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[r0ach]

Dash is fungible and private and absolutely not a scam nor has it ever been.  Please do your own research before blindly regurgitating monero rhetoric.

Both parties are wrong.  It's not possible for any cryptocurrency to be fungible:

CT and schnorr sigs will make btc fungible.

Cryptocurrency is NOT fungible.  You're trying to make believe that if coins can be tumbled it's somehow fungible but there is more to it than that.  If anything about the protocol at all can be altered via a strongman or banana republic voting to take over it's exposed power vacuum it's not fungible.  Anonymint even agreed on this at one point in time but he has probably cucked out and did a 180 now that he wants to release a cryptocurrency of his own.

Money = has objective, static traits

Currency = random arbitrary bullshit some guy makes up and constantly fiddles with like fiat or bitcoin. If it's possible for your money to "hard fork", or randomly morph from one thing to another, it's not fungible, and hence not money. In that circumstance you are involved in some type of scheme with a schemer ruling over you.

It doesn't matter if said forks are orchestrated by a banana republic of miners in a voting process. There is no Nash equilibrium in cryptocurrency, only a power vacuum to be filled by a top down hierarchy or strongman. To escape this master and servant hierarchy you have to use real money that cannot be altered or tampered with by third parties.

[JayJuanGee]

Update2: At the moment, work is underway to restore the service. Approximate terms from 5 to 10 days. Thank you for understanding #btce


They think users are stupid or something???

They ignore us, why dont just say everything have been quarantined by FBI!

"WE SHOULD HAVE AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT READY SOON-ISH" ^tm


 

FTFY by adding a cute little symbol

[jbreher]

Update2: At the moment, work is underway to restore the service. Approximate terms from 5 to 10 days. Thank you for understanding #btce


They think users are stupid or something???

They ignore us, why dont just say everything have been quarantined by FBI!

"WE SHOULD HAVE AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT READY SOON-ISH"

In two weeks^[TM]

[bitserve]

Apparently the name of the guy who was arrested is Alexander. Same name as one of the admins of BTC-E.

My guess is the other founder got wind of it and took the cold storage and started mixing it right away. 66,000 BTC at least.

Additional hints:

Also BTC-e was founded in 2011, while bitmixer in 2014
The guy behind bitmixer doesn't looks like russian from his posts
Most of the Bitcoin ramsons were exchanged on BTC-e
And they havent even twitted anything new since yesterday, not even to counter the rumours
...

I think it is already nearing certainty that it is BTC-e.

Why does every one rule out the option that bitmixer and btc-e was ran by the dame guy?

He isn't the same guy. Just compare the english skills and style between the two:

1) Bitmixer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=216447;sa=showPosts
Very good english, verbose, etc...

2) WME (Aleksander): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=43575;sa=showPosts
Very poor and basic english. Short and straight to the point.

You can try to "fake" many things in the writing to difficult the analysis, but in this case it is absolutely obvious they are two different individuals.

You can also compare hourly patterns of posting and notice the obvious differences:

Bitmixer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=216447;sa=statPanel

WME: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=43575;sa=statPanel

Again, not the same guy.

[Torque]

I am not sure whether I should feel bad for you...    or to roll my eyes at your seeming stubborn persistencies?  
 

 

Yeah, fuck, I am sorry Torque that you shorted or sold or something in the $2400 territories, but it seems that you will be very lucky if you are able to get back in anywhere below $2600 - and that might be a considerable stretch absent some very convincing FUD - because ordinary FUD is not likely to damper the current ongoing upwards BTC price pressures.
In other words, sorry for your loss.    

[JayJuanGee]

Right so what the hell is going on? We had segwit lock in euphoria and it increased and then dropped again, now a shut down of btc-e, I have no clue what the fuck is happening August 1st anymore.


What's going to happen over the next couple of months price wise?

I know it's going to be very volatile but I am pretty confused about what's actually taking place and when.

I think my brain has been scrambled over the past 2 weeks of so.

Good for you, if you brain has been scrambled for ONLY 2 weeks.. You are one of the lucky ones.


Regarding the answers to your questions.. .your guess is as good as mine.

After the locking in of BIP91, I would have put the materializing of a threat of a hardfork (within a month) at less than 15% - however, recent specific and adamant reiterations of such threats including specifically asserting that they are sticking with a hardfork date of August 1 have likely increased the possibility of such to possibly 30% or greater.

They seem like real goofballs, nutjobs and disingenuous to be pulling off such a hardfork, and we cannot really discount such possibility because they are going to lose some timing and following if they wait until after the activation of segwit... so seems like they are considering striking while the iron is hot... may not be good for bitcoin, but might be good and profitable for them.

[El duderino_]

Bet CLOSED! Let the game begins...
Thank you all for supporting this game and I wish you all good luck. Let's make contact when ATH touched.
Final list:
20/07 Siggy   
21/07 Mr Frog 
22/07 Protokol 
23/07 Bitcoinaire 
24/07 Lost_in_base 
25/07 rjclarke2000 
26/07 Globbo 
27/07 Poolminor
28/07 TeeBone
29/07 Ted E. Bear
30/07 bathy
31/07 Infofront
01/08 Vin
02/08 Steelboy
03/08 D_eddie
04/08 Bitserve
05/08 Bikerleszno
06/08 Last of the v8s
07/08 Pajulapoiss
08/08 Imbatman
09/08 Mikenz
10/08 Machasm
11/08 Aesma
12/08 doc12
13/08 Fluidjax
14/08 ShroomsKit_Disgrace
15/08 Fragout ---- slow death
16/08 Orpington
17/08 sirazimuth
18/08 Ivomm
19/08 Elwar
20/08 Oblox
21/08 Haciendo
22/08 Boba
23/08 ErisDiscordia
24/08 Ludwig Von
25/08 Hazukison
26/08 SportbetMaster
27/08 Nanobtc
28/08 Vamos1
29/08 Paashaas
30/08 RayX12
31/08 BinaryReign
02/09 Patrisorvieto
05/09 Entons
06/09 Oinas
09/09 Edgar
11/09 Buwaytress
15/09 MinermanNC
17/09 Spaceman_spiff
21/09 undeadbitcoiner
01/10 K.Ehleyr
02/10 Petemoss2
04/10 Herman Hesse
13/10 Cryptoqueen
05/11 Chainsaw
21/11 Icygreen
12/12 Kurious
23/12 Fractaluniverse
14/01/2018 In the silence
05/02/2018 savetherainforest

[bitserve]

Not enough drama.

I am thinking about pushing a Segwit patch to Bitcoin Cash github. Any chance it would be approved on time before 1 Aug?

[jbreher]

I am thinking about pushing a Segwit patch to Bitcoin Cash github. Any chance it would be approved on time before 1 Aug?

You can try. I'm guessing you'll be met with an overwhelming chorus of NAKs.

[yermom]

Dash is fungible and private and absolutely not a scam nor has it ever been.  Please do your own research before blindly regurgitating monero rhetoric.

Both parties are wrong.  It's not possible for any cryptocurrency to be fungible:

CT and schnorr sigs will make btc fungible.

Cryptocurrency is NOT fungible.  You're trying to make believe that if coins can be tumbled it's somehow fungible but there is more to it than that.  If anything about the protocol at all can be altered via a strongman or banana republic voting to take over it's exposed power vacuum it's not fungible.  Anonymint even agreed on this at one point in time but he has probably cucked out and did a 180 now that he wants to release a cryptocurrency of his own.

Money = has objective, static traits

Currency = random arbitrary bullshit some guy makes up and constantly fiddles with like fiat or bitcoin. If it's possible for your money to "hard fork", or randomly morph from one thing to another, it's not fungible, and hence not money. In that circumstance you are involved in some type of scheme with a schemer ruling over you.

It doesn't matter if said forks are orchestrated by a banana republic of miners in a voting process. There is no Nash equilibrium in cryptocurrency, only a power vacuum to be filled by a top down hierarchy or strongman. To escape this master and servant hierarchy you have to use real money that cannot be altered or tampered with by third parties.

Maybe, and just MAYBE fungibility is a concept that has changed, like everything in life. But who am I

[bitserve]

I am thinking about pushing a Segwit patch to Bitcoin Cash github. Any chance it would be approved on time before 1 Aug?

You can try. I'm guessing you'll be met with an overwhelming chorus of NAKs.

Damn Bitcoin Cash Core ! They want to control everything! They are stopping real scalability for their own benefit!

[savetherainforest]

Update2: At the moment, work is underway to restore the service. Approximate terms from 5 to 10 days. Thank you for understanding #btce


They think users are stupid or something???

They ignore us, why dont just say everything have been quarantined by FBI!

"WE SHOULD HAVE AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT READY SOON-ISH"

In two weeks^[TM]

I have my laughing material for days every time I check those tweets to see their "status".    

[Elwar]

This.

[Raja_MBZ]

If, in any case, bitcoin skyrockets on 1st August, I'm predicting some big robberies/scams/hacks at Polo/Yo/etc.

So make sure you've your bitcoin in your OWN personal paper wallet!

[Elwar]

While we are all worried about BTC-e, what about all of those other hosted services that are going to be offline in Russia for 5 to 10 days due to unscheduled maintenance? What about all of those guys...and how this will affect a major hosting service?

Always thinking of yourselves.

Shame!

[Meuh6879]

[sirazimuth]

If, in any case, bitcoin skyrockets on 1st August, I'm predicting some big robberies/scams/hacks at Polo/Yo/etc.

So make sure you've your bitcoin in your OWN personal paper wallet!

wow... someone actually mentioned yo*** in this thread.... that's like really sad (forgive me for quoting)

[sirazimuth]

Bet CLOSED! Let the game begins...
Thank you all for supporting this game and I wish you all good luck. Let's make contact when ATH touched.
Final list:
20/07 Siggy   
21/07 Mr Frog 
22/07 Protokol 
23/07 Bitcoinaire 
24/07 Lost_in_base 
25/07 rjclarke2000 
26/07 Globbo 
27/07 Poolminor
28/07 TeeBone
29/07 Ted E. Bear
30/07 bathy
31/07 Infofront
01/08 Vin
02/08 Steelboy
03/08 D_eddie
04/08 Bitserve
05/08 Bikerleszno
06/08 Last of the v8s
07/08 Pajulapoiss
08/08 Imbatman
09/08 Mikenz
10/08 Machasm
11/08 Aesma
12/08 doc12
13/08 Fluidjax
14/08 ShroomsKit_Disgrace
15/08 Fragout ---- slow death
16/08 Orpington
17/08 sirazimuth
18/08 Ivomm
19/08 Elwar
20/08 Oblox
21/08 Haciendo
22/08 Boba
23/08 ErisDiscordia
24/08 Ludwig Von
25/08 Hazukison
26/08 SportbetMaster
27/08 Nanobtc
28/08 Vamos1
29/08 Paashaas
30/08 RayX12
31/08 BinaryReign
02/09 Patrisorvieto
05/09 Entons
06/09 Oinas
09/09 Edgar
11/09 Buwaytress
15/09 MinermanNC
17/09 Spaceman_spiff
21/09 undeadbitcoiner
01/10 K.Ehleyr
02/10 Petemoss2
04/10 Herman Hesse
13/10 Cryptoqueen
05/11 Chainsaw
21/11 Icygreen
12/12 Kurious
23/12 Fractaluniverse
14/01/2018 In the silence
05/02/2018 savetherainforest

hey dude... can i just like grab the whole month of october for like ,oh idk,  maybe 10,000 sat? 

[bitserve]

$110 Million: BTC-e Fined as US Vows Crackdown on Unregulated Exchanges:

https://www.coindesk.com/110-million-btc-e-fined-us-vows-crackdown-unregulated-exchanges/

^^ SEALED COURT ORDER ^^

[r0ach]

Dash is fungible and private and absolutely not a scam nor has it ever been.  Please do your own research before blindly regurgitating monero rhetoric.

Both parties are wrong.  It's not possible for any cryptocurrency to be fungible:

CT and schnorr sigs will make btc fungible.

Cryptocurrency is NOT fungible.  You're trying to make believe that if coins can be tumbled it's somehow fungible but there is more to it than that.  If anything about the protocol at all can be altered via a strongman or banana republic voting to take over it's exposed power vacuum it's not fungible.  Anonymint even agreed on this at one point in time but he has probably cucked out and did a 180 now that he wants to release a cryptocurrency of his own.

Money = has objective, static traits

Currency = random arbitrary bullshit some guy makes up and constantly fiddles with like fiat or bitcoin. If it's possible for your money to "hard fork", or randomly morph from one thing to another, it's not fungible, and hence not money. In that circumstance you are involved in some type of scheme with a schemer ruling over you.

It doesn't matter if said forks are orchestrated by a banana republic of miners in a voting process. There is no Nash equilibrium in cryptocurrency, only a power vacuum to be filled by a top down hierarchy or strongman. To escape this master and servant hierarchy you have to use real money that cannot be altered or tampered with by third parties.

Maybe, and just MAYBE fungibility is a concept that has changed, like everything in life. But who am I

Negative.