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January 10, 2017, 04:30:55 PM
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Real money launders work with large amount of money. Just 20 money launders can use all the bitcoins but the value of the bitcoin which is volatile cant save the their resources. With money laundering Bitcoin should get scarce and should price increases.
in fact the perpetrators of money laundering is a very irresponsible. all the things that break the law should be eliminated.
Most launders are liable criminals and the use of the anonymity bitcoin is still not known by most leader in some part of country. That is why their stolen money can be traced and recover.

it seems the criminals do not yet know if yes bitcoin might be many trasaksi they do through bitcoin, it's possible that such transactions will be tracked?


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January 10, 2017, 04:38:44 PM
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yeah it is a good way for laundry money due to bitcoins anonymaty, i have no doubt that there are a lot of lpeople doing it rigth now, that cant be helped

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yeah it is a good way for laundry money due to bitcoins anonymaty, i have no doubt that there are a lot of lpeople doing it rigth now, that cant be helped

Dude, stop whoring your referral and post something that makes sense. Bitcoin is not anonymous, it is pseudo anonymous, so it does not

make it ideal to use this technology to launder any money. Most of that money has to enter the fiat system at some time, and then the

regulated exchanges will strip ALL anonymity. If you keep it in bitcoin and spend it, it makes it easier to trace you... so it is actually a horrible

method to launder money.  Roll Eyes

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January 10, 2017, 05:03:00 PM
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Yes of course, its one of the reasons why every countries are wary of it . When my country issued a warning on virtual currrencies they have also included it or have it as their number one example of legal risks .

However you must know that bitcoin is not absolutely anonymous but it is pseudo-nymous that is why it is difficult to trace . And most people who owns a huge amount of it keep it divided in a different addresses . Then again money laundering depends per country cause some countries regulates bitcoin so It will be difficult .

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January 10, 2017, 09:45:38 PM
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yeah it is a good way for laundry money due to bitcoins anonymaty, i have no doubt that there are a lot of lpeople doing it rigth now, that cant be helped
yes i am also agree with you that bitcoin is really the most easiest way of money laundary and one can do that without any risk. but i think most fo the money alundary cases will be in under developed countries whose people and leaders are mostly corrupted people and they wan to prevent themselves from tax.
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January 11, 2017, 12:27:10 AM
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yeah it is a good way for laundry money due to bitcoins anonymaty, i have no doubt that there are a lot of lpeople doing it rigth now, that cant be helped

Dude, stop whoring your referral and post something that makes sense. Bitcoin is not anonymous, it is pseudo anonymous, so it does not

make it ideal to use this technology to launder any money. Most of that money has to enter the fiat system at some time, and then the

regulated exchanges will strip ALL anonymity. If you keep it in bitcoin and spend it, it makes it easier to trace you... so it is actually a horrible

method to launder money.  Roll Eyes
Unless the owner of the wallet publicly claim an address it can not be traced to him/her.  Even if it can be traced it cant be seized. Also when an address is publicly claimed in the matter of some hours you can create a new wallet identity and send your currency there. Not that I support the criminal advantage but this is what the currency is capable of doing.

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January 11, 2017, 01:29:31 AM
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yeah it is a good way for laundry money due to bitcoins anonymaty, i have no doubt that there are a lot of lpeople doing it rigth now, that cant be helped
yes i am also agree with you that bitcoin is really the most easiest way of money laundary and one can do that without any risk. but i think most fo the money alundary cases will be in under developed countries whose people and leaders are mostly corrupted people and they wan to prevent themselves from tax.

That's common, not only in the developed countries everywhere its found. People feel of paying tax , because they have earned it hard as well they pay for each and everything separate tax, so what's the need of levying tax once again. Recently too Murgio, an illegal exchange intermediate have been victimized for involving into billions of money laundering using bitcoin.

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January 11, 2017, 02:53:07 AM
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yeah it is a good way for laundry money due to bitcoins anonymaty, i have no doubt that there are a lot of lpeople doing it rigth now, that cant be helped
yes i am also agree with you that bitcoin is really the most easiest way of money laundary and one can do that without any risk. but i think most fo the money alundary cases will be in under developed countries whose people and leaders are mostly corrupted people and they wan to prevent themselves from tax.

That's common, not only in the developed countries everywhere its found. People feel of paying tax , because they have earned it hard as well they pay for each and everything separate tax, so what's the need of levying tax once again. Recently too Murgio, an illegal exchange intermediate have been victimized for involving into billions of money laundering using bitcoin.
The government cannot see all the money laundering transactions online but there approach is risk based, they are keeping an eye on big exchanges where big money is coming in and out and no matter how you mixed your transactions for the purpose to launder it, but once you are already in the watch list, you have to justify your holdings on how you obtain it.


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January 11, 2017, 02:56:47 AM
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yeah it is a good way for laundry money due to bitcoins anonymaty, i have no doubt that there are a lot of lpeople doing it rigth now, that cant be helped
yes i am also agree with you that bitcoin is really the most easiest way of money laundary and one can do that without any risk. but i think most fo the money alundary cases will be in under developed countries whose people and leaders are mostly corrupted people and they wan to prevent themselves from tax.
they are the people who want to avoid the tax. This of course is a drawback bitcoin viewed from a government / institution. with bitcoin circulation of money in a country can not be monitored and controlled.

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January 11, 2017, 02:57:49 AM
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UK's HMT (Her Majesty's Treasury) did a report on potential avenues for money laundering.  Digital currencies were found to be the least likely method to finance terrorism or criminal risk.

Yes, possible but there are more mainstream and easier methods.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/468210/UK_NRA_October_2015_final_web.pdf
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January 11, 2017, 03:11:26 AM
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If you have 50k stolen euro's and you put that 50k stolen euro's in bitcoin (cash to btc) and cash out on your bank account it is still illegal money?

Am I stupid our do you guys not see this?

If you want to launder it you should setup a fake business that get a lot of fake income from bitcoin.
Gl with that..
Better open a shitty barber store.
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the silk road captures were tracked based on the amounts of the tx's.  so, yes, if you buy $50,000 worth of btc with illegal funds and then cash that same amount out, it is easily traced, especially if there was a very recent drug trade for $50,000

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January 11, 2017, 03:23:26 AM
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It is possible, but bitcoin is not fully anonymous, so using a mixer may be tracked. Some landry money with monero or dash, which is more secure.
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January 11, 2017, 03:32:57 AM
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If you have 50k stolen euro's and you put that 50k stolen euro's in bitcoin (cash to btc) and cash out on your bank account it is still illegal money?

Am I stupid our do you guys not see this?

If you want to launder it you should setup a fake business that get a lot of fake income from bitcoin.
Gl with that..
Better open a shitty barber store.

That's one way of going about it. The mafia always had restaurants, barber shops, anything that would generate cash anyways. That way they could just say it was tips or a bonus or really whatever they wanted.

Laundering with bitcoins is so much simpler. Go to the address in my signature. Boom.
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January 11, 2017, 03:37:22 AM
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If you have 50k stolen euro's and you put that 50k stolen euro's in bitcoin (cash to btc) and cash out on your bank account it is still illegal money?

Am I stupid our do you guys not see this?

If you want to launder it you should setup a fake business that get a lot of fake income from bitcoin.
Gl with that..
Better open a shitty barber store.

That's one way of going about it. The mafia always had restaurants, barber shops, anything that would generate cash anyways. That way they could just say it was tips or a bonus or really whatever they wanted.

Laundering with bitcoins is so much simpler. Go to the address in my signature. Boom.

if you are going for business laundering then you should use a service industry.  there is no way to track the movement of an intangible object.

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January 11, 2017, 03:39:29 AM
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Yes of course, with save our money to bitcoin anyone don't know and track, this is the bad side of bitcoin that anonymous. But it depends of peoples, for me if I have big money will report to the governement if I save my money to bitcoin.

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Since bitcoin is based on a set of point to point on the decentralized system, the outside world can not through a core infrastructure by controlling or close it, can not find the money flow behind the personal information, because outsiders can see it is a bitcoin wallet address and a string of random letters and digital information. As a new thing, the lack of legal regulation, bitcoin birth become money laundering and the sale of various contraband paradise is inevitable.
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Is it possible to do money laundering via bitcoin? I mean as no one knows if you have bitcoin and how much bitcoin do you actually own, it could be used to convert black money to white right? Or at least store your black money without much hassle. But there is the risk of its value but I think for people who have lots of black money and don't want to be caught, this risk might be worth taking for them isn't it?
What are your thoughts?

Yes actually there are people that has been doing laundering with bitcoin. In fact, here in my country the central bank advises not to use bitcoin.

Because they found out that many of my countrymen are using it to launder money and there was a case that someone laundered almost $70 million money from Bangladesh bank.

I think most of the people in the dark net are doing this most of the time.

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January 11, 2017, 04:59:25 AM
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Is it possible to do money laundering via bitcoin? I mean as no one knows if you have bitcoin and how much bitcoin do you actually own, it could be used to convert black money to white right? Or at least store your black money without much hassle. But there is the risk of its value but I think for people who have lots of black money and don't want to be caught, this risk might be worth taking for them isn't it?
What are your thoughts?

Yes actually there are people that has been doing laundering with bitcoin. In fact, here in my country the central bank advises not to use bitcoin.

Because they found out that many of my countrymen are using it to launder money and there was a case that someone laundered almost $70 million money from Bangladesh bank.

I think most of the people in the dark net are doing this most of the time.
What country are you living? I don't believe that a government would advise its people not to use bitcoin, otherwise they will just simply ban it, end of story. Bitcoin is not a threat if they have a strong control to combat anti money laundering act, bitcoin is freedom and you cannot take that opportunity from the people. I'll tell you, I will be the first one to oppose to any government that would advise not to use bitcoin.

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January 11, 2017, 05:31:44 AM
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Real money launders work with large amount of money. Just 20 money launders can use all the bitcoins but the value of the bitcoin which is volatile cant save the their resources. With money laundering Bitcoin should get scarce and should price increases.
in fact the perpetrators of money laundering is a very irresponsible. all the things that break the law should be eliminated.
Most launders are liable criminals and the use of the anonymity bitcoin is still not known by most leader in some part of country. That is why their stolen money can be traced and recover.

it seems the criminals do not yet know if yes bitcoin might be many trasaksi they do through bitcoin, it's possible that such transactions will be tracked?
I do not think there is a method to determine the bitcoin addresses have who? no one can know what the purpose of that transaction? That is the advantage of bitcoin. the possibility of you will be tracked is a very small. That's why bitcoin greatly feared by many governments
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