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March 19, 2014, 10:53:21 PM

Here's some reasonably sexy news - SecondMarket is trying to open up their fund to regular mortals.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304026304579449782511589924?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304026304579449782511589924.html

SecondMarket Inc. is racing to open up a private bitcoin investment fund to ordinary investors as soon as the fourth quarter, potentially beating a rival offering by two investors best known for their lawsuit against Facebook Inc.

SecondMarket, which launched the Bitcoin Investment Trust last September to cater to wealthy investors, has started lining up lawyers and investment banks to help with the process.

The Bitcoin Investment Trust buys and sells bitcoins, allowing investors to place bets on the digital currency without owning it directly. It held $54 million in assets under management as of Tuesday, according to its website.

The trust would compete with the Winklevoss Investment Trust, an effort sponsored by Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, who won a $65 million settlement with Facebook's Mr. Zuckerberg in 2008 over their claim that he stole their idea for the social-networking site. The Winklevoss brothers have applied to create an exchange-traded fund specializing in bitcoin.

SecondMarket, primarily a marketplace to trade shares of nonpublic companies, is taking a different route. It wants to take its existing fund, which is geared toward investors with more than $1 million in assets and annual incomes above $200,000, and make it available to ordinary people. It plans to list the fund on OTC OTCM +0.61% Markets, an electronic exchange.

SecondMarket is seeking approval from OTC Markets and the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, a self-regulatory body, to market the trust to investors. The New York firm is lining up investment banks that would act as market-makers, or make commitments to buy or sell shares in the fund, and is screening law firms to act as a securities expert.

If OTC Markets and Finra approve the plan, the fund's shares could become publicly available as soon as the fourth quarter to investors with less than $1 million in assets and annual incomes below $200,000.

SecondMarket's move comes as other firms ramp up efforts to build a more robust investment infrastructure for bitcoin and other digital currencies.
On Tuesday, Pantera Capital said it had joined forces with fellow hedge fund Fortress Investment Group FIG -0.75% and two venture-capital firms to form a fund solely dedicated to bitcoin investments.

Other initiatives, including one led by telecommunications provider Perseus Telecom and a separate venture by SecondMarket, aim to develop fully regulated, high-tech bitcoin exchanges for professional investors.

The Winklevoss fund applied in July for approval from the Securities and Exchange Commission to be classified as an exchange-traded fund, a lengthy process.

Evan Greebel, a lawyer at Katten Muchin Rosenman LLP's New York office who is handling the Winklevoss application, said it is "going smoothly and we don't anticipate any problems." Citing SEC rules, he said he couldn't estimate a timetable for completion of the approval process.

By circumventing the SEC approval process, SecondMarket expects to be the first firm to bring a regulated bitcoin fund to the general public.
Until now, ordinary investors have been able to invest directly in the digital currency only via one of many loosely regulated online exchanges. But that strategy carries risks, as highlighted by last month's collapse of Tokyo-based Mt. Gox, which said in a bankruptcy filing that 850,000 bitcoins had vanished from its coffers.

The Bitcoin Investment Trust pitches itself as a safer vehicle, with its obligations to investors denominated in dollars, not bitcoin, and with regulatory oversight giving investors a greater deal of confidence.

It is unclear how deep such demand for bitcoin runs among the general public. In December, The Wall Street Journal reported that mainstream financial advisers were recommending that their clients steer clear of the highly volatile digital currency.

In keeping with the volatile moves in the price of bitcoin versus the dollar, the SecondMarket trust has seen big swings in value. Since it started trading in September, it is up 371% but is down 20% this year.

OTC Markets is an electronic successor to the decades-old Over The Counter Bulletin Board, also called the "pink sheets," an unregulated market for stocks that don't meet the listing requirements of the New York Stock Exchange or the Nasdaq NDAQ -2.60% Stock Market. SecondMarket's fund is applying to list on a part of OTC Markets known as OTCQX, which has more rigorous financial disclosure requirements and includes big-name foreign companies such as Canada's Bombadier Inc. and Japan's Yamaha Corp. 7951.TO +0.15%

Tyler Winklevoss argues that his fund, which would trade on a fully regulated exchange, is a safer option. "Because the [SEC] hurdles we are going to have to jump are higher and because it's a more rigorous process, the idea is that it is going to be more viable and open to mainstream investors," he said.
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March 19, 2014, 10:54:18 PM

in other news...

bids are growing fast on bitstamp  Smiley

I would expect a small breakout to $630. Probably today or tomorrow.
Disclaimer: i'm all btc and holding so I don't really care about my own predictions.
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March 19, 2014, 11:07:37 PM


... or something like that ... it confused me ... it started sounding like bogus to me and I quickly lost interest.

So, ok this is too complicated for you. It doesn't mean the technology behind ripple is not better than bitcoin... Damn , anyone who read what ripple is about and understand how it works ?



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... or something like that ... it confused me ... it started sounding like bogus to me and I quickly lost interest.

So, ok this is too complicated for you. It doesn't mean the technology behind ripple is not better than bitcoin... Damn , anyone who read what ripple is about and understand how it works ?



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I hope BRICS ( Brasil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) countries will say bye bye to USD as second fiat and take BTC

That is really wishful thinking... ... likely, this kind of thing, if it were to occur at all at some point, would come from a smaller location first.. maybe argentina... or greece or zimbabwe or Haiti...   and probably it would NOT be all in .. but instead a experimental type exploratory situation

Already dollarized countries like Ecuador and El Salvador have already given up the inflation tax, and could therefore be candidates.
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March 19, 2014, 11:36:58 PM

litecoin taking a beating
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March 19, 2014, 11:39:29 PM


... or something like that ... it confused me ... it started sounding like bogus to me and I quickly lost interest.

So, ok this is too complicated for you. It doesn't mean the technology behind ripple is not better than bitcoin... Damn , anyone who read what ripple is about and understand how it works ?



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ouch
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March 19, 2014, 11:46:34 PM

So LTC is just a pump and dump coin like every other alt coin as it looks like.
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March 19, 2014, 11:55:53 PM

Ok Smiley I can say another day started for me Smiley

And I am curious what is going to be price in next 24h Smiley

I hope ++ will appear Smiley Smiley

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March 19, 2014, 11:59:26 PM

So LTC is just a pump and dump coin like every other alt coin as it looks like.

surprise surprise
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March 20, 2014, 12:03:35 AM

There is obviously price manipulation going on at bitcoin.de. Somebody asking 439 EUR for 200 Coins, 200 Coins trade minimum.
Nobody would wire 87k EUR to somebody unknown. So this is for sure sb. trying to keep the price down.
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March 20, 2014, 12:06:19 AM

What's a good entry point to buy LTC? Put buy orders at 17,5 but it's been dropping quite a bit

I wouldn't really buy it yet.. the Huobi hype is over, it will move now with Bitcoin again, and since Bitcoin is most probably going south, LTC will follow it, probably even more aggressive.

Well I sure am happy I pulled my buy orders now!  Cheesy

Btw I saw some people expected a break out to $630, why? Right now there's 7,4k btc standing in the way of reaching 660 and 4,4k from 560. Seems more likely we're going down?
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March 20, 2014, 12:15:38 AM

What's a good entry point to buy LTC? Put buy orders at 17,5 but it's been dropping quite a bit

I wouldn't really buy it yet.. the Huobi hype is over, it will move now with Bitcoin again, and since Bitcoin is most probably going south, LTC will follow it, probably even more aggressive.

Well I sure am happy I pulled my buy orders now!  Cheesy

Most probably good decision, we'll see.
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... or something like that ... it confused me ... it started sounding like bogus to me and I quickly lost interest.

So, ok this is too complicated for you. It doesn't mean the technology behind ripple is not better than bitcoin... Damn , anyone who read what ripple is about and understand how it works ?



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I don't see Neil Patrick Harris there. Is it on a different page?
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March 20, 2014, 12:20:37 AM

So LTC is just a pump and dump coin like every other alt coin as it looks like.

Wasn't the ASIC just released. Ironically that defeats one of the major things that was supposed to differentiate ltc from btc
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March 20, 2014, 12:34:11 AM

It's just a matter of time for Ripple to take over bitcoin.

haha...is this a level?

Poker players in the house...
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March 20, 2014, 12:35:29 AM

So LTC is just a pump and dump coin like every other alt coin as it looks like.

Wasn't the ASIC just released. Ironically that defeats one of the major things that was supposed to differentiate ltc from btc

how is this ironic, asics can be developed this is the stupiest argument I evere read about any crypto saying that ezo,gjprizgjnzrgzeg
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March 20, 2014, 12:50:13 AM

So LTC is just a pump and dump coin like every other alt coin as it looks like.

surprise surprise


a brief perusal of the past 10 or so pages of this very thread should clearly demonstrate the reason behind Litecoin's current price behavior.

that being said, it is downright fallacious to conclude that Bitcoin speculators toying with the Litecoin exchange rate because of stability on the Bitcoin exchanges reduces the whole project to pump&dump status. it's us, silly Tongue
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March 20, 2014, 01:14:22 AM

Haven't had such a low weekly volume since when? June 2011?
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