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October 28, 2015, 03:57:47 PM

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The question is how long will the Chinese authorities take to deal with these ponzis ...

Will probably follow Russia by letting bitcoiners cool their heels in jail for 4 years Smiley

bitcoiners in cold storage seem even safer than bitcoins in cold storage. both together seem like an investment plan.

Cold or hot storage irrelevant with gentle persuasion.
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October 28, 2015, 04:00:34 PM

Let's break 318 now.  Cheesy


Yep.... .. That's going to be an interesting number.

I personally believe that $318 will come with some ease... yet, I do recognize it as a kind of psychological barrier... and will allow some claims that we have reached all-time highs for 2015.  That will NOT bring us completely out of the woods because we do have some ways to go, but at least it will be a good sign in terms of 2015.

Then getting above $500 for 2015 does seem reasonably within reach - even though it could take bit longer to get to $500........  Undecided
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October 28, 2015, 04:01:30 PM

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October 28, 2015, 04:04:49 PM

Market took a dump, it's ready to start eating again
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October 28, 2015, 04:06:21 PM

Market took a dump, it's ready to start eating again

i never thought we will rise this fast, 306... weew  i think we will see 312 soon  Cheesy
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October 28, 2015, 04:08:27 PM

BUY THE DIP!
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October 28, 2015, 04:09:02 PM

Oh shit! Bears are putting the hammer down on the market right now... Fucking Tarmi style! lol
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October 28, 2015, 04:09:42 PM

Oh shit! Bears are putting the hammer down on the market right now... Fucking Tarmi style! lol

cue posting of polar bear - raised it up to here - dropped it down to there picture.
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October 28, 2015, 04:11:54 PM

This is it gents.
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October 28, 2015, 04:13:23 PM

down!
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October 28, 2015, 04:14:15 PM


Auch!!
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October 28, 2015, 04:14:33 PM

Bear trap?
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October 28, 2015, 04:14:45 PM


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October 28, 2015, 04:14:50 PM

Oh shit! Bears are putting the hammer down on the market right now... Fucking Tarmi style! lol

sorry everyone...

i think i jinxed it  Undecided
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October 28, 2015, 04:15:13 PM

noobs panic selling lol
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October 28, 2015, 04:15:26 PM

Jesus, until we break 285 this is nothing
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October 28, 2015, 04:16:01 PM


310-320 = resistance

I would be ok with that. Important is not to drop significantly.

i like that we are not in panicbuying-mode yet. slow and steady looks good so far.

if there is no panic buying, then why am I getting 0.09% DAILY interest on my fiat at BFX?



Let's see.. Last 24 Change: +3.08%

That's more than 0.09% interest. Better keep your holdings in BTC.  Wink

Early adopters like me keep the vast majority of our coins in cold storage. It's only my trading stash that's in fiat. 


It's good to hedge your bets; however, it remains true that even though you are getting a decent return on your fiat, it would have been better to have been in BTC.


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October 28, 2015, 04:16:50 PM

Jesus, until we break 285 this is nothing
Patience, my boy!
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October 28, 2015, 04:19:31 PM

^You snooze, you lose Smiley
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October 28, 2015, 04:24:46 PM

I'm gonna repeat the question: why then is the buying pressure not 24/7 and only on China day time?

Where are you seeing that? At Bitfinex (Hong Kong)? At the Chinese echanges?

Apparently Mavrodi's ponzi (and Chinese copycats) are most popular in China.  (Recall the MyCoin ponzi in HK, earlier this year? There seems to be a rich "market" for such things there.)  Chinese victims are of course going to buy their bitcoins on Chinese exchanges, during Chinese day/evening time.

MMM doesn't need Bitcoin to steal money - Mavrodi has been playing this game for 25 years. He' currently active in China, India and South Africa at a minimum, but the website claims Thailand, Hong Kong, Philipines, Indonesia and East Africa as well.  He's using bitcoin to transfer the money around the system - When the system cashes out we will see significant selling pressure.

Of course this is not the first MMM mega-ponzi, but this time seems to be different because he is using bitcoin to make victims all over the world, without himself being established in any country.  This ponzi promises to be bigger, longer lived, and much more difficult to stop than the previous fiat-based ones.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I am assuming that the payouts too are in bitcoin (or in Mavros); and the victims are likely to keep or re-invest their payouts in the ponzi.  So I don't expect to see a "cash-out" any time soon.  There may be a big bitcoin sale after the ponzi collapses, if and when Mavrodi and his asssociates decide to cash out.

The question is how long will the Chinese authorities take to deal with these ponzis, and how hard will this impact bitcoin.
The most radical move would be to shut down all mainland Chinese exchanges and make bitcoin (wallet) possession a crime, then we could see single digits.

That is a possibilty, but only if the thing gets really big.  In the nov/2013 rally, the Chinese traders imported perhaps a billion USD worth of bitcoins, which would have meant putting that much CNY in foreign hands -- all without government knowledge, licenses, custom taxes, etc.  In retrospect, the dec/2013 decree was a natural reaction to that huge "contraband" activity.  

Mavrodi's ponzi may bring back that scenario.  However there are some differences: this time there are tons of bitcoins in the hands of Chinese citizens, so the cross-border flow of CNY may be smaller, since the Chinese victims will mostly buy their coins from Chinese holders.  Or may even be positive for China, if foreigners buy coins from the Chinese.
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