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[marcus_of_augustus]

Nice Article on BTC by Seeking Alpha:

Why Bitcoin Is The Investment Of The Decade
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4104272-bitcoin-investment-decade

Argues for a mid 2018 value of $6000

Another fine example of a prediction pulled right from an asshole. It hit $5000 just a few days ago and these guys are talking about an increase of $1000 in one year lol

Still, the linked article was orders of magnitude better than that "three faces" tripe on ZeroHedge this morning.  That author betrayed a fundamental lack of understanding of the technology.  This guy may be conservative in his target but at least he has done his homework.

Zerohedge is a lost cause, at one point there were some smart guys there ... I was on there trying to explain bitcoin in 2012 ... you can only imagine how that went.

Best comment from a bitcoin thread there:

first guy complains about too many bitcoin stories ...

If you guys stopped clicking on them, they would probably stop posting them.

But then, if dinosaurs had the internet, they probably couldn't help clicking on the asteroid threads either.

that sums up ZH now ... dinosaurs clicking on asteroid threads.

[marcus_of_augustus]

https://aeon.co/essays/the-end-of-a-world-of-nation-states-may-be-upon-us

pantsuit media floats city-states

city-states entirely self-funded by their own floats of a bitcoin sidechain crypto-currency?

[deepcolderwallet]

Oh?  Is that right?    So if there is a pattern of a poster (whether newbie or not) putting out random posts to attempt to inspire panic selling or talking their books, we should just tolerate that kind of ongoing nonsense and seeming trolling?

Sure, there are not enough hours in the day to call out all of the book talkers, but some of these folks, such as jojo69 - puts out these nonsubstantive posts that attempt to get folks to panic by suggesting that the price is inevitably going down or suggesting that hodlers should sell after the price had already substantially corrected - which nearly a sure-fired means of causing some folks to panic sell and possibly at the bottom or near the bottom.

You know Jay, I have really tried to avoid getting into conflict with you as I think your heart is in the right place and I feel that we largely agree on the big picture.

But I am not going to sit here and passively allow you to smear me as a book talker.  Bitcoin is one of the most volatile markets there is.  It has rewarded me greatly, and burned me painfully.  Pointing out the, very real, possibility of a serious retractment is not an attempt on my part to inspire panic, indeed quite the opposite.  Were we to plunge into the 2xxx range an hour hence I would be untroubled, serene in my hodling.

This is what I attempt to teach.  Bitcoins journey is turbulent indeed.  I have learned from bitter experience to take its violent storms with equanimity.

Your repetitive walls of text and name calling I can tolerate, impugn my motives and find yourself on my ignore list.

Man, I've to fully agree on jojo69!
It's boring and tiring to read wordy's walls of useless text, I've already asked him at least a "tl;dr" but to ignore EVERYTHING wordy writes has been the solution, once I struggle to not putting anybody on ignore list...
Wordy, I don't know your reasons, but most part of the time you're a annoying sucker!

Let's not forget the day wordy received what he deserves:

Wot?

Adam is fired??

Firing seems a bit much.

On the other hand, some of his posts (maybe up to 10% of them or so) were getting a bit crazy in terms of spreading fucd in relation to achieving Bitcoin consensus.

Who's gonna make the weekly polls, now?

Maybe the rumor is not true?

Buddy, You have to know that you're stupid, right? I mean you sort of recognize those patient tolerant looks you get from people you know to be smart. Deep down you know you just don't have the cognitive horsepower. You try to tell yourself that your feels are just as important as those smartypant's thinks and in truth maybe they are, but they're not the same thing, are they?  I don't have a problem with stupid people. I work with stupid people everyday and we usually get along fine. Nobody at the firestation is trying to write a white paper critical of string theory. The problem I have is with stupid people who don't know they're stupid. These are the truly dangerous people who vote for sociopaths and give all sorts of terrible advice.

Just tell me you know how dumb you are so I can relax and feel better, because otherwise I'm afraid you may be a threat to yourself and others.  or don't even tell me. Why should you care if I feel better? Just be honest with yourself. It's not the end of the world. everybody has limitations. You're probably nice to your family and kind to animals. It's not your fault that you can't process information very well, recognize patterns or apply logic to premises to gain a valid conclusion.

It hurts my brain to follow your muddled disorganized thought processes whenever I read your writing. I can do it, but i just don't enjoy it. I have to tell most of my brain to do something else when I do it. it's like watching a Shakespeare performance by a stutterer or listening to a tone deaf person sing.

I'm sure you're good at something, just not at thinking. Find that thing and do it.

[jojo69]

... old and over populated damaged populations will feed cryptos long time.  until numbers retired people canibalise own economy to death.. and usa now it.. thats why they use like war base now. most of produced byznys fly to china before years and japan like expensive country cant compete and will not.. so why they are now with  usa .. ugly japans again

...also after john cocainaCafee tweet about eat own worm if bt will not 500k in ...  chinese work hard last years to get over if trade war happen.. or other problems.. they are not lazy and iq is average 100

...mob-petrodollar and his long hands. and petrodollar junk need more wars.

...this system not work: you have hundreds trillions debt just in last 40 years!..))) from retape holes on that capitalist system ))

...all cryptos is just another super mega ponzi Show  (now in deflation mode becouse only 21mil. is )) .. to replace petrodollar and falling imperium ..in trying make another "domination" ..... in world witch will fight betwen us.. and usa-un mob will soon without power

soory for web glish

   thank you for your analysis, I don't agree with all of it, but that was a great rant

[jojo69]

... I was on there trying to explain bitcoin in 2012 ... you can only imagine how that went.

Actually, I probably read nearly all of that

It has been amusing watching the herd over there go from complete dismissal to a healthy percentage of grudging late adopters.

[Starving_Marvin]

Green day!

Here a nobel price winner/"bubble expert" who says that bitcoin is the perfect example of a bubble because it has an interesting story behind it: https://qz.com/1067557/robert-shiller-wrote-the-book-on-bubbles-he-says-the-best-example-right-now-is-bitcoin/
but doesn't even seem to know what an bitcon is...

[pfrtlpfmpf]

 now you are all boss becouse "somebody" pump up..

WHY you dont tell all people on world - "buy buy  bitcoin it will 4500usd in 2017 "in 2015 when price was 350   .. and put your neck on it..)))  becouse you dont now about "somebody" will pump

question is WHO is "somebody" becouse if you now who is it , you can after predict price or moves.. if no ,,its still like "casino" or ponzi shett : lost or win bet.. and expensive bet now.))))))) for all AVERAGE people. only holders show "muscle" now here on bttalk  ., but is only few thousand people who buy cheap. and not sell before 2017))

if 40% holders  or more people start selling.. they have not liquidity and collaps

without selling/buying  is it just expensive chip ,, its not gold bar wich can not loose or lost in minute..)) can wait for child or grand child while is war and no internet and electr. (all metalls are soo underrated becouse is still cheap labour or places to produce..) in war will go crazy up..

zerohedge really try analyze who is "somebody". and if is every cryptomaniac like tmosley soo Bt will never for normal people.. tmosley is also just on "happy wawe pump upers"

if bt become just superexpensive "casino chip" noobody will care. with casino guarantee of price..))

capitalist and economy fall in japan and south corea soo they are hopeloss and buying cryptos like crazy .. old and over populated damaged populations will feed cryptos long time.  until numbers retired people canibalise own economy to death.. and usa now it.. thats why they use like war base now. most of produced byznys fly to china before years and japan like expensive country cant compete and will not.. so why they are now with  usa .. ugly japans again

96% people on world really dont need get on paycheck 0,2 and but chevygum for 0,00002 and use complicated math and calculator to not loose money somewhere from hundreds  buying while one month. and have charged mobile phone and some mb on internet conn..with cost additional money  for using bt..  just imagine in southasia with 1 bilion average people and infrastructure witch is limited with nature.

also after john cocainaCafee tweet about eat own worm if bt will not 500k in .... i think bitcoin was raped to "tool" for usa deep state for make more dollars from nothing (like wallstreet for decades) for buuy real gold or make gold and other metalls "irelevant" in future time-but primary to fight with russia and chinese who hoarding gold years.. if Bt will cots 500k usd you can easy buy back gold..if some idiot will sell you america)) also this raped bitcoin make more easy out flow money from some countries.. like japan and "sound corea" witch are now scary becouse muusa provoked small country but great people who never will give up to dumb cowboy   And achinese rich people to out flow.
but  chinese work hard last years to get over if trade war happen.. or other problems.. they are not lazy and iq is average 100

brics and other countries  really want now run away from  UN , mob-petrodollar and his long hands. and petrodollar junk need more wars.
look china throw just small rock to "glass house of bitcoin" and price fall  in minutes.. 96% of people on planet really dont neeed  this. they need peace! and stable  times ..

bitcoin make also more free money from nothing.. its like printig money home.. OR one day lambo ,week after bicycle )) really my dear bitciontalkers :  look how economy work . you can not build house in one day.. yes you can make money in one day (over increase bitcoin price) but you need real people one year hard precise working with low wages . for make this "wall street one day tricks" to reality.)) but this system not work: you have hundreds trillions debt just in last 40 years!..))) from retape holes on that capitalist system ))

all cryptos is just another super mega ponzi Show  (now in deflation mode becouse only 21mil. is )) .. to replace petrodollar and falling imperium ..in trying make another "domination" .. thats why chinese start whole crypto byzn...years.. but its can be use against them too..but russia start also soo it can by used against west them too.. or it can end in "few strong bitcoin" in world witch will fight betwen us.. and usa-un mob will soon without power ))) becouse for exemple russia can go over whole western finnancial and trade over it  system if they make some state-coin . if they will need it..  but gold is much better for booth ch and r ))



https://medium.com/@JesseLivermore/dear-crypto-youre-being-played-by-wall-street-35a1117ef859   megarofl.. i just write here for months about it..(and now)  but for people who live in many countries and political systems its CLEAR. like me ))
soory for web glish

Sorry, can´t read all that, but it looks like "Google-Translate" anyway 

[explorer]

Green day!

Here a nobel price winner/"bubble expert" who says that bitcoin is the perfect example of a bubble because it has an interesting story behind it: https://qz.com/1067557/robert-shiller-wrote-the-book-on-bubbles-he-says-the-best-example-right-now-is-bitcoin/
but doesn't even seem to know what an bitcon is...

Bitcoin is a bubble at $1 $32 $250 $1250 $5000.  Will be again at $15000, $40000, and $100000.  Never seems to get old.

[jojo69]

Bitcoin is a bubble at $1 $32 $250 $1250 $5000.  Will be again at $15000, $40000, and $100000.  Never seems to get old.

right?

god, I remember those heady, giddy days of the $32 bubble  

I was like, holy crap, all that electricity was FREEEEE



         edit/ check out this ad   VVV     BMCHAIN.IO   they are literally calling them shitcoins now, lol

[JayJuanGee]

{Edited out]

 

Man, I've to fully agree on jojo69!
It's boring and tiring to read wordy's walls of useless text, I've already asked him at least a "tl;dr"

Yeah, right.  As if you have some kind of deep insight regarding "quality," and someone died and put you in charge?   

but to ignore EVERYTHING wordy writes has been the solution, once I struggle to not putting anybody on ignore list...

Nah, you have not put anyone on ignore when you chose to come off with your passive/aggressive attempts at patronizing.

Wordy, I don't know your reasons, but most part of the time you're a annoying sucker!

Yeah, if you don't understand, and if you read out of context, then of course those kind of half-assed attempts are going to be annoying for you.

Let's not forget the day wordy received what he deserves:

Wot?

Adam is fired??

Firing seems a bit much.

On the other hand, some of his posts (maybe up to 10% of them or so) were getting a bit crazy in terms of spreading fucd in relation to achieving Bitcoin consensus.

Who's gonna make the weekly polls, now?

Maybe the rumor is not true?

Buddy, You have to know that you're stupid, right? I mean you sort of recognize those patient tolerant looks you get from people you know to be smart. Deep down you know you just don't have the cognitive horsepower. You try to tell yourself that your feels are just as important as those smartypant's thinks and in truth maybe they are, but they're not the same thing, are they?  I don't have a problem with stupid people. I work with stupid people everyday and we usually get along fine. Nobody at the firestation is trying to write a white paper critical of string theory. The problem I have is with stupid people who don't know they're stupid. These are the truly dangerous people who vote for sociopaths and give all sorts of terrible advice.

Just tell me you know how dumb you are so I can relax and feel better, because otherwise I'm afraid you may be a threat to yourself and others.  or don't even tell me. Why should you care if I feel better? Just be honest with yourself. It's not the end of the world. everybody has limitations. You're probably nice to your family and kind to animals. It's not your fault that you can't process information very well, recognize patterns or apply logic to premises to gain a valid conclusion.

It hurts my brain to follow your muddled disorganized thought processes whenever I read your writing. I can do it, but i just don't enjoy it. I have to tell most of my brain to do something else when I do it. it's like watching a Shakespeare performance by a stutterer or listening to a tone deaf person sing.

I'm sure you're good at something, just not at thinking. Find that thing and do it.

Let's not forget that BJA disappeared from the thread because he shorted himself into oblivion with his nonsensical big-blocker ranting posts..,. first selling a large portion at $280, then at $380 and then at $580.. , and constantly attempting to get others to follow his lead and to buy into his bitcoin is dead propaganda... so of course, he was going to be bothered by anyone who questioned his ongoing bullshit motives.

[savetherainforest]

Oh?  Is that right?    So if there is a pattern of a poster (whether newbie or not) putting out random posts to attempt to inspire panic selling or talking their books, we should just tolerate that kind of ongoing nonsense and seeming trolling?

Sure, there are not enough hours in the day to call out all of the book talkers, but some of these folks, such as jojo69 - puts out these nonsubstantive posts that attempt to get folks to panic by suggesting that the price is inevitably going down or suggesting that hodlers should sell after the price had already substantially corrected - which nearly a sure-fired means of causing some folks to panic sell and possibly at the bottom or near the bottom.

You know Jay, I have really tried to avoid getting into conflict with you as I think your heart is in the right place and I feel that we largely agree on the big picture.

Could be, except when you have a series of post that seem to be spinning corrections as if they are inevitable and seem to be attempting to persuade folks to sell, so whether that is book talk or not, it comes off as book talk that is attempting to get folks to act. No?

We all know they ("the folks") don't listen to you two knuckleheads.    

They mostly listen to me... Especially when I give my special bat signal of enthusiasm that its going up! up! up! .. or pUmp! pUmp! pUmp! ...  ... they listen to me cuz I give good advice! I'm like the cheerleader that gives you advise and you must do the opposite thing!    (even if I do this on purpose for those who follow me for a long time on this forum)

And you can check my history of proof, everything is time stamp approved!  ... Each time, 15-30 mins after, everything goes b00m!!!


*edit(0):   Even now... its a double, double deception, "talking about Up on purpose, to signal its not" ... ofc.. its going $75 - 125$ a bit down then its going back on track.

[eXpl0sive]

I just stumbled over this 19th century painting:



THE BULL

it was painted 1878 by ...

... this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Hodler

let that sink in. 

edit: wiki art says he was big in...   yep: symbolism...  symbolism ffs

Art style: REALISM ! 

https://www.wikiart.org/en/ferdinand-hodler/the-bull-1878

[nanobtc]

For a good time, google the usernames of those you see here (or anywhere). You'll be surprised to see what else they do.

[jojo69]

For a good time, google the usernames of those you see here (or anywhere). You'll be surprised to see what else they do.

yep, I admit it, I am a flaming antique computer hardware nerd

if anybody has a DFI NFII ULTRA B laying around, I am in the market

[RoomBot]

For a good time, google the usernames of those you see here (or anywhere). You'll be surprised to see what else they do.

Or read a book.

Just sayin.'

[Elwar]

Hey guys, I'm trying to load the charts for Bitfinex but I keep getting a 4404 error.

[mymenace]

Hey guys, I'm trying to load the charts for Bitfinex but I keep getting a 4404 error.

seems fine here

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitfinex/btcusd

[Wekkel]

I see a lot of intelligent exchange of arguments. That means we can't be in a bubble extreme yet  

[Karartma1]

Hey guys, I'm trying to load the charts for Bitfinex but I keep getting a 4404 error.

This was epic 

[aesma]

For a good time, google the usernames of those you see here (or anywhere). You'll be surprised to see what else they do.

yep, I admit it, I am a flaming antique computer hardware nerd

if anybody has a DFI NFII ULTRA B laying around, I am in the market

I used to have one. Or maybe the model over it, can't remember its name. The SLI ?

Can't remember if I sold it or if it's in my collection that is too big for the room. But I ain't selling anyway !