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July 20, 2017, 04:37:32 PM

Miners wanted to make it look as if Segwit may not get locked in this period as to accumulate some remaining cheap coins then come back last minute and save the day. This way they are able to obtain cheap coins as well as garner the trust of the community when we face further impasses such as the 2mb HF.

Well done.

So now you're applauding that bitcoin is completely centralized under a mining cartel who rigs the market for their own pump and dump profits?  Anyone who doesn't support changing the PoW after watching them do the exact same segwit BIP manipulation in LTC AND Bitcoin is a complete fool.  Without commodity hardware mining via something like a GPU, there is no reason for bitcoin to exist.
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July 20, 2017, 04:41:40 PM

I don't expect the price to recover so quickly, but those are the breaks.

Not when the financial news section about bitcoin currently reads:

This grotesque bubble is blowing apart right now

Once R0ach started to up his troll game I knew I was probably going to be wrong. But ye gods, I still don't get it. Impending chain-split shouldn't equal moontrain according to any maths I ever heard of.
Well you were right about the maths, but you were wrong about expecting investors to be right about the maths

I be all like

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July 20, 2017, 04:43:55 PM

Just remember kids, never in Bitcoin's history has there been a double top where the second top went higher than the first.

Because if it went higher, it wouldn't be a double top?  Undecided Huh

So what, you think that after 5 weeks of constant down and this dip to 1830 was the "first selloff" of a much larger, protracted bull run? And that $100B is just sitting on the sidelines waiting for SegWit2X approval so they can come pouring in and run this thing up to $5000+ by EOY?

Really? That would be a nice dream. That's exactly what people thought in 2013 too, after the first crash and bounce back up to ~$980.

I don't really care... I'm hedged with a huge future stash, as well as a good amount of fiat to buy more at the very bottom, so I win either way it goes.

But I'll go on record right now saying that I think $2980 was this year's top. And that by Feb. 2018, I think we'll see around the ~$1600 mark.

Quoted for posterity. I really hope you are really, really wrong. I guess you too.
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July 20, 2017, 04:45:33 PM

Miners wanted to make it look as if Segwit may not get locked in this period as to accumulate some remaining cheap coins then come back last minute and save the day. This way they are able to obtain cheap coins as well as garner the trust of the community when we face further impasses such as the 2mb HF.

Well done.

So now you're applauding that bitcoin is completely centralized under a mining cartel who rigs the market for their own pump and dump profits?  Anyone who doesn't support changing the PoW after watching them do the exact same segwit BIP manipulation in LTC AND Bitcoin is a complete fool.  Without commodity hardware mining via something like a GPU, there is no reason for bitcoin to exist.

r0ach, if you are so confussed about centralised maniputated markets... what are you still doing in gold/silver one?

It doesn't seem coherent to me.
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July 20, 2017, 04:46:35 PM

Quoted for posterity. I really hope your are really, really wrong.

Well obviously I'm hoping I'm wrong too. My net worth increases significantly if Bitcoin goes to the moon.

But I'm skeptical. History has a way of repeating. Over and over again.
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July 20, 2017, 04:47:54 PM

What do you say about BU? There will be no BU.

There already is BU. But BU is just a client.

There will be BitcoinCash. A larger, stronger, more capable derivative of Bitcoin, generated via hard fork. The primary client for BitcoinCash is BitcoinABC. Or BU - take your pick. Or Classic, XT, ...

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ooh another altcoin

While strictly true (assuming minority support, which seems likely), I think this will be the first altcoin launched where every Bitcoin holder will on day zero have an equal number of the altcoins.

If in the future BitcoinCash becomes the majority fork (a not unlikely prospect, given the massive transaction capacity advantage), then positions will flip, BitcoinCash will become simply Bitcoin, and cripplecoin will become the alt.

Any way you look at it now, we are all likely to learn something from this.
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July 20, 2017, 04:51:30 PM

Just remember kids, never in Bitcoin's history has there been a double top where the second top went higher than the first.

Because if it went higher, it wouldn't be a double top?  Undecided Huh

So what, you think that after 5 weeks of constant down and this dip to 1830 was the "first selloff" of a much larger, protracted bull run? And that $100B is just sitting on the sidelines waiting for SegWit2X approval so they can come pouring in and run this thing up to $5000+ by EOY?

Really? That would be a nice dream. That's exactly what people thought in 2013 too, after the first crash and bounce back up to ~$980.

I don't really care... I'm hedged with a huge future stash, as well as a good amount of fiat to buy more at the very bottom, so I win either way it goes.

But I'll go on record right now saying that I think $2980 was this year's top. And that by Feb. 2018, I think we'll see around the ~$1600 mark.

No, 2980 having been the top is definitively a scenario that I am taking into account.  

I just thought the terminology was phrased weirdly.  It just seems to me that a double top where the second top goes higher than the first is a contradiction in itself (I can be pedantic at times  Smiley ).
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July 20, 2017, 04:52:47 PM

Ok, you got nearly 20 % price increase today [insane with such market cap], ...and now, lets move to the dump part  Grin

My date for new ATH is still Dec 23rd, (i won't blink Smiley )
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July 20, 2017, 04:54:23 PM

What do you say about BU? There will be no BU.

There already is BU. But BU is just a client.

There will be BitcoinCash. A larger, stronger, more capable derivative of Bitcoin, generated via hard fork. The primary client for BitcoinCash is BitcoinABC. Or BU - take your pick. Or Classic, XT, ...

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ooh another altcoin

While strictly true (assuming minority support, which seems likely), I think this will be the first altcoin launched where every Bitcoin holder will on day zero have an equal number of the altcoins.

If in the future BitcoinCash becomes the majority fork (a not unlikely prospect, given the massive transaction capacity advantage), then positions will flip, BitcoinCash will become simply Bitcoin, and cripplecoin will become the alt.

Any way you look at it now, we are all likely to learn something from this.

maybe huntercoin? can't remember

becomes the majority fork? what does that mean? lots of Chinese coffee purchases make it more valuable than bitcoin?

yay to learning, true that.
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July 20, 2017, 04:54:46 PM

Now we can be almost sure BIP91 will hit Wink

Right now F2Pool joined and mined first block with BIP91 - yeah !!!!

60 blocks before current lock-in period ends. Still 44 blocks needed for a lock-in.
There are 81.5% BIP91 blocks mined in the current period.
More importantly is the support it would have to drop by in order to still pass. At this point I think my math is 40/56 blocks=.71428. So if 72% of the remaining blocks mine true it will pass (luck willing of course, smuckpool could somehow mine all the remaining blocks no)
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July 20, 2017, 04:58:50 PM

Quoted for posterity. I really hope your are really, really wrong.

Well obviously I'm hoping I'm wrong too. My net worth increases significantly if Bitcoin goes to the moon.

But I'm skeptical. History has a way of repeating. Over and over again.

Yeah. but if we think history will repeat why not having another big bubble from september to december as in 2013? And then dump to 3 or 4 thousand?

Not that I am betting on it, but I think this Segwit on Bitcoin is way more important than it appears on first instance. Of course we will have dumps on the road but.. from which height? I dont know.
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July 20, 2017, 05:01:17 PM

becomes the majority fork? what does that mean?

Means that a majority of users and miners gravitate to BitcoinCash.

I realize that this is speculative, but I consider it a not-unlikely possibility. What with the massive difference in transaction capacity -- and thereby in utility -- between the chains.
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July 20, 2017, 05:03:34 PM

The only major miner not signalling BIP91 is Bitcoin.com, and thats only 2.1%, with a favourable wind, 39 blocks looks like 6.5 hours to go.
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July 20, 2017, 05:07:37 PM

With 86.8% now and F2pool on board since a little while, only one big trolling by some big pool would avoid lock-in in a few hours.

P.S.: Segwit2x (intention) is now at 97.9%. With that majority I don't really care if they do a hard fork to 2MB. In fact I am in favor of it. JUst don't ever mention the aberration of BU next to me.
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July 20, 2017, 05:09:36 PM

only 15 to 25 have made there  guess on when we brake another ATH             ATH  ATH   ATH   GAME   !!!!

and get paid by me for the one guesses most closly ( 0.25BTC ) as another ( 0.25 BTC) for giving the best explanation why the raise at that time

anybody more wants to take a guess feel free to take a date

( for the ones that don't trust me to pay still just waiting for a trusty member to react on this and be confirmt by 2 other trusted members and i deposit the amount with them ......)

ONLY GOOD INTENTIONS

 Wink Wink Wink Wink

I said 4 Agust 2017. Are you taking note of all bets? Take into account that anyone can edit their messages afterwards. Also, it shouldn't be allowed anyone to say a day that has already been taken by another participant.

P.S. And you haven't specified what exchange price will be used to declare a winner. Maybe Bitstamp?




Historically, Bitstamp tends to be the most common reference in this thread... even though on a few occasions, it came close to losing its bellweather status...  Embarrassed

Good now you quoted me, it is clear I bet at 4 July August and I can't edit it. Thanks!

Yep, I guess we could assume Bitstamp but it is micgoosens who should confirm that.


its first time i do this but i just think the one closest i contact him i just note all the pages starting from 17252 so have everybody ...
than just think the closest one to respont i ask him a BTC addres and just send the amount of my ledger to there is not dollars just 0.25 from when ATH broken send the same day to a ADRESS

and from now i look and can't be 2 same dates for the same day ...... till here not happen't ( guessing the guy with 27july seems to be runnin good to) and he also give an explaination for another 0.25 BTC remember just a little technical analyse for why youre choosen DATE is another 0.25 BTC
Who did bet on July 27?
Feeling still lycky with my 24.

!!!! I was wrong 27th not taking i meant you with youre 24th 😁 Feeling lucky with you would-be be sick Nice call
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July 20, 2017, 05:11:31 PM

26th July       Grin Kiss



Are new bets still accepted?
It gets easier when closing ATH.


Yes noted ☺️
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July 20, 2017, 05:12:44 PM

only 15 to 25 have made there  guess on when we brake another ATH             ATH  ATH   ATH   GAME   !!!!

and get paid by me for the one guesses most closly ( 0.25BTC ) as another ( 0.25 BTC) for giving the best explanation why the raise at that time

anybody more wants to take a guess feel free to take a date

( for the ones that don't trust me to pay still just waiting for a trusty member to react on this and be confirmt by 2 other trusted members and i deposit the amount with them ......)

ONLY GOOD INTENTIONS

 Wink Wink Wink Wink

I think the price will get close to the price of $2789 on Bitstamp (on July 6th) within 24 hours from now, and then there will be a correction, probably bringing the price down to the region of $2400. After the weak hands have sold, I speculate the price will shoot upwards again once more, and will hit an ATH around 24 hours after that.

I call ATH on 22nd of July, at 16.32 GMT.

22th july noted 👍🏻
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July 20, 2017, 05:14:52 PM

To keep our hobby bet more clear please repost your bet.
Quote only the date and name.


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Yes Very Good idea everybody Just got he's full date off 24 hours time zone of BELGIUM
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July 20, 2017, 05:15:04 PM

Not that I am betting on it, but I think this Segwit on Bitcoin is way more important than it appears on first instance.

Most people don't realize that if SegWit had gotten approved a few years ago, it would have essentially been a non-event and the market would have responded with a whimper.

The only reason that anyone places any significance to it now, is because the miners made it a point of contention to hold back upgrades. They made a mountain out of a molehill. That is really all. And the mega whales are playing it for all its worth (not really that much).
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July 20, 2017, 05:15:16 PM

I was away for a bit, thus was out of the loop. I was very surprised when my phone was vibrating today, several times (my settings aren't too sensitive though). Unless something goes really wrong, BIP91 is locking in this period. This means that there will be no chain split on August the 1st whatsoever (no BIP148, "UAHF", etc.). Segwit is to activate near the end of August. Anyone want to place some bets on the price then?

By coincidence (?), today is Moon Day. It is time for this gif again:

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