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January 28, 2017, 04:00:35 PM
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Laundering can be done through any type of currency especially with bitcoin, because bitcoin is biggest value coin where huge money can be transferred in single transaction through bitcoin, but it is not possible with fiat currency. Bulk transaction can be easily identified by banks, so it is very hard to transfer bulk transaction with fiat currency.

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January 28, 2017, 05:13:34 PM
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Laundering can be done through any type of currency especially with bitcoin, because bitcoin is biggest value coin where huge money can be transferred in single transaction through bitcoin, but it is not possible with fiat currency. Bulk transaction can be easily identified by banks, so it is very hard to transfer bulk transaction with fiat currency.

Are you sure it is impossible? There are maaany ways you can do this with fiat. You do not need to carry a million banknotes in a bag in order to transfer $1.000.000 to someone else without anyone knowing about it. But criminals existed even before Bitcoin, so it's certainly not the only way to launder money..

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January 28, 2017, 05:21:04 PM
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Laundering can be done through any type of currency especially with bitcoin, because bitcoin is biggest value coin where huge money can be transferred in single transaction through bitcoin, but it is not possible with fiat currency. Bulk transaction can be easily identified by banks, so it is very hard to transfer bulk transaction with fiat currency.

Are you sure it is impossible? There are maaany ways you can do this with fiat. You do not need to carry a million banknotes in a bag in order to transfer $1.000.000 to someone else without anyone knowing about it. But criminals existed even before Bitcoin, so it's certainly not the only way to launder money

And how are you going to do that with fiat? It is certainly possible through precious metals (e.g. gold coins), but I'm really curious how are you going to transfer, say, 1M dollars in fiat unless you are using cash with bags stacked with Benjamins. Indeed, you could use some online payment processors or anonymous plastic cards, but I don't think you will be able to transfer that much without risking your anonymity. The transfer will likely get locked until you provide complete details of your identity

So what is your scheme or it didn't happen?
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January 29, 2017, 11:43:55 AM
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How can Bitcoin be used as a money laundering method? As a result, they will be asking for the source of these dollars when we convert our BTCs and transfer my bank account in dollars.

They will ask us how we won these BTCs. Then how we will give they an answer.

chances are they wash the money only for dimpan first, just to get rid of any traces let untraceable anywhere goings
Laundering money with Bitcoin is something that anyone can do. Of course there are many ways for you to have a bank account that will not associate to you. Banks also have the client secrecy in which they are not allowed to put your bank account in to someone's police investigation it is a violation of privacy. Bitcoin can be a tool in money laundering.

When we open an account from any bank, we need to confirm our identity information.
How can we open a bank account without personal information?
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January 29, 2017, 12:08:01 PM
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How can Bitcoin be used as a money laundering method? As a result, they will be asking for the source of these dollars when we convert our BTCs and transfer my bank account in dollars.

They will ask us how we won these BTCs. Then how we will give they an answer.

chances are they wash the money only for dimpan first, just to get rid of any traces let untraceable anywhere goings
Laundering money with Bitcoin is something that anyone can do. Of course there are many ways for you to have a bank account that will not associate to you. Banks also have the client secrecy in which they are not allowed to put your bank account in to someone's police investigation it is a violation of privacy. Bitcoin can be a tool in money laundering.

When we open an account from any bank, we need to confirm our identity information.
How can we open a bank account without personal information?
Offshore accounts, you can possibly open them in certain countries that aren't this strict in verification. You will need lots of those if you're doing it on a large scale.

Else, LocalBitcoins would be the easiest way. I do not encourage any form of money laundering but these are the most viable ways.

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January 29, 2017, 01:28:23 PM
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How can Bitcoin be used as a money laundering method? As a result, they will be asking for the source of these dollars when we convert our BTCs and transfer my bank account in dollars.

They will ask us how we won these BTCs. Then how we will give they an answer.

chances are they wash the money only for dimpan first, just to get rid of any traces let untraceable anywhere goings
Laundering money with Bitcoin is something that anyone can do. Of course there are many ways for you to have a bank account that will not associate to you. Banks also have the client secrecy in which they are not allowed to put your bank account in to someone's police investigation it is a violation of privacy. Bitcoin can be a tool in money laundering.

When we open an account from any bank, we need to confirm our identity information.
How can we open a bank account without personal information?
Offshore accounts, you can possibly open them in certain countries that aren't this strict in verification. You will need lots of those if you're doing it on a large scale.

Else, LocalBitcoins would be the easiest way. I do not encourage any form of money laundering but these are the most viable ways.


Offshore accounts can be. But the time we use the accounts here may not be very safe. We also get caught if we want to withdraw the money there and put our bank account in our country.

The same applies to the LocalBitcoins system. Even if we take the money out of hand, we will have to put in my bank account.

We will be caught when we reach a certain transaction limit.
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January 29, 2017, 01:36:39 PM
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I don't think that Bitcoin is popular method for money laundering. Just look at market cap and daily volume - it is too small. Money laundering is done via the old channels and they do not need Bitcoins. Swiss banks welcomes all  Smiley

About 15 Swiss banks reportedly in money laundering 'red zone'
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January 29, 2017, 01:52:45 PM
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How can Bitcoin be used as a money laundering method? As a result, they will be asking for the source of these dollars when we convert our BTCs and transfer my bank account in dollars.

They will ask us how we won these BTCs. Then how we will give they an answer.

chances are they wash the money only for dimpan first, just to get rid of any traces let untraceable anywhere goings
Laundering money with Bitcoin is something that anyone can do. Of course there are many ways for you to have a bank account that will not associate to you. Banks also have the client secrecy in which they are not allowed to put your bank account in to someone's police investigation it is a violation of privacy. Bitcoin can be a tool in money laundering.

When we open an account from any bank, we need to confirm our identity information.
How can we open a bank account without personal information?
He is saying that banks collect their personal info but they do not reveal their members personal info to any third party or any investigation authority. But he is wrong because up to which I know banks are bounded with governments and they will provide any of our info to the government or investigation department whenever they feel any doubt with out account.
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January 29, 2017, 03:10:05 PM
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I don't think that Bitcoin is popular method for money laundering. Just look at market cap and daily volume - it is too small. Money laundering is done via the old channels and they do not need Bitcoins. Swiss banks welcomes all  Smiley

About 15 Swiss banks reportedly in money laundering 'red zone'

it is because many people think money laundering is just changing a 100 dollar bill to 5x 20 dollar bills or sending 10BTC to a mixer and getting 10BTC clean!!!
that is not it at all. money laundering means you put dirty money in your business or something similar and report it as your legit earning. for example you have a restaurant and at the end of the month you say you had 1000 more customers than you really had, pay the taxes and have it as clean money.

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February 02, 2017, 07:18:43 PM
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I don't think that Bitcoin is popular method for money laundering. Just look at market cap and daily volume - it is too small. Money laundering is done via the old channels and they do not need Bitcoins. Swiss banks welcomes all  Smiley

About 15 Swiss banks reportedly in money laundering 'red zone'

it is because many people think money laundering is just changing a 100 dollar bill to 5x 20 dollar bills or sending 10BTC to a mixer and getting 10BTC clean!!!
that is not it at all. money laundering means you put dirty money in your business or something similar and report it as your legit earning. for example you have a restaurant and at the end of the month you say you had 1000 more customers than you really had, pay the taxes and have it as clean money.

In such a case, what should we do if we need to prove that we serve 1000 customers.
If we exist is a camera in the restaurant, they may want to look at the camera records.
They may want to have the bill for the food consumed by 1000 customers.

In general, money laundering is being done more in the service sector. For example, it could be a massage parlor.
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February 02, 2017, 07:46:21 PM
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Bitcoin s transparen,all transactions are public,in a case of fiat money there is possible to hide everything in bank books,there is n money laundering with bitcoin there was,there is and wil be with fiat,it is one of reasons  why big banks dontwant to accept bitcoin


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February 02, 2017, 10:03:11 PM
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I don't think that Bitcoin is popular method for money laundering. Just look at market cap and daily volume - it is too small. Money laundering is done via the old channels and they do not need Bitcoins. Swiss banks welcomes all  Smiley

About 15 Swiss banks reportedly in money laundering 'red zone'

it is because many people think money laundering is just changing a 100 dollar bill to 5x 20 dollar bills or sending 10BTC to a mixer and getting 10BTC clean!!!
that is not it at all. money laundering means you put dirty money in your business or something similar and report it as your legit earning. for example you have a restaurant and at the end of the month you say you had 1000 more customers than you really had, pay the taxes and have it as clean money.
no , i have heard someone explained clearly about this before , not sure where.
but the point is you can do money laundering in bitcoin by convert your money to bitcoin > create bitcoin marketplace site that selling digital goods > and then buy the digital goods by sending the bitcoin that you have to your own site and voila! mission completed.
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February 02, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
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Yes, it is very much possible to launder money with bitcoin and I am sure there are already many cases of this happening. This is also how most of the sites like bitmixer survive and are able to pay those big amounts out on signature campaigns. Since it allows people to be almost anonymous, therefore it is and will always be the best way for people to evade taxes and launder money. It is also the reason some governments are against it.

We know that bitcoin transaction is kept on blockchain which allowed people to traced it, the transactions are never truly anonymous.
Many illegal activities going through bitcoin but the evidence still there, including money laundering.
However, my concern about sites offering to mixer bitcoin, so it can't be traced right? But, I don't think those mixer sites will easily accept money laundering.
That's why some countries issued regulations about bitcoin and exchanges to prevent any kind of those transaction.
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February 02, 2017, 11:35:43 PM
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Bitcoin s transparen,all transactions are public,in a case of fiat money there is possible to hide everything in bank books,there is n money laundering with bitcoin there was,there is and wil be with fiat,it is one of reasons  why big banks dontwant to accept bitcoin
but despite all the transactions in bitcoin is transparent, but you will not know who the owner of the bitcoin address, so it still would be very easy to commit money laundering in bitcoin

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February 02, 2017, 11:40:40 PM
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Laundering can be done through any type of currency especially with bitcoin, because bitcoin is biggest value coin where huge money can be transferred in single transaction through bitcoin, but it is not possible with fiat currency. Bulk transaction can be easily identified by banks, so it is very hard to transfer bulk transaction with fiat currency.

Are you sure it is impossible? There are maaany ways you can do this with fiat. You do not need to carry a million banknotes in a bag in order to transfer $1.000.000 to someone else without anyone knowing about it. But criminals existed even before Bitcoin, so it's certainly not the only way to launder money..

That true, not only for bitcoin that you can launder money. But now, with bitcoin it is very easy and anonymous that is why there are many transaction in dark web doing illegal services to selling illegal substance and bitcoin is payment.

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February 02, 2017, 11:53:14 PM
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Laundering can be done through any type of currency especially with bitcoin, because bitcoin is biggest value coin where huge money can be transferred in single transaction through bitcoin, but it is not possible with fiat currency. Bulk transaction can be easily identified by banks, so it is very hard to transfer bulk transaction with fiat currency.

Are you sure it is impossible? There are maaany ways you can do this with fiat. You do not need to carry a million banknotes in a bag in order to transfer $1.000.000 to someone else without anyone knowing about it. But criminals existed even before Bitcoin, so it's certainly not the only way to launder money..

That true, not only for bitcoin that you can launder money. But now, with bitcoin it is very easy and anonymous that is why there are many transaction in dark web doing illegal services to selling illegal substance and bitcoin is payment.
I think the most easy to use to commit money laundering is bitcoin. but to start well-known and widely used. but bitcoin has features such as anonymous it will give a plus

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February 03, 2017, 12:16:03 AM
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Laundering can be done through any type of currency especially with bitcoin, because bitcoin is biggest value coin where huge money can be transferred in single transaction through bitcoin, but it is not possible with fiat currency. Bulk transaction can be easily identified by banks, so it is very hard to transfer bulk transaction with fiat currency.

Are you sure it is impossible? There are maaany ways you can do this with fiat. You do not need to carry a million banknotes in a bag in order to transfer $1.000.000 to someone else without anyone knowing about it. But criminals existed even before Bitcoin, so it's certainly not the only way to launder money..

That true, not only for bitcoin that you can launder money. But now, with bitcoin it is very easy and anonymous that is why there are many transaction in dark web doing illegal services to selling illegal substance and bitcoin is payment.

All kinds of money can be used in money laudering but why is that some people are taking it all out on bitcoin saying it can increase the the rate of money laundering but if you look in the big picture USD is the most used cuurency when it comes to money laundering .

If you're planning to buy bitcoin bitcoin with a large amount of money do it in a peer to peer patform where no cards or banks are involved just a remittance centers but don't buy in one go . Divide it in a small portions .

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February 03, 2017, 12:37:32 AM
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it's might happen remember not require personal identity to transact it is a perfect way for money laundering but all bitcoin transactions recorded in blockchain. but I read some articles there are some people caught because bitcoin

          
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February 03, 2017, 12:44:00 AM
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Bitcoin is good for money laundrying because it is highly anonymous, but not fully anonymous, it is semi-anon. Actually there are altcoins for full-anon, XMR, DASH and so forth. XMR and DASH are darkmarket dealers' favorite currency, more anonymous than bitcoin, people can't find the transaction details like that on bitcoin blockchain.
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Bitcoin is good for money laundrying because it is highly anonymous, but not fully anonymous, it is semi-anon. Actually there are altcoins for full-anon, XMR, DASH and so forth. XMR and DASH are darkmarket dealers' favorite currency, more anonymous than bitcoin, people can't find the transaction details like that on bitcoin blockchain.

thats why it is easily used on blackmartket. bitcoin can be used easily and fast. it is the main coin that is being used in deepweb to transact illegal things. paying for some illegal in deepweb makes easier by the help of bitcoin. the developers of bitcoin should take action about this matter so that bitcoin will not be used in illegal things.

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