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February 13, 2015, 10:44:33 PM

XRP functions as a transaction stamp and temporary holding/conversion currency.  It's value is expected to rise as the network grows and becomes more useful.  Ripple's alleged "premine" makes sense when you view XRP like a stock that is gradually issued as the company grows.
 

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Ripple is just an i.o.u. not even a currency or even trustless why would I you it over bitcoin? wtf....
Well XRP IS trustless. Aside from its distribution which works like a stock, XRP transactions are as trustless as the bitcoin ones.
The point I was making is: if people can use any fiat currency or asset on the ripple network, XRP could become less relevant and doesn't need to have a high marketcap, even if is the only one that doesn't require trust or if it's supposed to work as a bridge currency.

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February 13, 2015, 10:54:27 PM

Well China bout to wake up.  Who wants to speculate on what they do


Another bunch of shorts just closed and longs are up another 200k in past 2 hours..
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February 13, 2015, 11:04:52 PM

Well China bout to wake up.  Who wants to speculate on what they do


Another bunch of shorts just closed and longs are up another 200k in past 2 hours..

I'd like to think that since we've had a mini-pump today that China will go with that. We've seen a China dump every night for ages now: is it going to be like that forever?

I'm cautiously optimistic that they'll change their tune.
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china is a seller market, get used to it.
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February 13, 2015, 11:06:18 PM

Well China bout to wake up.  Who wants to speculate on what they do


Another bunch of shorts just closed and longs are up another 200k in past 2 hours..

I don't think it will affect the price much. After all, everyone wants price to increase.

They need to stop dumping for once.
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February 13, 2015, 11:17:00 PM

china is a seller market, get used to it.

There going to be dumping there own coins then cause there isn't a whole lot to borrow
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February 13, 2015, 11:40:06 PM

sometimes I can write like '480 usd in btc' in google and get the value like with any currency, and sometimes I can't, it's so strange  Huh
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February 13, 2015, 11:45:56 PM

sometimes I can write like '480 usd in btc' in google and get the value like with any currency, and sometimes I can't, it's so strange  Huh


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February 13, 2015, 11:53:16 PM

china is a seller market, get used to it.

There going to be dumping there own coins then cause there isn't a whole lot to borrow


china is number 1 world producer of coins - I see no problem.
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February 13, 2015, 11:56:08 PM

china is a seller market, get used to it.

There going to be dumping there own coins then cause there isn't a whole lot to borrow


china is number 1 world producer of coins - I see no problem.

May as well get used to sharing with our eastern cousins.

It is not like we have a choice in the matter.

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February 14, 2015, 12:07:39 AM

Well China bout to wake up.  Who wants to speculate on what they do


Another bunch of shorts just closed and longs are up another 200k in past 2 hours..

small jump  or ccmf
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February 14, 2015, 12:09:30 AM

china is a seller market, get used to it.

There going to be dumping there own coins then cause there isn't a whole lot to borrow


china is number 1 world producer of coins - I see no problem.

May as well get used to sharing with our eastern cousins.

It is not like we have a choice in the matter.



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February 14, 2015, 12:18:21 AM

Well China bout to wake up.  Who wants to speculate on what they do


Another bunch of shorts just closed and longs are up another 200k in past 2 hours..

small jump  or ccmf

make that CCMF
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February 14, 2015, 12:29:33 AM


 I'm not 100% convinced on XRP as an investment long term tho.


The distinction I'd make with this point (even though I agree with what you're saying) is thus:

Most of us want to see great returns from Bitcoin and we therefore see it as an investment. But even if Ripple were to gain you a return and was therefore a "good investment" would it trouble you that you'd used a protocol that has establishment links and is possibly a threat to the decentralised, free spirit of crypto?

I don't necessarily want to come across as a crypto-anarchist, but I'd rather support a genuine alternative to the economic system that's failing us.
For all we know the "decentralize everything" approach of bitcoin might be an utopia that doesn't work long term or that creates more problems than it tries to solve.
For example the fact that it is supposed to be 100% decentralised (even tho it's not actually the case considering mining centralisation for example) raises issues related to consumer protection (that's a big one), money laundering, frauds, scams etc.

An utopia much like anarchy, it either doesn't work in practice or nobody actually adopts it and still prefer governments, the state etc  Grin

So basically you try to solve some problems but the 100% decentralised solution might bring new ones or offer us something that in the long run is a lot worse.
I understand you talk about the "spirit of crypto" but that spirit might be a lot more corrupt that the fiat system you are talking about.
"Trusted third parties" are not out there just to screw ya. t's not that simple.


Let me reflect on this, for that there are a massive amount of factually wrong observations.

First, mining is decentralized! https://blockchain.info/pools just because it is not a commie "equal share to all proletariate" the hashing power is in fact distributed (every pool mine has thousands of individual, group, corporate etc miners!), changing hands over time, can be freely entered or left (!).
Any centralized system will eventually show the symptoms of a single point of failure, arbitrary change of rules, also can NOT be entered by an outsider (citizens can not participate). That is the main difference, not the number of monopoly/oligopolic group(s); the ability to freely move in and out of the system. It is a qualitatively different way of decision making.

There is no such thing as money laundering. It is either my money, or yours, or i took it by force from you. So it is either mine by virtue (law, etc), or i stole it. Money laundering is an euphemism by the state for his "due share", that he wants you to accept the fact that he has the right to take it from you by force (steal it) - by the way,
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/nov/17/hsbc-swiss-arm-fraud-money-laundering-charges-belgium - proves my point perfectly.

Consumer protection never protected anyone retro casually. It can not, they can only act AFTER the consumer was frauded, scammed, and threaten the fraud with jail. As long as time travel is not a option...

Also, "it either doesn't work in practice or nobody actually adopts it" is factually wrong. We have already adopted it and it does work for millions of people around the globe, it is weird to even say it on a bitcoin forum.

""Trusted third parties" are not out there just to screw ya." - Yes, in theory they are not there for that, they just do it in the practice, every. single. time in the last 5000 years. Power corrupts (the lack of incentives to play fair - which state power gives a human actor in reality - will eventually).

PS.: the whole natural life and its evolution from a single cell organism to a complex ecosystem on Earth works in a decentralized manner, "no trusted third parties", and it survived pretty much anything thrown at it. And we can agree that life on Earth is way more complex than the economy of Belgium...
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February 14, 2015, 12:38:41 AM

XRP functions as a transaction stamp and temporary holding/conversion currency.  It's value is expected to rise as the network grows and becomes more useful.  Ripple's alleged "premine" makes sense when you view XRP like a stock that is gradually issued as the company grows.
 

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, JOIN RIPPLE OR BE ASSIMILATED! 


Look at this newbie telling the hero member - GTFO and suck your thumb in a corner.

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February 14, 2015, 12:40:41 AM

lol ripple trolls everywhere
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February 14, 2015, 12:47:14 AM

lol ripple trolls everywhere
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