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April 10, 2013, 03:53:40 AM
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I got quite a chuckle out of this.  Grin

Something I've been wondering, have any of the faithful BFLers in the Kansas City area called up and requested a facility tour?

I don't see why this would be an unreasonable request. Perhaps someone should organize a group. Hell for a respectable amount of BTC  I'd be willing to contact them, and organize something. God knows they could use a nice little PR event right now, with real members of the community, as they've lost so much credibility.  I work for a fortune 20 and have been in front of my CTO and different VPs over time... I do know that after the second time of saying "2 weeks" I'd be out of a job.

Don't get me wrong, for the diversity of bitcoin I really hope they do deliver a product... but my dad always said "you can wish in one hand, and crap in the other... see which one fills up first."

Long live BTC!!!
 

I have been to their old office. I may actually be in the area tomorrow so maybe I'll swing in. I know 1 other miner in town too so I'll text him... although he ordered batch 2 avalon so not sure how much he cares about BFL.

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April 10, 2013, 03:55:08 AM
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I got quite a chuckle out of this.  Grin

Something I've been wondering, have any of the faithful BFLers in the Kansas City area called up and requested a facility tour?

I don't see why this would be an unreasonable request. Perhaps someone should organize a group. Hell for a respectable amount of BTC  I'd be willing to contact them, and organize something. God knows they could use a nice little PR event right now, with real members of the community, as they've lost so much credibility.  I work for a fortune 20 and have been in front of my CTO and different VPs over time... I do know that after the second time of saying "2 weeks" I'd be out of a job.

Don't get me wrong, for the diversity of bitcoin I really hope they do deliver a product... but my dad always said "you can wish in one hand, and crap in the other... see which one fills up first."

Long live BTC!!!
 

I have been to their old office. I may actually be in the area tomorrow so maybe I'll swing in. I know 1 other miner in town too so I'll text him... although he ordered batch 2 avalon so not sure how much he cares about BFL.
If he ordered an avalon as you said then he REALLY cares about seeing BFL because 100TH that will never come to market would make his avalon worth a lot more wouldnt it?


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April 10, 2013, 04:00:26 AM
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When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?

Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.

The FCC has no record of any such device. Inaba was flat out lying.

What evidence do you have for this?

The FCC can take months to process the paperwork even after a test lab produces a report, and if BFL outsourced the design, the paperwork will not necessarily mention the company or even the product by name. Companies can also pay for confidentiality, which BFL would have done.

WRONG!

Apologies for bumping heads with you, nathan, on this. Will provide proof in a sec, bud.

Here we go! The following is to show that the FCC broadcast up-to-date info regarding all filings on their website.



Clicking for details on the first one on the list:



Then clicking Authorization (Cover Letter)



As one can clearly see, all is up as of yesterday the 8th for the search term I supplied. By using this form on this URL https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm?calledFromFrame=N anybody can conduct their own search for BF Labs, Butterfly Labs, Butterfly, even just Inc. which I have done and sort via states to narrow your search down. I've done Kansas, Missouri, and Wyoming for the past two years, and didn't find a single listing for BFL.

Now, somebody tell me how them FGPA's got out the door with nary a law being broken.

I challenge anybody here to snap an image of an FCC label/tag on their FPGA miner from BFL and provide the pic for all to see.
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April 10, 2013, 04:52:20 AM
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OP's pic is worth a thousand words lawsuits
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April 10, 2013, 05:09:54 AM
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I got quite a chuckle out of this.  Grin

Something I've been wondering, have any of the faithful BFLers in the Kansas City area called up and requested a facility tour?

I don't see why this would be an unreasonable request. Perhaps someone should organize a group. Hell for a respectable amount of BTC  I'd be willing to contact them, and organize something. God knows they could use a nice little PR event right now, with real members of the community, as they've lost so much credibility.  I work for a fortune 20 and have been in front of my CTO and different VPs over time... I do know that after the second time of saying "2 weeks" I'd be out of a job.

Don't get me wrong, for the diversity of bitcoin I really hope they do deliver a product... but my dad always said "you can wish in one hand, and crap in the other... see which one fills up first."

Long live BTC!!!
 

I have been to their old office. I may actually be in the area tomorrow so maybe I'll swing in. I know 1 other miner in town too so I'll text him... although he ordered batch 2 avalon so not sure how much he cares about BFL.

I would be curious to know what you'd see. I wish I could have gotten my hand on an Avalon. Until another "legitimate" organization comes forward or BFL delivers there is only one company, and those fortunate enough to get in on the limited production runs will benefit.

Diversification and decentralization are what make this whole thing beautiful man. I hope BFL management hasn't forgotten that, as the inability to deliver will hurt bitcoin in my opinion.
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April 10, 2013, 05:13:40 AM
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I was saying the same.. Roll Eyes

23 days or less, until butterflylabs to move their initial asic products delivery date to 2013 February.. #bitcoin #bfl http://t.co/bLqwychT
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April 10, 2013, 07:15:15 AM
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However, their claims of having a prototype when it was clear they did not is misrepresenting the facts.

AFAIK they never said they have a working prototype (until recently).

I have asked them a gazillion times during the last 7 month and they (Inaba/Josh) either ignored this questions or weasled its way out.



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April 10, 2013, 07:52:29 AM
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Hehe, a friend of mine, partner lawyer from nyc, after I talked to him about the whole thingy with the BFL, ordered couple of singles yesterday. He also had a phone call with them and they told him that the units will be at his place in couple of days. He said that if he don't get it as they told him, they're done.

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April 10, 2013, 08:04:13 AM
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Hehe, a friend of mine, partner lawyer from nyc, after I talked to him about the whole thingy with the BFL, ordered couple of singles yesterday. He also had a phone call with them and they told him that the units will be at his place in couple of days. He said that if he don't get it as they told him, they're done.

And yet other people who've ordered in the last couple of days have been told their units will be delivered in July.  And BFL_Steven says if they're shipping anything at all within the next week, it will only be developer units.

No doubt BFL will either say your friend misunderstood about the delivery date (the gen 2 units don't even exist yet, so they can't possibly be shipped) or say whoever he spoke to in customer service is new.  The "Single" is a product which can no longer be ordered.

At this point, people really need to start to insist on communicating with executive staff like Jody.  If the GM gives inaccurate information, it's harder for them to blame shift when official inquiries into their operations are made (which now seems inevitable).

Let's also not forget that their incompetence is apparently systemic and extends to their administration as well as the technical side of their operations.

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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April 10, 2013, 08:18:17 AM
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It's not incompetence. It's simply not possible that they believe their own stated timetables at this point.

Order now and receive a product in July? Come on, these people aren't stupid. The only way that will happen is if hundreds of orders are cancelled and the company begins shipping almost immediately. The ironic thing is the cancellations could conceivably cause the company to become insolvent.

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April 10, 2013, 08:50:36 AM
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They're shipping tomorrow! And they label the box very nice!

http://ow.ly/i/1tV2q

You will get the "o'fans" tags in a separate shipment. Somewhere around august, they are printing now.
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April 10, 2013, 03:40:20 PM
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Hehe, a friend of mine, partner lawyer from nyc, after I talked to him about the whole thingy with the BFL, ordered couple of singles yesterday. He also had a phone call with them and they told him that the units will be at his place in couple of days. He said that if he don't get it as they told him, they're done.

This could be fun. Can someone bring the popcorn?

Also, no new pictures from Luke-JR with his product from Butter Full of Lies since the 1 april. Strange isn't?
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April 10, 2013, 03:42:09 PM
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I got quite a chuckle out of this.  Grin

Something I've been wondering, have any of the faithful BFLers in the Kansas City area called up and requested a facility tour?

I don't see why this would be an unreasonable request. Perhaps someone should organize a group. Hell for a respectable amount of BTC  I'd be willing to contact them, and organize something. God knows they could use a nice little PR event right now, with real members of the community, as they've lost so much credibility.  I work for a fortune 20 and have been in front of my CTO and different VPs over time... I do know that after the second time of saying "2 weeks" I'd be out of a job.

Don't get me wrong, for the diversity of bitcoin I really hope they do deliver a product... but my dad always said "you can wish in one hand, and crap in the other... see which one fills up first."

Long live BTC!!!
 

I have been to their old office. I may actually be in the area tomorrow so maybe I'll swing in. I know 1 other miner in town too so I'll text him... although he ordered batch 2 avalon so not sure how much he cares about BFL.

I would be curious to know what you'd see. I wish I could have gotten my hand on an Avalon. Until another "legitimate" organization comes forward or BFL delivers there is only one company, and those fortunate enough to get in on the limited production runs will benefit.

Diversification and decentralization are what make this whole thing beautiful man. I hope BFL management hasn't forgotten that, as the inability to deliver will hurt bitcoin in my opinion.

All I saw was an office basically. They had a room that had a bunch of spare parts and they (one guy) were busy trying to modify the old mini case to fit the new hardware (I don't think they did this). They did have 1 mini-rig which appeared to be mining, but all the employees also had their own singles plugged in to laptops (with those whirligigs on top). It was a shitty building in a not so great part of town that they kind of borrowed from someone's relative (used to be a photography business). All other employees were busy with order tracking and responding to customers... maybe like 6 people in 1 room. I think I met Sonny and he was nice enough to show me the board (no chips obv).

The weird part was the reason I was to begin with was for an interview for a rep position (basically to improve customer relations). Jody was really nice and likable, but didn't really ask me many questions like a normal interviewer would. Instead it seemed as if she was "selling" me on BFL and wanted to know if I'd read things in the forums so she could explain things to me. I didn't take the job as I was only interested in assisting with building the hardware after hours if they needed that. Talking to the other miner I know here in KC (met on localbitcoins) he was in their old office for the same reason (also didn't take the job).

To me it seems they aren't out to scam anyone but just suck at delivering products on time. Smiley

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April 11, 2013, 12:53:55 AM
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At this point, I've completely given up on BFL and their shill & shady business practices.  I'm not going to waste my time nor mental strength chasing them around in circles.  I wouldn't be surprised if they started shipping at Q1 of 2014 at the rate they're going.  Regardless, this further proves BFL is just a piss-poor company who are run by monkeys.
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At this point, I've completely given up on BFL and their shill & shady business practices.  I'm not going to waste my time nor mental strength chasing them around in circles.  I wouldn't be surprised if they started shipping at Q1 of 2014 at the rate they're going.  Regardless, this further proves BFL is just a piss-poor company who are run by monkeys.

Seriously, no need to insult the monkeys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5CrUcYVsZ4
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April 11, 2013, 01:49:15 AM
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how did I miss the OP?

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April 11, 2013, 02:33:39 AM
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Hopefully some thieves

Shipping late is theft? I better go change the legislation.

Plain and simple "SUCK IT"

I was trolling you 3 months ago about BFL

Now look at this continued bullshit ....but no you are still there ever obedient lap dog/employee who cares

They are complete and utter liars --How about the Bitcoin Bet with another convicted liar Luke Jr that they shipped a unit on April 1

I know reality is hard to face when u have been living in denial for sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long but come on at least acknowledge they have soooooooooooommmmmmmmmmeeeeeething to answer 

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I got quite a chuckle out of this.  Grin

Something I've been wondering, have any of the faithful BFLers in the Kansas City area called up and requested a facility tour?

I don't see why this would be an unreasonable request. Perhaps someone should organize a group. Hell for a respectable amount of BTC  I'd be willing to contact them, and organize something. God knows they could use a nice little PR event right now, with real members of the community, as they've lost so much credibility.  I work for a fortune 20 and have been in front of my CTO and different VPs over time... I do know that after the second time of saying "2 weeks" I'd be out of a job.

Don't get me wrong, for the diversity of bitcoin I really hope they do deliver a product... but my dad always said "you can wish in one hand, and crap in the other... see which one fills up first."

Long live BTC!!!
 


I can't tell if you're just trolling, but I'm going to assume you're not and that you don't already know this.

Pretty much this exact same discussion took place around September 2012.  It culminated in BFL flying first Kano, and then Luke-Jr out to check them out.  I'll let you decide how that turned out.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112543.0

I never did get an answer on why Luke-Jr went instead of Yochdog as was originally planned.

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April 11, 2013, 07:34:37 AM
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BFL obviously lied from back in September at least.

"final stages of development" does not EQUAL out to 8 months later still no products shipped.

BFL is a full of shit business that operates on lies and shady dealings.

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April 11, 2013, 08:09:03 AM
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A redditor claims to have visited BFL unannounced within the last 24 hours and sounds pretty underwhelmed by what he saw.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c3hyc/toured_butterflylabs_a_few_hours_ago/

This is something redditors near Kansas City have been talking about doing for a couple of days.

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