retired above and below.

October 01, 2016, 05:08:53 PM     Last Active:    devvienuis u=248497 http://archive.is/Ez32Z
08 October 2016, 04:31:08 Last actual post by kooke u=85229 http://archive.is/BcX0u#selection-485.5-485.35
09 October 2016, 05:26:11 Last Active:    kooke u=85229 http://archive.is/1tv1E

09 December 2016, 16:42:13 Last Active:    bestcoins1 http://archive.is/oWdcI

[Gunthar]

Hmmm, it is too bad that you do not have any bitify sales that match sending that refund.

You have to cite some references to back this up and make it more credible becuase last i knew all customers testimonial on my bot thread are showing a lot of sales (10-15% of which are from bitify which i use as escrow service for the Money Back Guarantee)

It also looks like the "trade" with him that you exchanged trust feedbacks with is almost certainly fake, (then to boot, another guy posted in your thread that xetxr tagged as someone who is showing signs of trust farming).

You have to cite some references to back this up and make it more credible because it "looks like " that only to you (not that it matters anyway: i do exchange trust feedbacks with who i want and when i want, like yu do too. Also my trust history isnt certainly affected by a non-DT member like him)

(then to boot, another guy posted in your thread that xetxr tagged as someone who is showing signs of trust farming).

To "boot" what exactly witch-hunter?

[Gunthar]

UPDATE: the keybase contributor Maxwell Khron confirmed that QS is indeed marcotheminer.

Archived version here

Original issue here

GuntharDeNiro commented an hour ago

So i have this message to verify and when i verify it on keybase.io it says signed by a different identity then the one supposed to be signing it. Does it mean the 2 keybase users are the same person?

This is the message, it says signed by marcotheminer while i receive that message from another user:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

My QS account has not been sold. Not that this fact has anything to do with your argument.

QS
Jan 5, 2017
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: oPenGP 6.0 on iOS

iQEVAwUBWG5nJlMt0pDwvrUWAQghNwf/dnocGGRvtl9t7sAprG4Sz5za/Lmas9GM
Sq4PHP1p46McNw8etK9c1xsqBAjtr2LDEVPtH83XFWKWUn7auPrZtkxApAcJqiO2
6cT/+Cl3PIgTD7B1ngnxKExHXsQCUhIHYKkpcdsSnm+2hA3uP7mIw/8AsanIJMx3
OwLU3TUCYe18sNNE3hv5LDR8Qs8wc2mvwWV5X7EB+E+2C2pnhp3mAfpMowlMzOY0
xsKhcbN2QuZSrk+a/f7CYZE6G0dl4qTun7QcaMOjExkbZhRLDQqffnShaadA8gcx
0Uv7x7CEkGjLzixmi/jwnK6gdQPkZEgMLne6ZntIwo+g040DZx7QTQ==
=i6KL
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
@zQueal
Member
zQueal commented 40 minutes ago

This is very interesting behavior--especially considering marcotheminer doesn't have a key associated with their account.
@maxtaco
Contributor
maxtaco commented 32 minutes ago
nah, that's not possible. only one user can register a public key.
…
@GuntharDeNiro
GuntharDeNiro commented 30 minutes ago

correct. My assumtpion is that the user signing that message with his key IS marcotheminer.
Correct me if i'm wrong.
@maxtaco
Contributor
maxtaco commented 27 minutes ago

yes, i agree.
@GuntharDeNiro
GuntharDeNiro commented 22 minutes ago

thanks Max issue solved.

Accounts connected: Quickseller, marcotheminer
-snip-

I don't know what to make out of this yet. This is one of the reasons for which I avoided registering to that website.

IMHO you should just table it.

Accounts connected: Quickseller, marcotheminer

~snip

[Joel_Jantsen]

UPDATE: the keybase contributor Maxwell Khron confirmed that QS is indeed marcotheminer.

He barely justified anything..He is just another contributor to the project..I would not take his opinions as facts or thesis.It's an open-source project,possibilities are endless.

What boggles my mind is,how can that message with the key be signed by marcotheminer ? Maybe shorena can give us technical insights if at all it's possible.
Also,this is something I need to understand

[Gunthar]

Also,this is something I need to understand
~snip

it would be interesting a good technical explanation about that, this is not the case of a sign chain tho: a signed message works like a wallet signed message. You sign the message with your private key (which only you can use) and i verify your message using your public key.
So if QS signs a message and the public key i have says it was signed by marcotheminer, it is so.

Maybe shorena can give us technical insights if at all it's possible.

I wish so.

EDIT: i lol'd at this starting to act like a childish butthurt . @QS: you can neg rep me how much you want QS lol i'm kind proud of that neg for the way i got it. You should delete the rep from that innocent guy of hamuki tho...(talking about innocents getting hurt from this thread)

[LoyceV]

Accounts connected: xavier77, SourThunder

Proof:
Same address used on different alts

I'd like to add more evidence to the list. He cheated my giveaway (for 2 mBTC), by joining twice from two of his Alts. I caught him before I paid the second entry.

Accounts (already) connected:
xavier77, SourThunder

Proof:

Rollin Username: DarkSideOfTheMoon
BTC address: 1PsNVyhvn4tT3JtgfqAs2UienfHujPCH1o

Archived

Username: DarkSideOfTheMoon
1PsNVyhvn4tT3JtgfqAs2UienfHujPCH1o

Archived

Address:

Code:

1PsNVyhvn4tT3JtgfqAs2UienfHujPCH1o

[shorena]

-snip-


Misc: Please someone quote this and possibly verify on their keybase.io (Archived on keybase app)

Verified on keybase.io, but do me a favor and click the "marcotheminer" link, it leads to -> https://keybase.io/marcotheminer
which now reads

keybase.io/marcotheminer
a mystery user with no key

Emphasis mine. From the post by QS it seems there was a different key listed, if anyone has an archive of that side Id like to see it.


Besides that, I am certain that quickseller is not marcotheminer, mainly because of my past with both users. Im willing to accept that I was wrong with this assumption should I see solid evidence. Right now I just see keybase fucking up because they dont have quicksellers key.


The following is the output on my console where I verified the signed message:

content of the file:

Code:

$ cat quickseller.2017.01.05
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

My QS account has not been sold. Not that this fact has anything to do with your argument.

QS
Jan 5, 2017
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: oPenGP 6.0 on iOS

iQEVAwUBWG5nJlMt0pDwvrUWAQghNwf/dnocGGRvtl9t7sAprG4Sz5za/Lmas9GM
Sq4PHP1p46McNw8etK9c1xsqBAjtr2LDEVPtH83XFWKWUn7auPrZtkxApAcJqiO2
6cT/+Cl3PIgTD7B1ngnxKExHXsQCUhIHYKkpcdsSnm+2hA3uP7mIw/8AsanIJMx3
OwLU3TUCYe18sNNE3hv5LDR8Qs8wc2mvwWV5X7EB+E+2C2pnhp3mAfpMowlMzOY0
xsKhcbN2QuZSrk+a/f7CYZE6G0dl4qTun7QcaMOjExkbZhRLDQqffnShaadA8gcx
0Uv7x7CEkGjLzixmi/jwnK6gdQPkZEgMLne6ZntIwo+g040DZx7QTQ==
=i6KL
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

verified the signature:

Code:

$ gpg2 --verify quickseller.2017.01.05 
gpg: Signatur vom Do 05 Jan 2017 16:32:54 CET mittels RSA-Schlüssel ID F0BEB516
gpg: Korrekte Signatur von "quick seller <quickseller@bitcointalk.org>" [vollständig]

full fingerprint

Code:

$ gpg2 --fingerprint quickseller
pub   2048R/F0BEB516 2014-12-03 [verfällt: 2018-12-03]
  Schl.-Fingerabdruck = F364 AB33 6F00 9BA4 736C  7F69 532D D290 F0BE B516
uid       [ vollst.] quick seller <quickseller@bitcointalk.org>
sub   2048R/809B4642 2014-12-03 [verfällt: 2020-12-04]
sub   4096R/7E27676D 2016-06-15 [verfällt: 2020-06-15]

Oldest file I have signed with the same key.

Code:

$ gpg2 --verify quickseller.2015.02.15.5 
gpg: Signatur vom So 15 Feb 2015 23:43:20 CET mittels RSA-Schlüssel ID F0BEB516
gpg: Korrekte Signatur von "quick seller <quickseller@bitcointalk.org>" [vollständig]

Hmmm, thats weird.

A lot of things are weird. For example the signed message you provided in this thread (which shorena promptly rushed to verify saying it was the same than "x" years ago while on september 2016 i see a different signature here that gives another weirdness like this

[ img]https://ibin.co/38LrJ1t8iJOv.png[/img]
-snip-

Lets go again:

Code:

$ cat quickseller.2017.01.11.Gunthar.2 
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

This is Quickseller from bitcointalk, today is August 25, 2016

RE: The loan to DebitMe from myself on the following thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=812533.msg16041232#msg16041232

I have sent 4 BTC via txid 904fcf6e81ec32fa90960271b939d500ad7eff4db0bbf0dd6c81b602de2a88b1

Please repay 4.08 BTC to the following address: 1GUF9UyGfWxKqqPKuq6bKRdSS16gySWNc1

The due date is Monday September 1, 2016 by 2359 Eastern Time (US), however DebitMe can repay early if he wishes.

Regards
QS
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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=jnay
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

verification:

Code:

$ gpg2 --verify quickseller.2017.01.11.Gunthar.2 
gpg: Signatur vom Fr 26 Aug 2016 02:46:00 CEST mittels RSA-Schlüssel ID 7E27676D
gpg: Korrekte Signatur von "quick seller <quickseller@bitcointalk.org>" [vollständig]

key(s) for quickseller:

Code:

$ gpg2 --list-keys quickseller
pub   2048R/F0BEB516 2014-12-03 [verfällt: 2018-12-03]
uid       [ vollst.] quick seller <quickseller@bitcointalk.org>
sub   2048R/809B4642 2014-12-03 [verfällt: 2020-12-04]
sub   4096R/7E27676D 2016-06-15 [verfällt: 2020-06-15]

Looks like its an older subkey.

Also,this is something I need to understand
~snip

it would be interesting a good technical explanation about that, this is not the case of a sign chain tho: a signed message works like a wallet signed message. You sign the message with your private key (which only you can use) and i verify your message using your public key.
So if QS signs a message and the public key i have says it was signed by marcotheminer, it is so.
-snip-

It doesnt though. Keybase.io says it was signed by user "X" and user "X" has currently no PGP key. X beeing marcotheminer here. The key in the sigchain[1] has a different fingerprint than the key by quickseller, which verifies just fine with gpg2. If you could reopen the issue on github[2] Id like to continue the discussion with the devs, because currently all I see is keybase.io puting out some strange info that I can not verify. Id trust gpg2 over keybase any day. Yes, in theory I could have modified the output from my console above, but everyone else can verify it independently. Quicksellers key is listed on the common keyservers.


More keybase fuckery?

Checking quicksellers key on keybase.io[3] you can see that it has the same last digits 532DD290F0BEB516, but clicking the link it returns an error stating

That key could not be found or associated with an active Keybase user.

I encrypted the following to quickseller via keybase.io[4]

Code:

-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: Keybase OpenPGP v2.0.61
Comment: https://keybase.io/crypto
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=2iZQ
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----

[1] https://keybase.io/marcotheminer/sigchain
[2] https://github.com/keybase/keybase-issues/issues/2762
[3] https://keybase.io/quickseller
[4] https://keybase.io/encrypt#quickseller

[Gunthar]

Thank you shorena for your time.
Let's start:

Besides that, I am certain that quickseller is not marcotheminer,

Please let's say "I am certain that quickseller WAS not marcotheminer" unless you have been in contact with them recently.

It doesnt though. Keybase.io says it was signed by user "X" and user "X" has currently no PGP key. X beeing marcotheminer here.

To my understanding user X has not currently a PGP key but he HAD one. And that's why it is being actually signed by marcotheminer. How is that possible? It could be called:"delete all my keys and start from scratch" (there is such a function on keybase PGP). Might i be wrong?

Also:
Issue reopened at github https://github.com/keybase/keybase-issues/issues/2762

Thanks!
~Gun

[shorena]

Thank you shorena for your time.
Let's start:

Besides that, I am certain that quickseller is not marcotheminer,

Please let's say "I am certain that quickseller WAS not marcotheminer" unless you have been in contact with them recently.

I have had no recent contact with the person behind the user marcotheminer, but with the person behind the user quickseller. I contacted them a few weeks ago. Without them contacting me I would probably have spend less time with this issue. I still respect quickseller despite what they have done, mainly because other things they have done e.g. in scambusting. I still try to not get influenced by this and look at all presented evidence as neutral as possible.

As someone already said QS might have bought marco's account, but not the other way around. This is not only backed by the key (which could easily have been sold), but also based on the information they had about our past exchanges and their overall view on things. I would be very surprised if marco would engage with me in that way.

It doesnt though. Keybase.io says it was signed by user "X" and user "X" has currently no PGP key. X beeing marcotheminer here.

To my understanding user X has not currently a PGP key but he HAD one. And that's why it is being actually signed by marcotheminer. How is that possible? It could be called:"delete all my keys and start from scratch" (there is such a function on keybase PGP). Might i be wrong?

Also:
Issue reopened at github https://github.com/keybase/keybase-issues/issues/2762

Thanks!
~Gun

Thanks, Ill write a post there once I can access my passwords. Possibly tonight or at the latest tomorrow. Maybe there are log files keeping track of "reset my keys". At the very least Id like to post something similar to here, where I present my local verification and the key by quickseller that is listed on keybase.io[1] since 2015 (if the data is reliable).

[1] https://keybase.io/quickseller/sigchain#986b1bda2b0efd49d96393e8d7baad11dc2fd20fcb5cd97c43a75fc0fa62f91a0f

[Gunthar]

Thanks, Ill write a post there once I can access my passwords. Possibly tonight or at the latest tomorrow.

Thanks and no rush: this is not a witch-hunt despite someone would think

I still respect quickseller despite what they have done, mainly because other things they have done e.g. in scambusting. I still try to not get influenced by this and look at all presented evidence as neutral as possible.

I'm relatively new here and sincerely i try to contribute to this thread presenting evidences as neutral as possible but i am having hard time to not get influenced from this as QS last resource to answer to this issue:


I dont care about his feedback because it doesnt take a lot of efforts from my customers to understand QS is acting like a childish butthurt but he is hurting that innocent guy of Hamuki which might be a bought account but he is not engaged in any form of false trust exchange with me (nor there are evidences about it). And this is dangerous for multiple reasons: marco and QS have been both on DT for a while and if there is a "DT farming accounts" industry around...well....
~Gun

[Timelord2067]

Does anyone actually *have* a copy of marcotheminer's PGP/GPG keys new or old?

I am doing some study of mine own and would appreciate a copy.  There's none I can see on the "Stake your PGP/GPG key" thread, unless I'm missing something?

...and an ?old? key for quickseller too please?

*edit* just thought of something else, is it still the case that KeyBase.IO is still an "by invitation from another user" website / service?

[Gunthar]

is it still the case that KeyBase.IO is still an "by invitation from another user" website / service?

PM me i can get you in

[Lauda]

-snip.
Should i publish this list of 90? Some great names in there like,
findscam
loveofmylife
Holybible911
pissmyenemy
moneymaker
wannaberich
whenbuyhouse
icoprofit

Sure. Keep in mind that it will likely not meet the criteria to get added to the table, as I lack the sufficient permissions to run checks on those myself.

Accounts connected: xavier77, SourThunder

Proof:
Same address used on different alts

I'd like to add more evidence to the list. He cheated my giveaway (for 2 mBTC), by joining twice from two of his Alts. I caught him before I paid the second entry.
-snip-

Tagged for cheating giveaways and added to the table.

Accounts connected: Quickseller, marcotheminer

I don't know what to make out of this yet. This is one of the reasons for which I avoided registering to that website.

IMHO you should just table it.

I'm inclined to believe that QS has bought that account as well, as it would fit into their behavioral patterns. However, I may be wrong and thus will not add them to the table yet.

[Lauda]

Porting evidence from elsewhere: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1739665.msg17471758#msg17471758

Accounts connected: cfif, BigCoinWhale

Proof:
BigCoinWhale uses the address 1Btc2UrZTqcbjLrr8trx66K9TozQmKeDGN here: https://archive.fo/eUBUN#selection-505.0-505.34
cfif uses the same address here and here: https://archive.fo/LQzo0#selection-2391.0-2393.66 and https://archive.fo/3SxE9#selection-4967.0-4969.66

Addresses:

Code:

1Btc2UrZTqcbjLrr8trx66K9TozQmKeDGN 

Miscellaneous: Intent unknown.