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April 09, 2013, 08:40:18 PM |
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Nice find from Kelticfox here: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1709-browsing-bfl-facebook-page-made-me-chuckle.html#post23137Thought I share this with you for giggles ... Kelticfox: I was linked to the BFL Facebook page today and was flicking through the old posts and this made me chuckle..... 20th September 2012  27th November 2012  13th December 2012  18th January 2013  22nd January 2013  22nd January 2013  26th February 2013  26th February 2013  Made me chuckle.... got to the 26th February and BFL are like "Screw it.... " |
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April 09, 2013, 08:44:28 PM |
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Hilarious.
Hopefully some thieves go to jail for this fraud, or in the case of some BFL officers *BACK* to jail for fraud.
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April 10, 2013, 12:25:12 AM |
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Very nice graphic way of illustrating that the final stages have been rolling on for about 6 months and counting! What sort of project manager does this? A competent PM would foresee all these difficulties and plan ahead instead of delaying the project and still keep raking in people's pre-orders (which is not very good business practise either) and further delaying shipping dates.
BTW, I got an email from BFL that the shipping dates will be in July.... or before! When I ordered, it was in June. Lets see how many months this keeps on going!
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"Everything is a matter of degree"
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nathanrees19
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April 10, 2013, 12:33:58 AM |
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Hopefully some thieves Shipping late is theft? I better go change the legislation. |
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April 10, 2013, 12:37:17 AM |
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Hopefully some thieves Shipping late is theft? I better go change the legislation. actually most pre-order people do have a good civil case right now. The date was changed so many times and they are losing money..... Fraud would be telling someone you are shipping next week WHEN YOU KNOW THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE. That has occurred several times hasn't it? |
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nathanrees19
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April 10, 2013, 12:40:17 AM |
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Fraud would be telling someone you are shipping next week WHEN YOU KNOW THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE.
It's nice how it's obvious after it happens, right? |
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April 10, 2013, 12:43:16 AM |
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Fraud would be telling someone you are shipping next week WHEN YOU KNOW THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE.
It's nice how it's obvious after it happens, right? No, it was obvious several times to Josh wasn't it? Why deny it? Several times he has said he is a week from shipping BEFORE HE EVEN BUILT A PROTOTYPE. That would be fraud. |
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April 10, 2013, 12:47:10 AM |
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Hopefully some thieves Shipping late is theft? I better go change the legislation. I'm one for "innocent until proven guilty", so let's look at the facts: - A company takes money for a product that they say they will give by a certain time
- They fail to provide that product by that time
That's guilty in and of itself, but most people will give more time-- so we do! Another month. Then another. Then another. How much guilt do you need to call someone guilty of lying? And if the lie is related to a promise of service/product after receiving payments, how many decades does it take to know for sure they scammed you? This isn't a community "misunderstanding", nor is it an unfair "guilty until proven innocent" assessment. It's a very natural reaction to a company who has never provided a product people paid for. When they provide it, just as it is in court, the evidence will set them free (for the most part), but until then you seem to be defending something you admit is wrong. Why? No one is saying they can't make spiffy cases (I love their cases!), but you can't mine bitcoins with fans alone. |
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April 10, 2013, 12:47:35 AM |
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to the OP...thats downright AWESOME!
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April 10, 2013, 12:52:26 AM |
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Hopefully some thieves Shipping late is theft? I better go change the legislation. Holy crap dude really? You still think they're *JUST* incompetent? Please explain to me how there was ever a > 0% chance of any ASIC mining products leaving Butterfly Labs during 2012. Then explain to me how BFL staff could have possibly failed to recognize this fact for months while they continuously told pre-order victims that they'd "scheduled shipments" x number of days or weeks in the future. Then there's the official "honest abe" faq that said they'd ship in October of 2012.  |
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April 10, 2013, 01:10:52 AM |
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Holy crap dude really? You still think they're *JUST* incompetent? Please explain to me how there was ever a > 0% chance of any ASIC mining products leaving Butterfly Labs during 2012. Then explain to me how BFL staff could have possibly failed to recognize this fact for months while they continuously told pre-order victims that they'd "scheduled shipments" x number of days or weeks in the future. Then there's the official "honest abe" faq that said they'd ship in October of 2012. Yep... I've been saying this since December... They knew damn well they wouldn't have products in October/November. They lied and continue to lie to collect more pre-order monies and deter refunds. I believe they are getting close now, but I still think they are giving overly optimistic dates like "next week". Next week... every week. Ah.. I love being an Avalon customer and not having to worry about BFL's incompetence. PS: just ignore nathanrees19... he's just a BFL fan boi  |
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April 10, 2013, 01:14:42 AM |
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Not incompetence. Fraud. That's the point.
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April 10, 2013, 01:37:35 AM |
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That's guilty in and of itself, but most people will give more time-- so we do! Another month. Then another. Then another. How much guilt do you need to call someone guilty of lying? No amount of delays turns it into a lie. Find me internal documentation from BFL showing a projected ship date of 2013 along with "let's lie and say it will be done in 2012" and I'll believe you. Until then, it's a straight-up case of amateurs trying to get into the ASIC business and not having any fucking idea of what they're doing. |
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April 10, 2013, 01:38:41 AM |
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Hopefully some thieves Shipping late is theft? I better go change the legislation. Holy crap dude really? You still think they're *JUST* incompetent? Please explain to me how there was ever a > 0% chance of any ASIC mining products leaving Butterfly Labs during 2012. You don't understand. The chance can be 0% but if they don't realise that due to incompetence then they're not lying, just stupid. |
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April 10, 2013, 01:40:43 AM |
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Holy crap dude really? You still think they're *JUST* incompetent? Please explain to me how there was ever a > 0% chance of any ASIC mining products leaving Butterfly Labs during 2012. Then explain to me how BFL staff could have possibly failed to recognize this fact for months while they continuously told pre-order victims that they'd "scheduled shipments" x number of days or weeks in the future. Then there's the official "honest abe" faq that said they'd ship in October of 2012. Yep... I've been saying this since December... Hindsight bias is amazing. They knew damn well they wouldn't have products in October/November.
How do you know that they knew this when they gave initial estimates? You're implying that they were competent enough to understand all of the challenges. |
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April 10, 2013, 01:41:20 AM |
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No amount of delays turns it into a lie.
Ordinarily I'd agree with the sentiment, as my company too was very late producing something (Bitcoin Magazine) and it was a stressful time bringing it to market despite very real unforeseen challanges. However, what you're basically doing is discounting MyBitcoin.com as a "mistake". And Pirateat40 for that matter. Were's the *proof* that they intended to run with the money? |
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April 10, 2013, 01:41:33 AM |
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PS: just ignore nathanrees19... he's just a BFL fan boi You realise that I'm flat out calling them stupid, right? |
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April 10, 2013, 01:43:48 AM |
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PS: just ignore nathanrees19... he's just a BFL fan boi You realise that I'm flat out calling them stupid, right? I think the chances of you being so stupid that you actually believe what you're saying in this thread is < 0%. Therefore I'm putting you on ignore. |
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April 10, 2013, 01:46:38 AM |
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PS: just ignore nathanrees19... he's just a BFL fan boi You realise that I'm flat out calling them stupid, right? I think the chances of you being so stupid that you actually believe what you're saying in this thread is < 0%. Therefore I'm putting you on ignore. I'm stupid for thinking that BFL is incompetent? |
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